Did Allen Wyatt Get 'Demoted' at Interpreter?

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Dr. Peterson is trying to spin the situation to make it look like you, Dr. Moore, are forcing him to censor and/or ban people:
Sic et Non wrote:I regret the fact, tavs/Charles, that recent comments over at your message board are leading me to escort you to the door.

I don't regret it very much, I'll admit, but I hadn't really been planning on it. However, reading some lines from Dr. Moore convinced me that it would be advisable.

Best wishes.
That isn't the problem, though. The problem is his inability to keep from running his own mouth.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:42 pm
Dr. Peterson is trying to spin the situation to make it look like you, Dr. Moore, are forcing him to censor and/or ban people:
I'm under no illusion that Dan Peterson admires my version of good faith. Nor am I certain that he will comply, even with a few likely overdue ban hammers.

I have been open, patient and forthcoming about this affair. I'd hoped to keep our private terms private, but Dan has forced my hand by taking 9 months of leash and hanging himself with it. He has all but ignored his promise and that doesn't work for me. It never will.

If Dr. Peterson upholds his end of the deal, I will stop agitating about it. No victory laps, I'll just stop talking about it. Simple. If he doesn't, well it just escalates further and further, and who knows what happens when it ends up up on certain doorsteps. I don't want that. No one wins with that.

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Doctor Scratch, once again, I have to apologize for railroading your thread. I think this is a second time, and it's bad forum courtesy on my part. I'll stop here and encourage a return to the thread's primary theme. Further posts about my deal with Dr. P will go on a different thread.

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Funny how Christ didn’t get Dan to be more christlike, but mammon.

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Dr Moore wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:58 pm
Doctor Scratch, once again, I have to apologize for railroading your thread. I think this is a second time, and it's bad forum courtesy on my part. I'll stop here and encourage a return to the thread's primary theme. Further posts about my deal with Dr. P will go on a different thread.
No need to apologize, Dr. Moore, and yet it's funny you should mention the main subject of this thread, since there was a new, "Interpreter"-related post at "Sic et Non." In the post, Jeff Lindsay (Wyatt's replacement?) is praised as being "irreplaceable," but there is no mention at all of Wyatt.
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I highly doubt "tavs" is a member of this forum.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.

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This would appear to be yet another slap in the face to Allen Wyatt. What are the odds that this will ultimately contribute to him leaving the Church?
Yes, but Lindsay has a bio, what does Allen Wyatt have? Short sideburns...... that's about it. There is nothing particularly enamouring about his intellectual achievements other than buying up the websites with the Tanner's names and taking their copyrights away from them. Other than that, just what has he accomplished that's worth writing about?
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:05 pm
This would appear to be yet another slap in the face to Allen Wyatt. What are the odds that this will ultimately contribute to him leaving the Church?
Yes, but Lindsay has a bio, what does Allen Wyatt have? Short sideburns...... that's about it. There is nothing particularly enamouring about his intellectual achievements other than buying up the websites with the Tanner's names and taking their copyrights away from them. Other than that, just what has he accomplished that's worth writing about?
I dunno. Eating 11 pounds of M&Ms isn't "nothing." But that was the thing that Dan Peterson chuckled at approvingly, so there you go.
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It's Friday again! And there was, once again, no mention of Allen Wyatt's service to Interpreter."Sic et Non" did take time out to mention Stephen Smoot and the "Neville-Neville Land" blog. (So I guess Smoot gets two shout-outs, while Wyatt gets zero?)
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I see Matthew Bowen has published yet another article where he decides the Book of Mormon's English text reflects a Hebrew word whose various shades of meaning he then uses to argue how nuanced the English text is—how could Joseph Smith have known that?
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Symmachus wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:01 pm
I see Matthew Bowen has published yet another article where he decides the Book of Mormon's English text reflects a Hebrew word whose various shades of meaning he then uses to argue how nuanced the English text is—how could Joseph Smith have known that?
Certainly not from Deuteronomy, Habakkuk, Genesis, or Numbers.......Joseph, we are assured by apologists, could not have known the Bible.......so........well, there is that thing they call revelation....perhaps something along those lines...... :rolleyes:
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There have been numerous mentions about various postings to the "Interpreter" blog-website, including this latest one from today. None of them have made any mention of Allen Wyatt, whose role--so we've been led to believe--is principal, and yet his hard, completely pro bono work, does not even merit a casual "thank you."
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It seems that, at this point, there are near-daily announcements about postings to the "Mormon Interpreter" blog on "Sic et Non." For example, today there was this one announcing a few frivolous-seeming items. You really have to wonder whether Wyatt played any role in this. Even more so, you have to wonder why his (allegedly completely voluntary) work goes unmentioned. Eventually, you are going to have to wonder by *I*--the B.H. Roberts Chair of Mopologetics Studies--finds more things wrong with the situation that the President of the Interpreter Foundation. How about paying him? Is that something that's set aside out of fears of accusations of "priestcraft"? If so, then the critics have clearly won.
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Is it reasonable to believe at this point that he and Interpreter have parted ways?
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.

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Gadianton wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:45 pm
Is it reasonable to believe at this point that he and Interpreter have parted ways?
No, I don't think so. I believe I saw him surface in the "Comments" at "Sic et Non" recently in order to kiss the proprietor's butt. He seems to be still holding out hope that he'll one day get the respect he deserves.
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There was a decidedly low-key announcement about two new items posted to the "Interpreter" blog on Friday. Do you think Allen Wyatt was mentioned? No? That's right--you are correct. There was no mention at all of Allen Wyatt.
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Did you know? Something new appeared on the "Interpreter" blog today. Do you know what *isn't* new? There was no mention or thanking of Allen Wyatt. It's interesting how Dr. Peterson can maintain a what, hundreds-of-weeks-long streak of mentions of his pet project, but could he maintain that same zeal if it involved thanking the people who've helped him to realize his project?
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Like clockwork, the publishing of a new article on a Friday is de rigueur at "Interpreter," along with the standard-issue announcement on "Sic et Non." This week, the "Interpreter" article is by none other than Dr. Peterson himself. So he spent a fair amount of time plugging his own work (and who peer-reviewed this, I wonder? Midgley and Wyatt?), and yet there was no mention of Allen Wyatt.

I get it. It's hard. They look at these posts and think: "Whatever. Dr. Scratch called Allen 'The Slug' and made fun of him!" That's true: I did that. But I was never Allen's friend (or, at least, I never pretended to be). And I have never made fun of him on the radio, in front of (theoretically) thousands of listeners.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:07 pm
This week, the "Interpreter" article is by none other than Dr. Peterson himself.
I doubt Dr. Peterson had time to track down some of the material mentioned in his footnotes, but here is a link to one of the most alarming parts of his article:

http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/arti ... 3BRc2hKhPY

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No mention whatsoever of Allen Wyatt in this week's (and how many weeks in a row has it been?) announcement:
DCP wrote:Two important reviews appeared today in Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship.
And who oversaw the peer-reviewing of this? Wyatt? Lindsay? Are they comfortable with this level of scrutiny?
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I guess if the first Interpreter takedown of Benjamin E. Park's, Kingdom of Nauvoo: The Rise and Fall of a Religious Empire on the American Frontier was an embarrassment, you simply fire another volley.
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