Proof that Lemmie had an absurd smear campaign. Incel theory debunked. My problem is religion.

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Proof that Lemmie had an absurd smear campaign. Incel theory debunked. My problem is religion.

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The topic is mostly a criticism of Mormonism. Religion really messes up your mind.

I finally understand myself. It was all just my Mormon background. It was all just my Mormonism! I was reading an article (by accident) to contribute to the Pologamy thread in the Terrestrial section and I found
women older than 20 and single are perceived as left overs, by 25, old, by 30 spinsters… As a result, the women become more and more accomplished and therefore more and more intimidating and ultimately not the sweet, young thing the 20-year-old had in mind as the “perfect” LDS girl. Many of the other responses echoed the same ideas. The article on ldsmag.com, “Survey about LDS singles reveals surprising results,” has a full list of the responses.
https://universe.BYU.edu/2015/10/20/rat ... than-men1/

When I said, "18-22 are generally more attractive" Lemmie made a big deal and called me a creep, a pig, and a sexist. She insisted with no evidence that I was reading incel propaganda.

The Chastity Project (a non-LDS channel) has a video called "My partner's sexual past haunts me... What can I do?" confirms my theory that religion really messes up your mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdJIOZuJ72Y

And I blame religion for the overreaction on STI. "Tyrone, a 20-year-old man, put it this way to Twenge for her book, iGen: His generation is having less sex “because of fear of pregnancy and disease.”"
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... sex-216953
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What kind of response do you think posts like this should get, DT? What kind of response are you looking for?

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Gadianton wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 9:50 pm
What kind of response do you think posts like this should get, DT? What kind of response are you looking for?
I honestly don't know. Please forgive me. Some of the things I said were wrong and I am sorry. I am just a sad troll.

However, this topic is mostly a criticism of Mormonism.

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Lemmie doesn't have a smear campaign. She's reacting to your posts like a normal person might reasonably react. Don't blame her. Check yourself.

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Some Schmo wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:13 pm
Lemmie doesn't have a smear campaign. She's reacting to your posts like a normal person might reasonably react. Don't blame her. Check yourself.
EAllusion said that Lemmie misreads things. I never said anything perverted. A creep is someone like Joe Biden.

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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:35 pm
EAllusion said that Lemmie misreads things.
EAllusion has a history with Lemmie which might color his analysis.
I never said anything perverted. A creep is someone like Joe Biden.
Dude... here's a project for you: try looking up the term "self awareness." Internalize it, then report.

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Some Schmo wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:38 pm
EAllusion has a history with Lemmie which might color his analysis.
I never said anything perverted. Lemmie accused me (with no evidence) of reading incel propaganda. She once accused me of being 35 years old, she retracted.

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I suspect if you were to go back and read all of your previous posts as though they were written by someone else, one of two things would happen:

- You'd realize what everyone else sees when they read your typical posts
- You'd empathize with the character you've created here, and be hopelessly ____

Either way, I don't think Lemmie's suspicions are as far fetched as you'd have us believe. The only thing you can do is start posting in a way that instills some doubt, so we could grant you that benefit.

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DT, religion isn't your only problem, sorry. I wish at times I could blame mine on religion also, but it's just not true. It's one factor of many. Also, you aren't a troll, because you are obviously sincere. Whatever you don't like about Lemmie, consider she is one of two or three women at best actively posting on this forum and take that into consideration. As I think I may have told you before, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you like 20-year-olds, or you feel you deserve 20-year-olds, or you think science has proven you can only be happy with a 20-year-old, it's if you can GET a 20-year-old. Can you? If you can, what does it matter what any of us think? If you can't, well, any kind of feedback from women about how you come across could be useful to righting that situation. If a girl rejects you, are you really going to stand there and defend yourself intellectually about how she's wrong? Dating is the one world where "perception = reality" is rock-bottom truth.

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Some Schmo wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:52 pm
The only thing you can do is start posting in a way that instills some doubt, so we could grant you that benefit.
Okay, my age doesn't really matter (Lemmie retracted the 35 year old claim) and I can prove that I do not read incel propaganda. Washington Post, New York Times, and others did an article on incels and I am way way different.

Benefit of what? I never said anything perverted. Please quote me.
Some Schmo wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:52 pm
- You'd realize what everyone else sees when they read your typical posts
And studies prove that people are bad observers.

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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 11:02 pm
Some Schmo wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:52 pm
The only thing you can do is start posting in a way that instills some doubt, so we could grant you that benefit.
Okay, my age doesn't really matter and I can prove that I do not read incel propaganda. Washington Post, New York Times, and others did an article on incels and I am way way different.

Benefit of what?
The benefit of the doubt. Your consistency makes that difficult.
I never said anything perverted. Please quote me.
I mentioned your posting history. Pick something relating to your general view of women.
Some Schmo wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:52 pm
- You'd realize what everyone else sees when they read your typical posts
And studies prove that people are bad observers.
Right. Everyone else is wrong. Your posts are totally disguising what a loving respecter of women you really are. It's just comes down to poor communication skills, I guess.

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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:35 pm
Some Schmo wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:13 pm
Lemmie doesn't have a smear campaign. She's reacting to your posts like a normal person might reasonably react. Don't blame her. Check yourself.
EAllusion said that Lemmie misreads things. I never said anything perverted. A creep is someone like Joe Biden.
He said that Lemmie over-reads things. You should have asked him what he meant by that, by the way.

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Some Schmo wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 11:09 pm
Right. Everyone else is wrong. Your posts are totally disguising what a loving respecter of women you really are. It's just comes down to poor communication skills, I guess.
I said women in general are better than men. When I shared the 45% statistic, the data was much worse for men. I do not disrespect or sexually harass women. Sure everyone could be wrong, people were wrong about Iraq and gays 15 years ago. Studies prove that humans are bad observers, but I understand you don't believe it.

And not everyone here agrees with you!
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 11:17 pm
He said that Lemmie over-reads things. You should have asked him what he meant by that, by the way.
Yes! but in a much earlier post he also said Lemmie misreads things.

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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 11:17 pm
I said women in general are better than men. When I shared the 45% statistic, the data was much worse for men.
It's easy to pay lip service on demand. It doesn't erase the numerous things you've also said.
DoubtingThomas wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 11:17 pm
I do not disrespect or sexually harass women.
Excellent. I hope that's true.
DoubtingThomas wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 11:17 pm
Sure everyone could be wrong, people were wrong about Iraq and gays 15 years ago. Studies prove that humans are bad observers, but I understand you don't believe it.
Oh, I know humans are bad observers. That's what's known as a generalization, for which there are always exceptions.

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Gadianton wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:57 pm
you think science has proven you can only be happy with a 20-year-old, it's if you can GET a 20-year-old. Can you? If you can, what does it matter what any of us think?
Yes, I did go out recently with a 20 year old. I admitted that Mormon Discussions is my punching bag. I do regret it, I am just trying to get it over with and clear my name.

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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 11:18 pm
Jersey Girl wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 11:17 pm
He said that Lemmie over-reads things. You should have asked him what he meant by that, by the way.
Yes! but in a much earlier post he also said Lemmie misreads things.
I didn't see that. Maybe he'll look in here and clarify with a comment.

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Some Schmo wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 11:24 pm
It's easy to pay lip service on demand. It doesn't erase the numerous things you've also said.
I admit some of the things I said were wrong, but I didn't say anything perverted. Perverted is "I am going to make her think I love her so she can give me her virginity". I never said anything even close to that. I do not make sexual jokes towards women or any locker room talk.
Some Schmo wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 11:09 pm
what a loving respecter of women you really are. It's just comes down to poor communication skills, I guess.
I do respect women. I shared the Politico article to prove that I am not the problem.
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Thu May 21, 2020 11:24 pm
Excellent. I hope that's true.
Jesus Christ!

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Gadianton wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:57 pm
If a girl rejects you, are you really going to stand there and defend yourself intellectually about how she's wrong? Dating is the one world where "perception = reality" is rock-bottom truth.
No, I only do it in Mormon Discussions. But you are right, I shouldn't care.

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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 9:31 pm
...insisted with no evidence that I was reading incel propaganda....
you should always ignore, dismiss, and refuse discussion with any person that uses "incel" outside of a joke. The LGBTQ community honestly believes that the Ebonics strategy has merit among educated, literate, or even conscious people.

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subgenius wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 8:23 am
you should always ignore, dismiss, and refuse discussion with any person that uses "incel" outside of a joke.
Are you joking? ; )

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