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EAllusion wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 2:51 pm
Trump doesn't hate the very idea of mail in voting. He voted by mail himself. He thinks, perhaps incorrectly, that more widespread mail-in voting will allow Democrats to have an easier time voting and therefore opposes it because he does not see a democracy that elects someone other than Donald Trump as legitimate. He also has a separate beef with the Post Office because he thinks, or pretends to think, that they have given Amazon a sweetheart deal on shipping rates, which isn't true, and he wants to see Amazon screwed because the owner of Amazon owns a major newspaper that says critical things about him.

In addition to appointing one of his major donors as Postmaster General, there's a purge going on in the post office beneath that. It's unclear how taking it over with loyalist hacks is going to help with the VBM issue, so Trump has that going for him in this case. I mean, what is the Post Office gonna do?
Yes, I am aware of all that. What I should have clarified is that he hates the idea anyone other than himself or Republicans mindlessly loyal to him voting by mail, or making it easier for Democrats and minorities to vote, and I am aware of what his beef with the Post Office is based on.

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subgenius wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 4:00 pm
Gunnar wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:58 pm
One worrisome problem is that Trump hates the USPS and the very idea of mail in voting, and has recently appointed one of his big donors as postmaster general. This does not bode well for the prospect of fair and impartial elections! :mad: :mad
Huh?
1. CFR that Trump hates USPS
2. How does Trump's alleged "hatred" of mail in voting jeopardize fair and impartial elections?

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Hopefully voting by mail is more agreeable to the younger demographics.
If it's not you can just make up names and social security numbers for people. Just make sure you get ACORNs seal of approval before any subsequent challenges in court.

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ajax18 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 7:39 pm
Hopefully voting by mail is more agreeable to the younger demographics.
If it's not you can just make up names and social security numbers for people. Just make sure you get ACORNs seal of approval before any subsequent challenges in court.
No, you can't. The only people known to make up stuff on this subject are the GOP and their naïve following. Millions of Americans have been voting by mail for years. What do you think Absentee ballots are?

Where is the massive fraud?

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I'm someone who has concerns about fraud through voting by mail. Not because there's any evidence that it's occurring now. It's extremely rare, and aside from one recent case of ballot harvesting from Republicans in North Carolina, effectively inconsequential. But it is a system that is vulnerable to being abused. One of the things that keeps in-person fraud in check to the point that it is near non-existent is that it is irrational to try. The penalties for doing so are steep and the benefits of an additional vote are near meaningless. It's just an incredibly dumb risk/benefit decision, and a disturbing number of the rare prosecutions for it seem to involve voters who were just confused. When it comes to vote by mail, there are opportunities to commit fraud at a greater scale to start moving real margins in close elections. It's still risky, and all the evidence we have suggests it it's mostly not happening, but we also haven't faced any systematic efforts to exploit it.

But the question isn't whether there is a technical risk there. The question is whether that risk is worth using it as a means so people who can vote. In the middle of a pandemic where it is unsafe to be in contact with people making in-person voting unnecessarily dangerous and means of getting around that being relatively cumbersome, it seems quite obvious that this is a reasonable fix in the circumstances. Republicans are crying fraud because they are fearful that creating greater voting access will lead to more Democrats voting. It could not be more obvious. Trump, with his habit of making subtext text, has explicitly cited this as the concern. Despite dishonest claims to the contrary, there isn't meaningful fraud occurring right now, and there is ample reason to think people will be meaningfully denied a fair opportunity to vote if someone like mail voting isn't accessible to them. Fear that people will express political will against you is not a valid basis for opposing a voting mechanism. It's immoral and a threat to the foundation of a democratic state.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:00 pm
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Wed May 13, 2020 10:03 am
It's way too early to call. Both Trump and Biden have the ability to blow up at any moment and turn-out will be a factor as always.
Trump blows up every day. He’s impervious to it. His base is impervious to it. The only way he gets the boot is if Millennials and Zoomers actually vote this time.

Good luck with that, by the way. CPT. Where’smypants isn’t exactly inspiring anyone to show up in November. Hopefully voting by mail is more agreeable to the younger demographics.

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It's shaping up as another battle of two losers. We have sexual assaulting Biden v. Epstein's buddy Trump. Whomever raped the least wins.

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Dr Exiled wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 11:22 pm
We have sexual assaulting Biden v. Epstein's buddy Trump. Whomever raped the least wins.
The evidence against Trump's indiscretions is far more substantial than the weak sauce leveled at Biden. This is no contest.

Personally, I don't think it matters. Why should anyone concern themselves with a politician's personal life? We got Trump. It clearly doesn't matter. What matters is competence. I'll take Biden over Trump any day.

When people start moaning about Biden's character, all I can think is, "You're another ____ Trump lemming. Clean up your own house before complaining about anyone else's."

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https://mobile.twitter.com/DisrnNews/st ... to-pile-up

“We're ... in the middle of a pandemic that has cost us more than 85,000 jobs as of today. Lives of millions of people. Millions of people. Millions of jobs. You know, and we're in a position where, you know we just got new unemployment insurance, this morning, uh, numbers — 36.5 million claims since this crisis began."

Man. I think we’re stuck with choosing between a psychopath and, I don’t even know what to call Biden’s mental state right now. This is not good. All I can say is Biden better avoid a live debate with Trump.

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The main, significant difference between Biden and Trump, in terms of competence, is that you can rely on Biden to restore the various branches of government, and choose a better cabinet. That alone is enough.

Besides, Biden's not an obvious asshole like Trump is.

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I can't imagine a time when a VP pick was more important, given the chances Biden wouldn't last his full term, not to mention the division within the Democratic party.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 9:19 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/DisrnNews/st ... to-pile-up

“We're ... in the middle of a pandemic that has cost us more than 85,000 jobs as of today. Lives of millions of people. Millions of people. Millions of jobs. You know, and we're in a position where, you know we just got new unemployment insurance, this morning, uh, numbers — 36.5 million claims since this crisis began."

Man. I think we’re stuck with choosing between a psychopath and, I don’t even know what to call Biden’s mental state right now. This is not good. All I can say is Biden better avoid a live debate with Trump.

- Doc
Cuomo.

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If you guys haven't followed Cuomo's press briefings, you missed this. This was the one time Cuomo ripped into Trump at length. Not reading from a script. His approval rating is at an all time high. He's had national exposure over the past 2 months. He's been showing the nation who he is and what he has the capacity to do every single day all this time. People all over the country and the world have followed him throughout the pandemic and lauded his leadership. He's not without controversy but I think this guy would take down Trump in a New York minute and his party needs to draft him.

Trump says Cuomo should spend less time "complaining." Cuomo responds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NelaVkZRpeY
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One more. Cuomo's inspirational address to the National Guard.

'Kick Coronavirus Ass': Watch Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s Powerful Address to National Guard | NBC New York

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FUcNKuQbF4

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Actually. Now that I think about it. A debate between Trump and Biden would be akin to watching a Seinfeld skit that was written by Larry David on Klonopin. So. You know what? ____ go for it, gentlemen.

Here's Trump raging against dishwashers and lightbulbs at a rally:

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a ... ets-rally/

Good times, good times.

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Some Schmo wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 11:25 am
Evidence against Trump's indiscretions is far more substantial than the weak sauce leveled at Biden. This is no contest.
The difference is that Republicans admire sexual predator traits in Trump and Democrats do not like even a hint of that in Biden. Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar are still in the Democratic wings.

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Jersey Girl wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 7:47 pm
If you guys haven't followed Cuomo's press briefings, you missed this. This was the one time Cuomo ripped into Trump at length. Not reading from a script. His approval rating is at an all time high. He's had national exposure over the past 2 months. He's been showing the nation who he is and what he has the capacity to do every single day all this time. People all over the country and the world have followed him throughout the pandemic and lauded his leadership. He's not without controversy but I think this guy would take down Trump in a New York minute and his party needs to draft him.

Trump says Cuomo should spend less time "complaining." Cuomo responds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NelaVkZRpeY
I had my usual breakfast meeting with the Queen today, and after watching this video we agreed to authorise a snatch operation to acquire Mr Cuomo, transport him to London, and conscript him as Prime Minister. So if you notice that he isn't on your TV any more, that will be what happened.

Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause, but things are getting serious, don'tcha'know.

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Chap wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 2:07 am
Jersey Girl wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 7:47 pm
If you guys haven't followed Cuomo's press briefings, you missed this. This was the one time Cuomo ripped into Trump at length. Not reading from a script. His approval rating is at an all time high. He's had national exposure over the past 2 months. He's been showing the nation who he is and what he has the capacity to do every single day all this time. People all over the country and the world have followed him throughout the pandemic and lauded his leadership. He's not without controversy but I think this guy would take down Trump in a New York minute and his party needs to draft him.

Trump says Cuomo should spend less time "complaining." Cuomo responds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NelaVkZRpeY
I had my usual breakfast meeting with the Queen today, and after watching this video we agreed to authorise a snatch operation to acquire Mr Cuomo, transport him to London, and conscript him as Prime Minister. So if you notice that he isn't on your TV any more, that will be what happened.

Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause, but things are getting serious, don'tcha'know.
Please tell Liz that Jersey says, "You may not!"

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Chap wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 2:07 am
I had my usual breakfast meeting with the Queen today, and after watching this video we agreed to authorise a snatch operation to acquire Mr Cuomo, transport him to London, and conscript him as Prime Minister. So if you notice that he isn't on your TV any more, that will be what happened.

Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause, but things are getting serious, don'tcha'know.
Wow! You regularly breakfast with the Queen? :wink: Lucky lady! How I envy her! She must be a very good judge of character! It's too bad, though, that she is powerless to remove Boris from office. I don't have a much better impression of him than I do of Trump. He does seem to have somewhat less trouble coherently expressing himself than Trump, though.

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moksha wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 7:05 am
Trump holds the lead both in Utah and on the Harkonnen homeworld of Giedi Prime.
Trump is hopefully as close as we get the to Baron Harkonnen. He is perverse, doesn't care about consent, likes em young, he's very unhealthy and he's full of lies. Still, you never know these days...

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It seems to me the major difference between Trump and Boris Johnson is that Johnson is a relatively sharp guy trying to act like an idiot to "relate to the common man." Trump is an idiot trying to act like a relatively sharp guy.

Seriously... just how brain damaged does one need to be to admire Trump for, well, anything? Idiocy is relative, so how stupid do you have to be to consider Trump intelligent?

The gnat is impressed by the size of the slug, I suppose.

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