COVID Deaths are an Undercount

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The only thing we can be certain of is that covid is much deadlier than the seasonal flu.
Covid also has helped produce a lot more poverty and collapsed the word's greatest economy in a way the flu never could have done as well.

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ajax18 wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 7:30 am
Covid also has helped produce a lot more poverty and collapsed the word's greatest economy in a way the flu never could have done as well.
Trump collapsed Obama's strong economy with his incompetence, and that's all you care about. The almost 100,000 deaths so far is blood on every Trump supporter's hands, so no wonder you want to whine about "inflated death counts."

Treating Republicans better than they deserve is going get all of us killed.

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So. My takeaway is this. Conservatives generally think people ought to be personally responsible for their own behavior. This includes a pandemic. Teach people good principles. Let them govern themselves. Those who act responsibly will be fine. Those who don’t made that choice and the consequence is theirs to own. Personal accountability trumps all, no pun intended. Some innocents will die, but that’s just God’s will.

The second order effect that Conservatives like is the economy can keep humming along. Free people associating freely, conducting commerce, making a life for themselves. Cool. Pandemic can’t get us down because, you know, it’s not really killing that many people that matter, ie, producers. A relatively small percentage of people dying is worth it, because the cure is worse than the disease.

The third order effect that Conservatives like is the people being killed by the pandemic are, mostly, drains on resources. 90k+ and counting are almost entirely social security and welfare recipients, medicare and medicaid abusers, the obese, dysgenics, and the weak. Basically we’ve unnaturally extended the lives of useless consumers, and the herd needs culling because we’re balls deep in debt with no exit plan.

This is the messaging they’ve broadcast loud and clear. In November we’ll find out if the country agrees with that message, or if they prefer the alternative as outlined in the Obama’s gameplan that was ignored.

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A more accurate way to compare COVID to the Flu:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... e=Facebook

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Treating Republicans better than they deserve is going get all of us killed.
How exactly would you like to treat people guilty of voting for Trump? Imprisoned? assets seized and redistributed? executed?

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ajax18 wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 10:54 am
Treating Republicans better than they deserve is going get all of us killed.
How exactly would you like to treat people guilty of voting for Trump? Imprisoned? assets seized and redistributed? executed?
Maybe we could start acting like Trumptards and chant "lock him up".

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Maybe we could start acting like Trumptards and chant "lock him up".
Start, haven't you been doing that for 4 years now? Schmo is saying that Republican voters have blood on their hands. Apparently he wants mass executions of people who continue to go to work as a safety measure for all non Trump supporters.

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> Apparently he wants mass executions

aPparEntLy hE WaNTs mAsS eXEcuTioNs!

Jesus ____ Christ. It never ends.

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Icarus wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 7:05 am
https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus-ge ... fLG-6aqZfo

Q: Does today’s case data show how the virus is spreading right now in Georgia?

A: No. Epidemiologists agree that today's counts are a snapshot of what the virus did roughly two weeks ago. It can take a week or more for a person to become infected, show symptoms, get tested and have their results reported to public health officials. Deaths are generally reported to the state quickly, but it can take weeks for an infected person to succumb to the virus.

Q: What does the 7-day average line indicate?

A: This measure makes it easier to see trends in the spread of the virus that can be obscured by unrelated bumps and dips. For instance, Georgia’s daily case counts tend to be lower on the weekends because reporting and testing slows down, not because fewer people are getting sick.

Q: Why do the AJC’s charts look different from DPH's charts?

A: Recently, DPH has added trend charts to their site, “COVID-19 Cases over Time” and “Confirmed COVID Deaths over Time.” In those charts, as new reports come in, DPH allocates them to earlier dates, based on when symptoms developed; tests were taken or reported to the state; or deaths occurred. Those two time-series charts are always going to show a downward trend because of the lag in when the data is reported. On May 1, for example, the chart of cases showed 21 news cases. Now the chart shows more than 600 for that date.

We believe showing running averages of cases and deaths, along with the day's latest data on new infections and deaths, is the most accurate and clear way to show trends over time. Many other organizations use this visualization.This is how the AJC determines our daily count of new, confirmed cases: [Today's cumulative DPH case count] - [Yesterday's cumulative DPH case count] = Today's AJC daily count of new cases. We do the same for deaths.
Good evidence that newspapers aren’t epidemiologists. If the state is testing faster than the disease is spreading, then reporting cases by the date they are reported overstates the rate the disease is spreading.

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ajax18 wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 10:54 am
Treating Republicans better than they deserve is going get all of us killed.
How exactly would you like to treat people guilty of voting for Trump? Imprisoned? assets seized and redistributed? executed?
I'm already doing it. I try to appeal to their sense of shame. The problem is that few of them have one.

We're a society, ajax. That means we don't really have a choice but to treat Republicans better than they deserve. It's baked into the culture.

Doesn't mean we aren't going to pay for it, though. We already are.

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ajax18 wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 12:12 pm
Schmo is saying that Republican voters have blood on their hands. Apparently he wants mass executions of people who continue to go to work as a safety measure for all non Trump supporters.
It's when you say ____ like this that I realize talking to you is as effective as talking to a sloth. They hear only what they are programmed to hear, and not a damn thing else.

Mass executions... Christ, what an imbecile.

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Man who called coronavirus ‘fake crisis’ gets infected, issues warning

https://nypost.com/2020/05/18/florida-m ... -infected/

“I thought it was maybe the government trying something, and it was kind of like they threw it out there to kinda distract us,” Brian Hitchens told WPTV from his hospital bed.

“I’d get up in the morning and pray and trust in God for his protection, and I’d just leave it at that. There were all these masks and gloves. I thought it looks like a hysteria,” he said.

“Many people still think that the Coronavirus is a fake crisis which at one time I did too and not that I thought it wasn’t a real virus going around but at one time I felt that it was blown out of proportion and it wasn’t that serious,” he wrote.

Hitchens said he continued downplaying the pandemic until he began feeling sick and stopped working.

A couple of days later, his wife also began feeling unwell, so she went to a hospital and was told to go under quarantine.

But when the couple’s conditions worsened, Hitchens wrote, they went to Palm Beach Gardens Medical Center.

“They admitted us right away and we both went to ICU. I started feeling better within a few days but my wife got worse to the point where they sedated her and put her on the ventilator,” he said.

“I was never put ventilator and started feeling better feeling stronger never had terrible aches and pains just weak and exhausted,” Hitchens said, adding that his wife remains sedated.

“After 3 weeks I have come to accept that my wife may pass away and the peace I have about it is that I know without a shadow of a doubt that she will be going home to be with the Lord but I also do believe in miracles and I’m holding on to the chance that she may get healed but if not I am thankful for her I know we’ve been married for 8 years,” he said.

He added: “So think about what I wrote and think about if this thing is a fake crisis.

“Looking back I should have wore a mask in the beginning but I didn’t and perhaps I’m paying the price for it now but I know that if it was me that gave it to my wife I know that she forgives me and I know that God forgives me.”

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“Looking back I should have wore a mask in the beginning but I didn’t and perhaps I’m paying the price for it now but I know that if it was me that gave it to my wife I know that she forgives me and I know that God forgives me.”
That's a lot of ____ he apparently knows... like he knew it was a hoax in the first place.

Some people never ____ learn.

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I'm already doing it. I try to appeal to their sense of shame.
By insulting people who don't share your perspective? Do you talk like this IRL? How many converts has that won you? All you're really doing is making enemies. You know that.

I suppose not unrtil you get more reestablished in government bureaucrecy. So many of your kind have been thrown out by President Trump.

You're going to pay for what you did to people like General Flynn.

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[quote]You're going to pay for what you did to people like General Flynn.
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What did Schmo do to "people like Flynn" Ajax? How is he going to pay?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
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ajax18 wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 5:50 pm
I'm already doing it. I try to appeal to their sense of shame.
By insulting people who don't share your perspective?
Yes. Exactly. It works sometimes. Depends on the quality of the insult.

Gotta at least try.
You're going to pay for what you did to people like General Flynn.
To be clear, I'm not trying to change you, specifically. You're a ____ moron (see quoted material). I couldn't care less about your opinion, except to the extent it influences others. I realized you're a lost cause a while ago. I think you come by your stupidity honestly.

These days, I'm just expressing a specific attitude about the country's current situation. I know I'm not alone. The President, before our very eyes, is simply letting thousands of Americans die, all because he's worried about his election chances, and too incompetent to even realize that if he handled it better, he'd improve in the polls. He, like his most ardent supporters, is a ____ idiot.

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Holy crap, this thread is Exhibit A as to why no one can ever give you the benefit of the doubt again ajax. It has been carefully explained to you in excruciating detail why Flynn should be in jail. You're asserted several blatant lies from Brietbart and when refuted, you just revert back to the same dogmatic position that you have to be right no matter what evidence exists to the contrary.

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EAllusion wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 6:43 pm
You're going to pay for what you did to people like General Flynn.
What did Schmo do to "people like Flynn" Ajax? How is he going to pay?
This sounds suspiciously like religious revenge fantasy using god power by proxy.

I've heard it before.

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I suspected this was happening.

Ousted Designer Of Florida’s COVID-19 Dashboard Says She Was Asked To Censor Data

Rebekah Jones said she was dismissed after refusing to “manually change data” to present a favorable picture for the state’s efforts to reopen.

The Florida official in charge of designing and managing the state’s online dashboard of COVID-19 data says she was fired after refusing to censor and “manually change data” in order to present a picture justifying the state’s process of reopening and loosening COVID-19 restrictions.

Rebekah Jones, who led a group of data scientists and public health experts at Florida’s Department of Health, announced her departure in an email to colleagues late Friday, according to Florida Today.

On Monday, Jones told Florida’s CBS12 that her departure, effective May 5, was “not voluntary,” saying she was dismissed after refusing to “manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen.”

Representatives for the state’s Department of Health did not immediately respond to a request for comment Tuesday.

In a statement to the Miami Herald, a spokesperson for Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis confirmed Jones’ departure.

“The Florida COVID-19 Dashboard was created by the Geographic Information System (GIS) team in the Division of Disease Control and Health Protection at the Florida Department of Health,” she said. “Although Rebekah Jones is no longer involved, the GIS team continues to manage and update the Dashboard providing accurate and important information that is publicly accessible.”

In her email Friday, Jones said the management of the dashboard — which initially earned widespread praise for its transparency and accessibility, and has since been replicated by officials in other states — was now under a new team for “reasons beyond my division’s control.”

At several points, she expressed concern about the new team, such as “what data they are now restricting.”

“As a word of caution, I would not expect the new team to continue the same level of accessibility and transparency that I made central to the process during the first two months,” she wrote, according to Florida Today. “After all, my commitment to both is largely (arguably entirely) the reason I am no longer managing it.”

Officials in Georgia, where the state’s rapid reopening has come under much scrutiny, have also faced questions about misrepresenting COVID-19 data.

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