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EAllusion wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:41 pm
He has one rape allegation against him, and while that's harder to judge, it's understandable if you don't side with the person known for taking advantage of women and lying about his sexual improprieties.
Doctor CamNC4Me believes the Clinton accuser, but he doesn't believe Dr. Ford. Tribal politics?
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EAllusion wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:47 pm
That doesn't make him a Trump-level sexual predator
I do agree Trump is likely guilty of sexual assault. I say there is a 98% chance that he is guilty, but it is not 100% because there is no physical evidence. Read the alien story.
http://www.mormonthink.com/witnessesweb.htm

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EAllusion wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:41 pm
it's understandable if you don't side with the person known for taking advantage of women and lying about his sexual improprieties.
Some argue that Joe Biden sexually harassed women.

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subgenius wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:54 pm
I don't recall stating anything about anything being contradictory....do you?
That’s just your senility acting up. ; )

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"Former Clinton adviser calls on Biden to withdraw over assault allegations"
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clinto ... llegations

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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:50 pm
So now I think there is a good chance that Biden is guilty of sexual assult.
Why do you think that? I'm undecided.

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Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:52 pm
DoubtingThomas wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:50 pm
So now I think there is a good chance that Biden is guilty of sexual assult.
Why do you think that? I'm undecided.
I am 55% sure because she did tell her mother, brother, and a friend.

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I don't see the call to Larry King as corroborating sexual assault. It raises different questions but one of those is how allegations should be handled with respect for all parties to seek justice while also preventing them from being fully weaponized as a political tool. Biden was far from my top pick but I don't see him being disqualified by the current state of the evidence.

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DoubtingThomas wrote:I am 55% sure because she did tell her mother, brother, and a friend.
I think I only read one report on this (today or yesterday) and I don't recall it being specific to sexual assault. I thought it was plain old harassment and not the sexual kind? I should have re-read before I asked anything about it.

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honorentheos wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:18 pm
I don't see the call to Larry King as corroborating sexual assault. It raises different questions but one of those is how allegations should be handled with respect for all parties to seek justice while also preventing them from being fully weaponized as a political tool. Biden was far from my top pick but I don't see him being disqualified by the current state of the evidence.
Ftr I don't believe he sexually assaulted her. At all. Maybe a little too handsy for comfort like the other's have said? That I can believe.

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Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:38 pm
I think I only read one report on this (today or yesterday) and I don't recall it being specific to sexual assault. I thought it was plain old harassment and not the sexual kind? I should have re-read before I asked anything about it.
Her friend does remember.

"Reade said she told one of her friends about the alleged 1993 assault around the time she said it happened. That friend, who asked to remain anonymous in part to protect her business interests, spoke with NPR and corroborated Reade's description of the assault and its aftermath."
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/19/83796652 ... allegation

False memory is a possibility.

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honorentheos wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:18 pm
disqualified by the current state of the evidence.
People could get arrested for this.
https://youtu.be/xSSMG0MaEnQ?t=50

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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:08 pm
Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:38 pm
I think I only read one report on this (today or yesterday) and I don't recall it being specific to sexual assault. I thought it was plain old harassment and not the sexual kind? I should have re-read before I asked anything about it.
Her friend does remember.

"Reade said she told one of her friends about the alleged 1993 assault around the time she said it happened. That friend, who asked to remain anonymous in part to protect her business interests, spoke with NPR and corroborated Reade's description of the assault and its aftermath."
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/19/83796652 ... allegation

False memory is a possibility.
Whatever it is, it seems politically motivated by timing and circumstance. The evidence doesn't overcome that. The changing, and extreme ramping up of the claim, seem like a case of weaponizing a serious allegation. Maybe not. But her primary earlier claims would also be consistent with her mother's call to Larry King. In fact, it would seem odd for her mother to call Larry King knowing he had physically assaulted her, and described it as a problem in Washington rather than having an explosive charge about a sitting Senator having essentially raped her daughter in public but.... I don't know. I'm not an advocate for dismissing the claims outright, but neither am I an advocate for treating allegations as presumptive of guilt thus allowing the mere act of alleging something happened to be seriously damaging. We need to be able to deal justly with all parties involved and that requires some degree of restraint when it comes to making judgements. Sanders supporters want to assume she is telling the truth. Trump supporters, too. Biden supporters want to dismiss her. People who don't like Democrats but hate Trump and what he's doing probably see it as a Dem ____ up that could give the election to Trump. But behind all of that are some more serious, person issues not least of which is if Biden didn't do it, it would be a real ____ show and a further decline of our Democratic processes to let it result in his becoming the guy who may or may not have raped someone in the early 90s when he didn't do it. So, politics aside, we as a society should maybe be a bit less politically self-serving about these things. Maybe. Because it results in some really ____ behaviour where up becomes down left, right, and what is good become fungible and a commodity to be used to win at politics.
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:45 pm
honorentheos wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:18 pm
disqualified by the current state of the evidence.
People could get arrested for this.
https://youtu.be/xSSMG0MaEnQ?t=50
For example?

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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:16 pm
I do agree Trump is likely guilty of sexual assault. I say there is a 98% chance that he is guilty, but it is not 100% because there is no physical evidence. Read the alien story.
Wait, are you saying that Trump grabbed some alien by the tubers? I agree with your 98% chance estimate of a Trump extraterrestrial groping.

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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:16 pm
EAllusion wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:47 pm
That doesn't make him a Trump-level sexual predator
I do agree Trump is likely guilty of sexual assault. I say there is a 98% chance that he is guilty, but it is not 100% because there is no physical evidence. Read the alien story.
http://www.mormonthink.com/witnessesweb.htm
physical evidence is 2% of guilt? awesome!

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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:08 pm
Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:38 pm
I think I only read one report on this (today or yesterday) and I don't recall it being specific to sexual assault. I thought it was plain old harassment and not the sexual kind? I should have re-read before I asked anything about it.
Her friend does remember.

"Reade said she told one of her friends about the alleged 1993 assault around the time she said it happened. That friend, who asked to remain anonymous in part to protect her business interests, spoke with NPR and corroborated Reade's description of the assault and its aftermath."
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/19/83796652 ... allegation

False memory is a possibility.
are you quoting the now evasive Larry King episode?

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And Reade's allegation is looking stronger today.

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Well. Democrats are in a pickle, for sure. We had a privileged kid doing questionable stuff as a high schooler and college student. Possible sexual assault based on testimonies, no? Despite his life afterward, us Democrats decided he was to be sacrificed on the altar of hindsight and 2019‘ish mores.

I don’t see any way ahead, but orthopraxy must match orthodoxy, no? Biden has gotta go.

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From USAToday:

Why I'm skeptical about Reade's sexual assault claim against Biden: Ex-prosecutor

If we must blindly accept every allegation of sexual assault, the #MeToo movement is just a hit squad. And it's too important to be no more than that.

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I have the feeling if Tara Reade were accusing a GOPher of this, the Left's skepticism would be nonexistent.

Well. Not the entire Left:

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/30/sara ... en-resign/

“But u called on ⁦@alfranken⁩ to resign w/out the ethics investigation HE asked for??” Silverman tweeted to her millions of followers, along with an article from CNN under the headline that read, “Kirsten Gillibrand on Tara Reade allegation: ‘I support Vice President Biden.'”

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