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I listened to a new interview he did yesterday? Don't hold me to that but I think it was yesterday.

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This interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seu_C08yAAM

He's asking for a search of the National Archives.

ETA: He does address his senate records. He says the documents in question would be stored in the NA. Not in his senate records as the University of Delaware. He explains this at some length.

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I don't understand the freaking out over Biden. Sexual assault is perfectly fine for the President. That's the new standard. ____ anyone complaining about it. That's what America has become.

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This is becoming a "rape of the gaps" argument. It's like the story has been designed to avoid being falsifiable at every turn.
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Reade just suddenly cancelled a scheduled interview with Chris Wallace on FOX.

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Because of the intimate nature of sexual assault, allegations can be difficult to prove aside from the witness testimony of the victim. What casts some doubt on Reade here is that she has changed multiple times in response to contradictory information in a way that seems implausible as just the foibles of human memory.

The attempt at a smear campaign against Blasey-Ford is instructive here. There was an attempt to argue that *her* story kept changing, proving her a liar. Doc even referred to that earlier in the thread in a way that suggests he believes that. But that didn't really happen. It rested on things like Ford saying "early 80's" in one instance and "mid-80's" in another, which isn't a substantive contradiction so much as how people ordinarily talk about the past.

A few of Reade's changes can be written off to that, but the body of them is looking iffy.

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EAllusion wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 7:46 am
What casts some doubt on Reade here is that her has changed multiple times in response to contradictory information in a way that seems implausible as just the foibles of human memory.
It would be far more disturbing if the allegation is completly false. Why? Because at least three people corroborated Tara Reade's account. Jesus Christ!

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Icarus wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 6:39 am
This is becoming a "rape of the gaps" argument. It's like the story has been designed to avoid being falsifiable at every turn.
However, Joe Biden is guilty of sexual harassment and voted for the Iraq War.

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Icarus wrote:
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Reade just suddenly cancelled a scheduled interview with Chris Wallace on FOX.
Human beings are complicated. I do think it is a 50/50 that she is telling the truth. What do you make of the three people that corroborated Tara Reade's account?

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[quote]It would be far more disturbing if the allegation is completly false. Why? Because at least three people corroborated Tara Reade's account. Jesus Christ![/quote]

One person has stated that Tara Reade told her of the assault allegation in the mid-90's. 2 others state that Reade told them a story that is also consistent with the idea that she was harassed by Biden as she was claiming last year and is also consistent with behavior he is publicly known to have engaged in in other instances.

Maybe she coached her witnesses' memory; maybe she's been an inconsistent fabulist for a long time; maybe it actually happened. There's a lot of possibilities here.

None of these witnesses have the capacity to corroborate her account by being secondary witnesses to the alleged event. If you took their testimony at face value, what it would mean is that this allegation isn't a recent invention, which provides some support of her case.

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EAllusion wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 8:22 am
Maybe she coached her witnesses' memory.
It is a possibility. Makes you wonder how common false memory is.
EAllusion wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 8:22 am
what it would mean is that this allegation isn't a recent invention, which provides some support of her case.
But that could be enough evidence for a criminal trial.

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If you mean in Biden's case, then no. He is not subject to criminal trial. If you mean in general, then witness testimony from the alleged victim alone is sufficient to provide enough evidence for a criminal trial. The victim telling other people about the assault doesn't do much to add weight to that testimony if it is recent. If it's happened in the past, then what it tells you is the allegation isn't a recent invention. That is particularly important in high profile accusations against famous people where there would be more incentive to recently invent an allegation. I can see how this can be conflated into a gold-standard of evidence, but it is not.

In other high-profile cases where sexual predation almost certainly occurred, Weinstein, Cosby, Moore, Trump etc., independent corroboration of the stories from people at the time they were alleged to occur is very damning because there are multiple victims without direct contact with one another each with mutually consistent allegations that they told other people about. That indicates a pattern of behavior.

Biden has that against him too, but for low-grade harassing stuff like uncomfortably smelling a woman's hair and such.

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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 8:28 am
Makes you wonder how common false memory is.
You might check out two episodes of the Revisionist History podcast, by Malcolm Gladwell:

Season 3, Episode 3: A Polite Term for Liar

Season 3, Episode 4: Free Brian Williams

The first episode listed gives some introduction to false memory, but the second one dives into the meat of the matter.

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Icarus wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 1:23 pm
Good lord this woman is killing the MeToo movement.

Biden accuser Tara Reade 'not sure' what complaint she claims was filed with Senate says
This comes directly on the heels of Biden's recent interview wherein he essentially welcomed and invited investigation of the allegations in the National Archives where the documentation of such claims and reports would be filed.

Now she comes out with this I don't know what I said stuff.

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Aside from the Reade allegation, a separate allegation that Biden harassed a 14 year old at a 2008 event. It's Christine "I'm not a witch" O'Donnell's niece. She had 6 on the record people to corroborate that she told them of this harassment around the time of the event. Biden was proved to have not been there. So she adjusted the story to it having occurred one year prior at the same event. Biden was proved to have never been there either as he was in Iowa at the time. That's where things stand atm, yet this story got a ton of flash coverage.

The New York Times has already covered Biden sexual assault allegations with greater intensity than Trump's relatively recent rape allegation that exists on top of - oh - a couple dozen women with independent corroboration accusing him of sexual predatory behavior, including the type which he is recorded on tape confessing to. Last I looked, their front page was plastered with stories on this.

2020 is gonna suck some more.

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I'm going to put the odds that there is an allegation against Biden in the waning days of the election that will got extensive coverage in sources like CNN, New York Times, NPR, etc. that will leave little time to disprove if such a thing were even possible at somewhere between highly likely and as statistically certain as the existence of other minds.

As for the odds that Biden-allegations get more coverage in the 2020 election cycle than, say, global warming, put me down for "lol."

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EAllusion wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 2:00 pm
I'm going to put the odds that there is an allegation against Biden in the waning days of the election that will got extensive coverage in sources like CNN, New York Times, NPR, etc. that will leave little time to disprove if such a thing were even possible at somewhere between highly likely and as statistically certain as the existence of other minds.

As for the odds that Biden-allegations get more coverage in the 2020 election cycle than, say, global warming, put me down for "lol."
Like the eleventh hour re-opening of the investigation into Hillary Clinton.

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There are a lot of holes in Reade's story as far as I am concerned. She waited a long time to come forward and added the assault part to her original story. However, Biden is creepy already and may have alzheimer's. Why Biden acted the way he did when he was asked about the Delaware records makes it look like he has something to hide. Perhaps he doesn't want retaliation evidence to come forward and the evidence is in the Delaware records? Reade claims her duties were drastically changed once she complained and there is evidence of her sudden departure from supervising responsibilities. Maybe the assault was added as an exaggeration to get at the retaliation evidence? Does anyone know if she is being advised and by whom?

Anyway, the democrats should look to drafting someone else at the convention. Biden's mental faculties are a question, there is the creepy angle fueled by the latest Reade allegations and now the 14 yr old, not to mention the YouTube videos. Also, Hunter Biden may become an issue again. Why not draft someone without the baggage?

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Which Democrat do you believe lacks "baggage" Dr. Exiled? If it were Bernie, who you seem to like, there's an alternative universe right now where cable media is wall-to-wall coverage of Jane Sanders alleged corruption and Bernie's efforts to cover it up.

The allegation from the (then) 14 year old is quite obviously a lie, yet you consider that a reason for Biden to be too damaged to go forward. But lies are cheap and there's not a person under the sun the Democrats could nominate who cannot also receive the same treatment on whatever topic people think will "stick." Once the hooks are in, they're in.

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Dr Exiled wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 2:18 pm
Why Biden acted the way he did when he was asked about the Delaware records makes it look like he has something to hide. Perhaps he doesn't want retaliation evidence to come forward and the evidence is in the Delaware records?
I don't know why you think that. He said that the National Archives were where the complaint report would have been filed.

Doesn't the investigation need to begin with the documentation of the report?

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