Math is hard for at least three liberals

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I told my wife that I never want to be intubated. She told me she’ll ensure I am if it comes to that. That scares me, tbh.

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EAllusion I was just reading your posts about ventilators logged out, and logged in to comment. If it's any help to you or anyone else, in the last 12 years of her life, my mother was put on a vent at least 3 times if not more. Hard for me to remember the exact number of times because I no longer lived at home during those years and I was either getting the information via a close friend, a relative, or her doctor. Not one time did she come out with cognitive dysfunction, PTSD, or organ damage. That said, I can't say if the vents did further damage to her lungs.

After each recovery, and once she regained her strength, she carried on as usual. She was one of those people who took every challenge in stride. Even at the end stage of her illness, when placed on a vent she could still communicate until she lapsed into a coma. Nothing in her communication (answering yes/no questions or notes she wrote to me) indicated there was anything wrong with her mind. Nothing was "off" even with some sedation going on there. When she was in that lucid state, she wasn't restrained in any way at all. I do recall being there for respiratory therapy where they suck the junk out of your lungs. It didn't look comfortable but it didn't last for only a few minutes.

I don't doubt that there are folks who have PTSD and whatnot from their time on vents. I'm just giving you one example where a person was not damaged in that way.

Vents can be a life saver to get someone over a temporary hump. They can also be something that prolongs the inevitable. We all know that. I'm sure that's why you hear Cuomo saying the longer you stay on it the less likely you are to survive. Those are typically older folks who already have some underlying conditions whose lungs become compromised by the virus and then finally, the damage to already fragile air sacs from the pressure of the vents to the heart, and I guess a cascade of organ failure. I notice they are putting people on the vents now in a prone position to allow the lungs to more easily expand.

What to do? I have really no blessed clue. When I ask myself if I'd want to be intubated, I tell myself that I've already been intubated during surgery. I have no memory of it at all. Woke up with a hoarse voice and that's it. I lean more towards let me give it a shot, give me a chance, and see how it goes. If I tank to the point of no return, then that's the end of the story of me.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:13 am
I told my wife that I never want to be intubated. She told me she’ll ensure I am if it comes to that. That scares me, tbh.

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Have you ever undergone surgery? If so, you've probably already been intubated. If not, I am sure that you know someone who has been intubated.

Because you know me and I have. :-)

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EAllusion what do you think about this in terms of memory. I shared a bit ago that I had hallucinated under proprofol and the thing I hallucinated was a vision of the covid case charts by state. If some part of me could "think" and "see" under sedation, I wonder why I don't remember the shock and like I just said in my last post, I don't remember being intubated during surgery at all either?

Got anything to share on that? Is that luck of the draw? The nature of the specific anesthesia? I'll probably end up asking my geek kid about that, too.

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Elon Musk, the pedo guy, is a bad dude part 76:

https://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/elon-mu ... 1843149917

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Grimes is one of my favorite musical artists, incidentally. The fact that she is in a relationship with Musk is like Shades knowing that Perfume are in a polyamorous relationship with Kim Jung Un. Has nothing to do with the music, but it seems vaguely unfortunate.

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There's been a lot of Musk is a bad dude news inbetween late April and now, but given that he's on twitter today encouraging people to get red-pilled, he's achieved a level of awfulness worthy a one-time thread bump.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:13 am
I told my wife that I never want to be intubated. She told me she’ll ensure I am if it comes to that. That scares me, tbh.

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why? Do you just want to disappear? You won't go to heaven, even if it's real.
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Re: Musk. I’m not quite clear on what he means. Like, does the red pill mean vote Republican because some Democrat pissed him off? Is he trying to horn in on the money the Spaaaaaaaace Force will bring? Last thing I understood he said was something to the effect Jews control the media, which, is true. Is he beefing with Jews now? Enquiring (ha) minds want to know.

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Musk is probably enjoying the ambiguity of it all. He has the socialist red rose right after that, so what fun he must be having. The responses are a massive wave of alt-rightists in celebration mode.

Red-pilling evolved from adopting the misogynistic fake sociology of the early man-o-sphere into adopting a amorphous hodge podge of bigoted beliefs and conspiracy theories associated with the coalition of bigoted movements that is the alt-right. Musk is certainly aware of that. Even if his intent is some sort of cryptic semi-ironic sarcasm - which seems iffy given that he's gotten hard into COVID trutherism in the past few weeks - he ought to know that he's encouraging people to get "red pilled" in the alt-right sense. Encouraging people who will take you seriously to be Ajax is bad even if you have your fingers crossed behind your back.

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So. A nothingburger?

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EAllusion wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 3:39 pm
There's been a lot of Musk is a bad dude news inbetween late April and now, but given that he's on twitter today encouraging people to get red-pilled, he's achieved a level of awfulness worthy a one-time thread bump.
What? That guy is greater than Abraham Lincoln. "Elon Musk Is The Most Important Person Alive Today" - Neil deGrasse Tyson

What red pill? If you are healthy it is very unlikely that the virus sends you to the hospital.

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[quote]So. A nothingburger?

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Eh?

It's not the most important thing happening right now, but a profoundly wealthy person with a cult of personality around him encouraging people to join the alt-right, ironically or not, or signaling ideological kinsmanship with alt-right ideas is a story. Depending on whether it goes from here will determine if the if your reaction should be anything from "What a dick," to "Oh, this is quite bad."

Think about his attempts to spread COVID misinformation. It's bad that Musk went on Joe Rogan's show a week or so ago to spread COVID misinformation. That was a dick move. But if he started (or is?) throwing serious dollars behind amplifying COVID truther themes, that's a different level of concern we should have.

Right now, I'd put the interest-o-meter at "Screw that guy."

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It's not the most important thing happening right now, but a profoundly wealthy person with a cult of personality around him encouraging people to join the alt-right, ironically or not, or signaling ideological kinsmanship with alt-right ideas is a story.
Laci Green took the red pill, is she alt-right?

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[quote]Laci Green took the red pill, is she alt-right?[/quote]

I don't know who Laci Green is, so I can't say. Almost by definition, yes. There is a niche' meaning in ex-Mormon circles of referring to "taking the red pill" as losing belief in Mormonism because the "having the wool pulled from one's eyes" scene resonates in the same way. So if this is a Mormon reference, then it's just a different meaning of the term than it's common meaning Musk is using.

"Getting red-pilled" means adopting alt-right beliefs. Could mean getting into white nationalism, or pseudo-scientific misogyny, or Q-anon conspiracy theories, or all of the above. That's the general direction it's pointing in.

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I don't know who Laci Green is, so I can't say. Almost by definition, yes.
Laci Green is an ex-Mormon atheist and a far left feminist. She did take the red pill, but still considers herself to be a SWJ feminist.
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So if this is a Mormon reference, then it's just a different meaning of the term than it's common meaning Musk is using.
"In May 2017, Green uploaded two videos to her YouTube channel, "TAKING THE RED PILL?",[14] and its follow-up, "Caught between extremes. [Red Pill 2]."[15][note 1] In the first video, Green discussed how she began talking with anti-social justice warrior YouTube personalities on Twitter during her YouTube hiatus, and stated that she planned to launch "a series of live debates with feminists and anti-feminists."[14] She explained that she had gone "down the rabbit hole of anti-social justice warrior videos," and while she found some channels to be "disrespectful," there were others she considered "well-cited" and "reasoned."["

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Laci_Gree ... ed_Pill.22
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"Getting red-pilled" means adopting alt-right beliefs. Could mean getting into white nationalism, or pseudo-scientific misogyny, or Q-anon conspiracy theories, or all of the above. That's the general direction it's pointing in.
Okay. Can you please give me a reference to where Ellon Musk is endorsing alt-right beliefs?
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Okay, I am not a fan of men's rights, but perhaps Musk is just tired of the gender pay gap and other feminists theories?

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Hrm. It looks like Musk, after a quick googlez, has claimed he’s a Moderate. But that was in 2018, and after it was claimed he was a Socialist by someone on his Twitter feed. He’s probably shifting to the right after bickering publicly with Californian Democrats with regard to this shut down. I dunno.

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I'm not going to watch her video DT. If had a conversion to alt-right ideas, which is what red-pilling by definition is, and says she's taken the red pill, then yeah, she's alt-right. She is not a "far left feminist," then, because words have meaning. If, by "taking the red pill" she has some other equivocated meaning, then that should be addressed on its own terms and she should suck at words less. Words evolve - it seems like yesterday that "red pill" referred specifically to the man-o-sphere's fake sociology of gender relations, but "red pill" and "far left feminist" are polar opposites. I have no idea who this person is and don't care to find out at the moment, so I can't say what's going on. It just doesn't matter for what I was saying.

Musk, today, wrote "Take the red pill." If you're following the gossipy news story version of this, it's worth noting that Ivanka Trump enthusiastically supported it and Lilly Wachowski told them to both to go ____ themselves.

That's a straight-up endorsement of taking the red pill. To wit, he said "take the red pill." If he's being ironic, then there's still people who will take it seriously because of his stature. That would almost be even worse because alt-right culture is very much into trying to attract people with softer ideas before pushing towards into more taboo areas, and Musk just pushing people in that direction as a joke would be some real prick stuff. But since he's been on the COVID truther train as of late, which is adjacent to being into alt-right conspiracy mongering, he might just mean it literally.

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Huh. Girl Trump responded:

https://mobile.twitter.com/lilly_wachow ... ce-1294934

Welp. There you go.

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