Math is hard for at least three liberals

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Yeah, the wiki entry needs an overhaul mostly to expand that section. The wiki disambiguation currently is doing that work so that when you search for "red pill" one option is just to send you directly to their man-o-sphere page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_(disambiguation)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manosphere

(The other option is "The Red Pill" which is a movie about the MRA's)

You just picked the wrong article.

That said, while you emphasize that it's the 5th use down, it's the only one even ballpark relates to what Musk could be saying while the others refer to some obscure things. It seems like you want to emphasize its place in the list even though that's by far the most common use on the list, but why? Do you think Musk was referring to easter eggs in Mameo?

If you google taking the red pill, almost all of the hits are either 1) recent news articles explaining alt-right red pilling based on the recent Musk story or 2) a bottomless sea of references to alt-right red pilling.

Sucks if you are an ex-Mormon who wants the term, I guess, but they co-opted it to the point that that's the common parlance.

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Plenty of ex-Mormons still use it as an apt metaphor for unplugging our skulls from those black cable thingies.

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[quote]Plenty of ex-Mormons still use it as an apt metaphor for unplugging our skulls from those black cable thingies.

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I know. That's just a niche use. I wouldn't recommend any former Mormon to go onto the webz and claim they're all for shootin out them red pills, 'cause it's gonna get taken the wrong way. It's got to be put into context.

There still is niche use of the idea in all sorts of ways. It's just that the evolution of the man-o-sphere use into a general alt-right term has become dominant. The co-creator of the Matrix didn't tell Musk and Trump to go ____ themselves in ignorance of how the term has evolved.

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I'm a little confused about your point regarding Musk's use of the red pill and the manosphere and a socialist emoji. He's clearly not anti-woman because he keeps getting involved with them despite some pretty insane relationships and resultant settlements. He's clearly not a socialist because, well, there he is. What's he getting out of trolling Twitter with 'speaking' to the Alt-Right? How can one dovetail the government of California preventing him from opening up his factories and this tweet, is what I'm getting at. The New York Times seems to be fumbling around with the whole thing, too:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/19/tech ... -pill.html

There's a paywall.

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Oh. And one HAS to wonder if the CA Gov's decision to pretty much open it all up TODAY didn't have to do with some influential billionaires taking the red pill, too.

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I'm barely aware that the alt-right and/or man-o-sphere exist(s), and I'm sure I wouldn't know about it at all if it weren't for reading this forum. (Maroon Five and everybody associated with their 2017 "Red Pill Blues" album didn't either, apparently.)

I don't really care who uses the term, and I have a zillion things I care about more than Elon Musk. I did google "red pill." The first entry was a dictionary definition that said, "used to refer to a process by which a person's perspective is dramatically transformed, introducing them to a new and typically disturbing understanding of the true nature of a particular situation." The second is the wikipedia article I cited.

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[quote]I'm a little confused about your point regarding Musk's use of the red pill and the manosphere and a socialist emoji. He's clearly not anti-woman because he keeps getting involved with them despite some pretty insane relationships and resultant settlements.[/quote]

Uh, what? You think that people with misogynist views can't have relationships with women? That's all kinds of wrong. People with misogynist views still have relationships with women.

Red pilling evolved specifically from a supposed realization that it's a women's world based on a sort of pseudo-sociology developed from the pick up artist trend of the aughts in man-o-sphere online discussion. As the alt-right developed from a cross-pollination between man-o-sphere ideas in gamergate, white supremacists, and other assorted bigoted movements, it ended up taking on a looser association to waking up to "politically incorrect" alt-right "truths" about how the world works including all sorts of crazy conspiracy theories. So red pilling can also mean helping people "discover" what Smokey believes rather than its more narrow man-o-sphere sense. It now more loosely points in the general direction of the alt-right. That's approximately what it means, though there is some bleeding between that and conservative politics in general under Trump because Trump is an alt-right hero.

Musk has a twitter account that his highly conversant in nerdy online discourse. There's zero chance, none, that he doesn't know what red pilling ordinarily means in this context. Either that's not what he means and he doesn't care that's how it would be (and was!) taken, or he's sincere.

[quote]He's clearly not a socialist because, well, there he is...[/quote]

I refer you to Grimes comments on socialism :). Maybe he's a socialist, but, like, not in an economic sense.

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I guess what I’m trying to get at is...what was the point of the tweet? What was he hoping to achieve from it?

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EAllusion wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 1:52 pm
Uh, what? You think that people with misogynist views can't have relationships with women?
For you everything is misogynist. You think scientific theories and dating coaches are sexists. Misogyny in many cases is highly subjective. I am no misogynist, I stated many times that women in general are better humans.
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Mon May 18, 2020 4:18 pm
Cause he might find the contrast amusing. So clever. Or it might be the fact that he sort of hangs out in vicinity of the Sanders/alt-light nexus (see our very own DT)
I was planning to vote for Andrew Yang before he dropped out. I am not die-hard fan of Bernie Sanders and I was skeptical of some of his positions.
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Sun May 17, 2020 11:00 pm
seems to miss the point to discuss something he wanted to discuss.
So what else can we talk about? I won't waste my time talking with conservative idiots.

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EAllusion wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 11:00 pm
DT also edited his post that changed the content of what I was responding to
I watched the video a very long time ago, I had some false memory.

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[quote="Doctor CamNC4Me" post_id=1224972 time=1589919345 user_id=3779]
I guess what I’m trying to get at is...what was the point of the tweet? What was he hoping to achieve from it?

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Oh, I have no idea. Musk has been in a semi-melt down for a bit now, and there's a possibility he doesn't know. His twitter responses are now an orgy of alt-rightists celebrating with memes.

Yesterday he posted "cancel cancel culture." Since cancel culture is a pejorative, it almost by definition sucks. It's like saying, "Don't panic." And while things that get routinely described as "cancel culture" is a mixed bag of things I disagree with and don't, you can't help but notice that the alt-right is obsessed with "cancel culture' because they hate the idea of social shunning for expressing bigoted views they like. So that just fanned the flames of the alt-right types responding in glee.

Whatever Musk is doing, the lack of "No, you got it all wrong guys..." takes some options off the table.

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