Most Nakedly Political Move Since Palin

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Most Nakedly Political Move Since Palin

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Trump orders churches back open as "essential services."

If there is anyone in this country who's is stupid enough to believe that Trump cares about people's religious lives and that this isn't about the obvious ____ political message he's trying to send about himself here, you are the very definition of gullible.

That's right, Trump's religious types. Go sit in a pew with your neighbors. Do that essential prayin' you need to do sitting within six feet of acquaintances. God will protect you, because Trump told you to do it... *covers mouth to stifle laugh*

It's not even a good move for the economy. What's the risk to revenue ratio here?

Christ, the President is a moron.

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It seems that Trump's support amongst the religious right is showing significant declines.

This is not at all good for his prospects in November, given how much he relied on them to win the electoral college (but not the popular vote) in 2016.

Hence perhaps his attempts to show himself as 'the man who opened the churches'?

Behind Trump’s demand to reopen churches: Slipping poll numbers and alarm inside his campaign

Trump was counting on widening support from white religious voters this fall. The pandemic is sending his numbers the other way

A sudden shift in support for Donald Trump among religious conservatives is triggering alarm bells inside his reelection campaign, where top aides have long banked on expanding the president’s evangelical base as a key part of their strategy for victory this November.

The anxiety over Trump’s standing with the Christian right surfaced after a pair of surveys by reputable outfits earlier this month found waning confidence in the administration’s coronavirus response among key religious groups, with a staggering decline in the president’s favorability among white evangelicals and white Catholics. Both are crucial constituencies that supported Trump by wide margins in 2016 and could sink his reelection prospects if their turnout shrinks this fall.

The polls paint a bleak picture for Trump, who has counted on broadening his religious support by at least a few percentage points to compensate for weakened appeal with women and suburban populations. One GOP official said the dip in the president’s evangelical support also appeared in internal party polling, but disputed the notion that it had caused panic. Another person close to the campaign described an April survey by the Public Religion Research Institute, which showed a double-digit decline in Trump’s favorability among white evangelicals (-11), white Catholics (-12) and white mainline protestants (-18) from the previous month, as “pretty concerning.”

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Chap wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 8:09 am
It seems that Trump's support amongst the religious right is showing significant declines.

This is not at all good for his prospects in November, given how much he relied on them to win the electoral college (but not the popular vote) in 2016.

Hence perhaps his attempts to show himself as 'the man who opened the churches'?
That's interesting Chap. I hadn't seen that.

So the question becomes, given that his numbers among this demographic are slipping, does reordering churches open help or hurt further? Why are his numbers slipping? If they think he's failing to respond adequately to the pandemic, wouldn't this move make it worse? Or is their beef that churches (and everything else) were closed in the first place? Or is it something else entirely? Guess it depends on the voter.

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Politicians behaving politically- oh my! how we will we ever survive?!?!?

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Trump isn't acting politically, he's acting against the Constitution.

But you don't care about any of that so long as it isn't the black guy doing it.

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Icarus wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 2:36 pm
Trump isn't acting politically, he's acting against the Constitution.

But you don't care about any of that so long as it isn't the black guy doing it.
Oh yay! another white person telling me what real racism is.
But alas -
please explain how "Trump orders churches back open as "essential services." is an action against the Constitution to at least a level sufficient for us to stop considering your post as idiotic.

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*clink* Cheers! *Aaaaah!*

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subgenius wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 12:05 pm
please explain how "Trump orders churches back open as "essential services." is an action against the Constitution to at least a level sufficient for us to stop considering your post as idiotic.
Because he does not have the constitutional power to override State governments in such matters?

10th amendment:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Did I get that right? Unlike the rest of you, I did not learn all this at high school. Please correct me.

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Chap,

90% of us didn’t, either. Maybe 99.9999% if you want to add an inability to correlate information to the real world in addition to not retaining it.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 1:35 pm
Chap,

90% of us didn’t, either. Maybe 99.9999% if you want to add an inability to correlate information to the real world in addition to not retaining it.

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Thanks for the comment. Dr. C.

All my life I have found it useful - often vital - to make myself familiar with the rules governing a body in which I am involved in any significant way - the statute law when applicable, the standing orders of a committee on which I serve, the charter of an incorporated body with which I have to deal, and so on. It's amazing how many people don't: they just go by some vague sense of what they think is reasonable, or of how they would like things to be.

In the UK there is no written constitution. But since you have one in the US (that has advantages and disadvantages), I suggest that every American concerned by the threat posed by Trump should read it pretty damn quick! He certainly hasn't.

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Chap wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 8:09 am
It seems that Trump's support amongst the religious right is showing significant declines.

This is not at all good for his prospects in November, given how much he relied on them to win the electoral college (but not the popular vote) in 2016.

Hence perhaps his attempts to show himself as 'the man who opened the churches'?

Behind Trump’s demand to reopen churches: Slipping poll numbers and alarm inside his campaign

Trump was counting on widening support from white religious voters this fall. The pandemic is sending his numbers the other way

A sudden shift in support for Donald Trump among religious conservatives is triggering alarm bells inside his reelection campaign, where top aides have long banked on expanding the president’s evangelical base as a key part of their strategy for victory this November.

The anxiety over Trump’s standing with the Christian right surfaced after a pair of surveys by reputable outfits earlier this month found waning confidence in the administration’s coronavirus response among key religious groups, with a staggering decline in the president’s favorability among white evangelicals and white Catholics. Both are crucial constituencies that supported Trump by wide margins in 2016 and could sink his reelection prospects if their turnout shrinks this fall.

The polls paint a bleak picture for Trump, who has counted on broadening his religious support by at least a few percentage points to compensate for weakened appeal with women and suburban populations. One GOP official said the dip in the president’s evangelical support also appeared in internal party polling, but disputed the notion that it had caused panic. Another person close to the campaign described an April survey by the Public Religion Research Institute, which showed a double-digit decline in Trump’s favorability among white evangelicals (-11), white Catholics (-12) and white mainline protestants (-18) from the previous month, as “pretty concerning.”
It was blazingly obvious to me from the moment Trump said that what the real motivation behind it was. It was a calculated and desperate attempt to regain the support he perceived he had lost from the strongly religiously inclined. I don't think most of them are dumb enough to fall for it, but I have little doubt that some of them will. I hope the latter group will not be numerous enough to swing the election in his favor!

I don't think Trump even cares if opening the churches the way he wants to do will make the coronavirus pandemic even worse than it now is. He may even be cynically counting on that, and and hoping to turn that into an excuse to declare martial law and postpone the general election, as well as abrogating constitutionally guaranteed freedoms, such as freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly (except for Christian church services, of course) and even, ironically, freedom of religion itself (except, of course, for the religious who are fanatically supportive of Donald J. Trump).
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 1:35 pm
Chap,

90% of us didn’t, either. Maybe 99.9999% if you want to add an inability to correlate information to the real world in addition to not retaining it.

- Doc
Yes, I am often both amazed and dismayed by how many Americans fail to retain even some of the most fundamental things they should have learned in elementary school, let alone the fundamentals of our constitution and how our government is supposed to work. No wonder Trump was able to dupe so many into voting for him!

Upon watching episodes of Are You Smarter than a Fifth Grader I was often astounded by how few of the contestants knew the answers to easy questions that most of the fifth graders on the panel were quite familiar with. I even saw one supposedly well educated, highly successful lawyer who flunked out on the very first and easiest first grade question! There were quite a number of those shows I saw where had I been the contestant, I would have won the million dollar prize, and none of the questions were particularly difficult! I have a home version of the game, and I almost invariably get all the questions right, including the final, million dollar question.
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Chap wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 2:09 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 1:35 pm
Chap,

90% of us didn’t, either. Maybe 99.9999% if you want to add an inability to correlate information to the real world in addition to not retaining it.

- Doc
Thanks for the comment. Dr. C.

All my life I have found it useful - often vital - to make myself familiar with the rules governing a body in which I am involved in any significant way - the statute law when applicable, the standing orders of a committee on which I serve, the charter of an incorporated body with which I have to deal, and so on. It's amazing how many people don't: they just go by some vague sense of what they think is reasonable, or of how they would like things to be.

In the UK there is no written constitution. But since you have one in the US (that has advantages and disadvantages), I suggest that every American concerned by the threat posed by Trump should read it pretty damn quick! He certainly hasn't.
I couldn't agree with you more! I have a copy of the U.S. Constitution downloaded to my computer (it is not all that long), and I refer to it from time to time. I think all Americans should consider themselves duty bound to do the same.

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