The Chosen (Part 1)

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Kishkumen wrote:
Smokey wrote:First of all, Jews are not Semites. Nice fail.


Listen here, you ____ turd.


You little pusillanimous coward.


You are a vile, putrescent piece of excrescence.


Laughing out loud.

Such mature discourse! And it’s my posts you are kvetching about and trying to have removed from this forum? This has been funny, but let’s get back on topic. You should really calm down.
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ANTI-SEMITISM GLOBALLYANTI-SEMITISM IN THE US
Anti-Semitism
The belief or behavior hostile toward Jews just because they are Jewish. It may take the form of religious teachings that proclaim the inferiority of Jews, for instance, or political efforts to isolate, oppress, or otherwise injure them. It may also include prejudiced or stereotyped views about Jews.



Hostility toward Jews dates to ancient times, perhaps to the beginning of Jewish history. From the days of the Bible until the Roman Empire, Jews were criticized and sometimes punished for their efforts to remain a separate social and religious group — one that refused to adopt the values and the way of life of the non-Jewish societies in which it lived.

The rise of Christianity greatly increased hatred of Jews. They became seen not merely as outsiders but as a people who rejected Jesus and crucified him — despite the fact that the Roman authorities ordered and carried out the crucifixion. By the high middle ages (11th-14th centuries), Jews were widely persecuted as barely human "Christ-killers" and "Devils." Forced to live in all-Jewish ghettos, they were accused of poisoning rivers and wells during times of disease. Some were tortured and executed for supposedly abducting and killing Christian children to drink their blood or to use it in baking matzoh — a charge known as the "blood libel." A large number were forced to convert to Christianity to avoid death, torture, or expulsion, though many secretly practiced Judaism after their conversions. (In recent times, the Catholic church and other Christian churches have rejected these anti-Semitic falsehoods.)

In the 18th century, as the influence of Christianity began to lessen during the Enlightenment — which celebrated the rights and possibilities of men and women to a far greater extent than ever before — religiously based hatred of Jewishness gave way to non-religious criticism: Judaism was attacked as an outdated belief that blocked human progress. Jewish separatism was again targeted. As European countries began to take modern shape in the 19th century and national pride grew, Jews, who were still usually deprived of civil rights and lived throughout Europe as outsiders, were subjected to further hostility. This hostility resulted at times in deadly persecution, as in the late-19th century Russian pogroms — violent attacks on Jewish communities with the aid or indifference of the government.

At the same time, in response to the decline of Christian belief and the growing number of Jews beginning to join the mainstream of European society (a trend known as "assimilation"), anti-Semites turned to the new "racial science," an attempt, since discredited, by various scientists and writers to "prove" the supremacy of non-Jewish whites. The opponents of Jews argued that Jewishness was not a religion but a racial category, and that the Jewish "race" was biologically inferior.

The belief in a Jewish race would later become Germany's justification for seeking to kill every Jewish person in lands Germany occupied during World War II, whether the person practiced Judaism or not. In fact, even the children or grandchildren of those who had converted to Christianity were murdered as members of the Jewish race. The Holocaust, as this systematic mass extermination between 1939-1945 is known, resulted in the death of six million Jews — more than a third of the world's Jewish population. While the rise to power of the Nazis (Germany's leaders during World War II) in the 1920s and 1930s involved numerous social and political factors, the views that helped turn anti-Semitism into official government policy included belief in the inborn superiority of "Aryans," or whites; belief that Jews destroyed societies; that Jews secretly worked together to gain control of the world; and that Jews already controlled world finance, business, media, entertainment, and Communism.

In the half-century since World War II, public anti-Semitism has become much less frequent in the Western world. While stereotypes about Jews remain common, Jews face little physical danger. The hatred of Jewishness and the conspiracy beliefs of past eras are for the most part shared only by tiny numbers of those on the fringes of society (although as the World Trade Center and Oklahoma bombings showed, even a handful of extremists can carry out acts of great violence). There are exceptions, of course: disagreement over policy toward the State of Israel has created opportunities in which the expression "Zionist" — support for Israel as the Jewish homeland — is often used as an anti-Semitic code word for "Jew" in mainstream debate. Holocaust denial and other recent re-writings of history — such as the false claim that Jews controlled the Atlantic slave trade — lie about the events of the past in order to make Jews seem underhanded and evil.

More seriously, many nations in Europe and in the former Soviet empire are struggling, mostly due to unsettled or chaotic economic and social conditions, with movements opposing "foreigners" — including recent immigrants and traditional enemies. These movements champion racial or national supremacy, and call for the type of charismatic, authoritarian leader that historically persecuted Jews and other minorities.

But while parts of Europe remain caught up in racial unrest, the Middle East is home to the harshest anti-Semitism in the world today. Nazi-like language is regularly expressed by the media and governments in the countries that oppose Israel and the West. And as dozens and dozens of terrorist incidents have demonstrated, there are many in Middle Eastern countries willing to act on these beliefs.

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The Department of State has used a working definition, along with examples, of anti-Semitism since 2010 (https://2009-2017.state.gov/j/drl/rls/f ... 122352.htm). On May 26, 2016, the 31 member states of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA), of which the United States is a member, adopted a non-legally binding “working definition” of anti-Semitism at its plenary in Bucharest. This definition is consistent with and builds upon the information contained in the 2010 State Department definition. As a member of IHRA, the United States now uses this working definition and has encouraged other governments and international organizations to use it as well.

Bucharest, 26 May 2016

In the spirit of the Stockholm Declaration that states: “With humanity still scarred by …antisemitism and xenophobia the international community shares a solemn responsibility to fight those evils” the committee on Antisemitism and Holocaust Denial called the IHRA Plenary in Budapest 2015 to adopt the following working definition of antisemitism.

On 26 May 2016, the Plenary in Bucharest decided to:

Adopt the following non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism:

“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

To guide IHRA in its work, the following examples may serve as illustrations:

Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.

Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust
Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries).

Criminal acts are antisemitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property – such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries – are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews.

Antisemitic discrimination is the denial to Jews of opportunities or services available to others and is illegal in many countries.
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On the Frontlines of Progressive Anti-Semitism
I am a young, gay, left-wing Jew. Yet I am called an “apartheid-enabler,” a “baby killer” and a “colonial apologist.”

By Blake Flayton
Mr. Flayton is a sophomore at George Washington University.

Nov. 14, 2019

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I have never done 23-and-me, nor have I “ancestry.com’d” myself. It’s never felt necessary. My family’s Eastern European Jewish heritage was something we lived to honor, including in our politics.

Like so many others, my family came to this country escaping discrimination in the Old Country and facing injustice in the New: abusive labor conditions; university quotas; social exclusion when we tried to climb the ladder of the American dream. Given our history in this country — and our involvement in so many social justice movements — it shouldn’t be a surprise that so many young Jews, myself included, can’t imagine being anything other than political progressives. As a gay abortion rights advocate and environmentalist, my place in such circles has always been welcomed and accepted.

Well, until now.

As a sophomore at George Washington University, whose student government last year passed the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions proposal, I now find myself pushed to the fringes of a movement I thought I was at the heart of, marginalized as someone suspicious at best and oppressive at worst. This is because I am a Zionist. It is because I, like 95 percent of American Jews, support Israel.

Before I arrived on campus, I could proudly say that I was both a strong progressive and a Zionist. I didn’t think there was a conflict between those two ideas. In fact, I understood them as being in sync, given that progressives have long championed the liberation movements of downtrodden minorities. I viewed — and still view — the establishment of the state of Israel as a fundamentally just cause: the most persecuted people in human history finally gaining the right of self-determination after centuries of displacement, intimidation, violence and genocide. For me, this remains true even as I oppose the occupation of the West Bank. It is my Zionism that informs my view that the Palestinian people also have the right to their own state.

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But my view is not at all shared by the progressive activist crowd I encountered on campus. They have made it abundantly clear to me and other Jews on campus that any form of Zionism — even my own liberal variant, which criticizes various policies of Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, and seeks a just two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict — is a political nonstarter. For this group at my school, and similar groups on campuses and cities around the country, Zionism itself is, to parrot the Soviet propaganda of several decades ago, racist. And anybody who so dares to utter the words “right to exist” is undeniably a proponent of racism.

Given that almost all American Jews identify as “pro-Israel,” even as the majority of us are also critical of Israeli government policy, this intolerance affects huge numbers of young American Jews. I am one of them.

At many American universities, mine included, it is now normal for student organizations to freely call Israel an imperialist power and an outpost of white colonialism with little pushback or discussion — never mind that more than half of Israel’s population consists of Israeli Jews from the Middle East and North Africa, and that the country boasts a 20 percent Arab minority. The word “apartheid” is thrown around without hesitation. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is repeatedly dragged into discussions ranging anywhere from L.G.B.T.Q. equality (where to mention Israel’s vastly better record on gay rights compared with that of any other country in the Middle East is branded “pinkwashing”), to health care to criminal justice reform.

At a recent political club meeting I attended, Zionism was described by leadership as a “transnational project,” an anti-Semitic trope that characterizes the desire for a Jewish state as a bid for global domination by the Jewish people. The organization went on to say that Zionism should not be “normalized.” Later, when I advised a member to add more Jewish voices to the organization’s leadership as a means of adding more nuance to their platform, I was assured that anti-Zionist Jews were already a part of the club and thus my concerns of anti-Semitism were baseless.

I expected this loophole, as it is all too common across progressive spaces: groups protect themselves against accusations of anti-Semitism by trotting out their anti-Zionist Jewish supporters, despite the fact that such Jews are a tiny fringe of the Jewish community. Such tokenism is seen as unacceptable — and rightfully so — in any other space where a marginalized community feels threatened.

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All of this puts progressive Jews like myself in an extraordinarily difficult position. We often refrain from calling out anti-Semitism on our side for fear of our political bona fides being questioned or, worse, losing friends or being smeared as the things we most revile: racist, white supremacist, colonialist and so on. And that is exactly what happens when we do speak up.

After the Israeli election in April, I spent a week explaining to my classmates that there were plenty of people in Israel who didn’t vote for Mr. Netanyahu’s Likud party, just as there were and are many Americans who oppose President Donald Trump, only to be called an “apartheid-enabler,” a “baby killer” and a “colonial apologist” by my peers in person and on social media.

The next month, on May Day, I eagerly attended a student rally for higher wages for the university’s custodial staff, excitedly carrying a “Fair Wages Now” poster I had made. The rally attracted dozens of students. We all gathered in the quad where we chanted for fair wages, cheered for speakers and booed the names of G.W. executives. Then the organizers of the rally invited speakers from the organizations Jewish Voice for Peace and Students for Justice in Palestine. At first, I applauded these speakers — I figured that although I might disagree with these organizations about Israel, these students have every right to speak on the issue of fair wages for custodial staff.

But as they began to speak, the gathering suddenly transformed from a “fair wages” rally to a “Free Palestine” rally. The speakers railed against the oppression of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, which, according to them, had everything to do with G.W. janitors making less than their fair share. The students saw no reason to decry labor conditions or human rights violations in any other university, city, state, region or country. Reasonable people recognize that conflating the Jews with being money-hungry or cheap is anti-Semitic. How is tying the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to janitors not getting paid enough at an American university any different?

And just last week, a video was posted to a student’s Snapchat story, in which another G.W. student is seen advocating the bombing of Israel, and then proceeding to spew blatantly anti-Semitic profanities about Jews.

This is our new normal. On college campuses and in progressive circles across the country, it does not matter if you strongly oppose the right-wing leadership in Israel; if you are a Zionist, you are seen as the enemy. It does not matter if you think President Trump is a monster for smearing Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib; I have been branded “irredeemably problematic” on G.W.’s campus because of my unwillingness to unconditionally support their politics. It does not matter if you believe in the right of self determination for all people, including Palestinians; if you still feel a connection to the State of Israel as a homeland for the Jewish people, you are on the wrong side of history.

While white supremacists plot to murder Jews across this country, “anti-Zionists” on college campuses seek to marginalize us as white supremacists. Consider the fact that at the University of Virginia — where white supremacists marched through campus shouting “Jews will not replace us!” — it was Jewish students who were barred from joining a minority student coalition to fight white supremacy (that decision is under review). At Benedictine University, a student aligned with the Students for Justice in Palestine group asked a guest speaker who survived the Holocaust to denounce the crimes of Israel against Palestinians, and then left during his speech.

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This month, more than 400 Jewish students walked out of a student government meeting at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, after the Student Senate, by a vote of 29 to 4, approved a resolution of Students for Justice in Palestine that condemned “conflation of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism.” At the meeting, according to Ian Katsnelson, the only Jewish senator, there was a poster that equated supporters of Israel with Nazis.

Then, after the vote, Students for Justice in Palestine touted their victory as sending “a powerful message yesterday to white supremacist forces on campus.” Casting Jews and their allies as white supremacists is call-out culture at its worst: Dare to disagree and you’re denounced as your greatest domestic enemy.

This is the reality of being a politically active Jew on many American college campuses. If you call yourself a Zionist because your family fled to Israel from a Middle Eastern country as a means of survival, you are complicit in ethnic cleansing. If you call yourself a Zionist because your family fled Germany to escape a concentration camp, you are a colonialist. If you call yourself a Zionist because your family made aliyah to Israel because of their religious or spiritual beliefs, you are complicit in apartheid.

Progressives believe that words matter, and that words can soften the ground for violence. We also believe that any politics that excludes, ignores or dehumanizes the voices of minorities is a politics that is dangerous for all of us. Do these activists, who have increasing sway beyond the quad, believe that those same considerations should be granted to Jews? I fear the answer to that question.

Blake Flayton (@blakeflayton) is a sophomore at George Washington University.

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Re: The Chosen (Part 1)

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This person is so scared that you might learn something they have resorted to spamming the board with walls of irrelevant text in hopes of sliding the information about the Bible that I’ve thoughtfully posted here in this thread.

Something tells me we’re on to something here.

So let’s recap:

Smokey wrote:In order to understand any of this we have to ask ourselves: What is the Bible?

The Bible is the most unique history book that we have on Earth.

Before the Book of Mormon, there has not been a book in all of recorded history that has been preserved like the Bible has. The Bible was written by many people through human history and passed down to us through different languages:
Hebrew
Greek
Aramaic
Latin
German
English
While empires rose and fell, the Bible still remains. Jesus said:
Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.


The Bible is a book that gives us a story of creation and takes us through all the ancient ages of mankind, as well as the most important empires that formed our world today:
Babylon
Persia
Greece
Rome

People often say: The Bible is just a myth! It is not to be taken seriously!

To be completely fair, there are some parts that you will have to decide for yourself if they literally happened or not, like was there a talking snake? Did Jesus walk on water? But what can’t be denied is the:

History
Empires
Geography
Wisdom


that is found in the Bible. 

The books of the Bible can be divided into two groups:

Old Testament (Old Covenant)
New Testament (New Covenant)

The Torah, or the Pentateuch, represents the first five books of the Bible:

Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus 
Numbers
Deuteronomy

also known as the 5 Books of Moses.

Moses was a: 

Semite
Hebrew
Israelite
Levite

but he was never a Jew.

Moses existed somewhere around 1500 BC, almost 3500 years ago. Moses gives us the story of Creation given to him by God. It takes us through Mesopotamia to the Fall of Egypt. At this point we move into the Nevi’im or the prophets. The judges and the prophets will take us through Israel to Assyria, to Babylon, Persia, Greece, and give us a detailed prediction of the Roman empire.

The most powerful book about prophecy and history from the Bible is probably the book of Daniel, which isn’t part of the Nevi’im. It’s part of a third group called the Ketuvim, which is mainly made up of poetic books but also includes some historical books as well. Together, these 3 groups form the Tanakh:

Torah (Teachings)
Nevi’im (Prophets)
Ketuvim (Writings)

which we know as the Old Testament. We then have the Apocrypha:

First Esdras
Second Esdras
Tobit
Judith 
Wisdom of Solomon
Baruch
Letter to Jeremiah
First Maccabees
Second Maccabees
Ecclesiasticus

which has been removed from most Bibles, but we will cover that.

The Tanakh warns us about the coming of the Roman Empire:

Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.


and that a New Covenant will come to replace the old one:

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah


The Tanakh warns us that God will send a messenger ahead of Him, warning us that a new covenant is here:

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.


This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.


This messenger would be known as John the Baptist. The Tanakh warns us that a virgin would give birth to a Messiah in a city called Bethlehem:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.


But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.


It warns us that a child would be born, and the government would be on his shoulders:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace


The Tanakh also warns us that the Messiah would be killed for the sake of others and after his death the temple in Jerusalem would be destroyed:

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


You can see how the entire New Testament is grounded in the Hebrew Tanakh and how a book that the Jews claim to believe in is a book they obviously reject. Which is why they wrote the Talmud and Zohar and have their own separate oral traditions.

There are other books based on Jewish mysticism like:

Book of Enoch
Book of Jasher
Book of Jubilees

as well as the Gnostic Gospels:

Nag Hammadi
Gospel of Mary
Gospel of Judas
Gospel of James
Gospel of Philip
Secret Gospel of Mark
Unknown Berlin Gospel

These books have almost no connection to the standard Gospel and were inserted later.

So now that we have answered the question, “What is the Bible” let’s talk about what it says about the Chosen People, starting in Genesis chapter 1.
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Laughing out loud.

Such mature discourse! And it’s my posts you are kvetching about and trying to have removed from this forum? This has been funny, but let’s get back on topic. You should really calm down.


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It is my understanding that many anti-semites like Smokey are also petty criminals, pedophiles, and all around losers. They lack gainful employment and spend their time choking the chicken.

Not surprising really.
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Re: The Chosen (Part 1)

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Philo Sofee wrote:
Smokey
How can a country like the United States, that was founded on the Bible and Christianity,


This is propaganda. It is entirely 100% false all the way down. Studying the Founding Fathers demonstrates this fundamentally. Thomas Jefferson did not, in any likely manner like Christianity nor the Bible, without removing all the miracles first, hence the famous Jefferson Bible. Most of the Founding Fathers were Deists, not Christians. Very precious few liked the Bible as a religious book.


That’s a common myth, Mr. Shirts, and while I’m surprised someone with an appetite for knowledge like yours would subscribe, I can’t blame you for repeating it. I have to ask, have you ever read the Constitution of the United States?
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Smokey wrote:That’s a common myth, Mr. Shirts, and while I’m surprised someone with an appetite for knowledge like yours would subscribe, I can’t blame you for repeating it. I have to ask, have you ever read the Constitution of the United States?


You are a white supremacist piece of filth. You are barely literate. Go post somewhere people of your twisted ilk congregate. NAMBLA maybe?
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(((Kishkumen))) wrote:
You are a white supremacist piece of filth. You are barely literate. Go post somewhere people of your twisted ilk congregate. NAMBLA maybe?


These unhinged personal attacks/emotional posts with disgusting language don’t seem very appropriate considering the rules for this forum. While I’m living in your head rent free, you are welcome to join my ignore list.
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Smokey wrote:These unhinged personal attacks/emotional posts with disgusting language don’t seem very appropriate considering the rules for this forum. While I’m living in your head rent free, you are welcome to join my ignore list.


White supremacist turd. Go away.
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Rules violated by the Angry Professor (who’ve I placed on my ignore list) so far:

UNIVERSAL RULES:

Rule #1: Everyone is welcome. Every opinion is welcome.* Therefore, do not "de-invite" anyone or suggest that they go elsewhere. Please do not do this via e-mail or private message, either.

Rule #4: Do not "derail" threads or otherwise insert commentary that has nothing to do with a thread's opening post.

Rule #9: Do not make threats or take actions to cause another member to feel harassed or fearful for his or her safety "in real life." Please do not do this via e-mail or private message, either.

RULES FOR THE TERRESTRIAL FORUM AND THE SPIRIT PARADISE FORUM:

Rule #1: Keep all communications "Rated PG" to "Rated PG-13" or better.

Rule #2: No blatant or otherwise obvious personal attacks allowed. This includes personal attacks against a person's family members.

Rule #3: Do not use the "F" or "S" words or any of their many variants. Altering the spelling or substituting a symbol for a character does not give you a free pass to disregard this rule.



I wonder if the moderators will take action and enforce these 6 rules.
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Go to another forum with your anti-Semitic filth, you turd.
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This entire thread does not belong in the Terrestrial Forum. It is anti-Semitic and its author is a filthy, lowdown anti-Semitic scumbag.
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There should be no tolerance of anti-semitism in this forum. All anti-semites should keep their filthy anti-Semitic garbage out of here. Only an ignorant moron would believe the garbage Scrotey is posting here. Why is Scrotey an ignorant moron? Why does he have no conscience?
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Anti-semites are losers. Why they hate themselves and have no sense is a mystery behind which there are many causes. Many of them feel weak. Many of them achieve very little. Most of them are fearful of their own shadows. Chronic bed-wetting is a common problem among anti-semites. Romantic failure or the inability to embrace their sexuality are also big factors.
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Many anti-semites have criminal records or engage in petty criminal behavior. Kleptomania is a common problem among anti-semites.
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Here is a recap of my on topic posts here in this thread.

Smokey wrote:Are the Jews God’s “Chosen People?”

This is one of those lies that is so obvious that you can’t believe you didn’t see it in the first place.

The first problem is, you think the Jews are Israel. So you think the Jews are God’s Chosen People. You think you know the story. You think the Old Testament is the “Jewish Bible” and that the New Testament is the “Christian Bible” and you think that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews. You think the Bible is about Jews.

The majority of the people in the Bible are not and never were Jewish!

Some infiltrated Christian sects in the West, known as Christian Zionists, teach that the Jews are God’s Chosen People even though the Bible never says this. This is particularly insidious because when we pick up a Bible or walk into a Sacrament meeting we think we already know the story:

The Jews are God’s Chosen People, We must serve them!


When you actually read the Bible in context, you’ll find a much different story.

In the immortal words of Master Yoda, “You must unlearn what you have learned.”

You have to remove the Zionist lens and the predispositions we were indoctrinated with and study the Bible with fresh eyes.

We are told that the Bible says if we curse the Jews and the state of Israel, we would be cursed and that if we bless the Jews and the state of Israel we would be blessed. Since the creation of the state of Israel, the United States has done nothing but bless the Jews and the state of Israel with money, protection, foreign aid, technology, and access to power. Hollywood - the drug and pedophile capital of the Western world - is admittedly run by Jews. Not coincidentally, Hollywood has played a key role in disconnecting Americans and Europeans from their Christian heritage.

The Jews enjoy the most powerful positions in the United States, controlling the Federal Reserve Bank, sitting on the Supreme Court, and advising every president since the creation of the Federal Reserve. Even this President’s advisor, his son-in-law, is an Orthodox Jew.

So why is it that the United States is so cursed? Why is it that the most powerful country in world history, that has blessed the state of Israel and the Jews more than any other government, is morally, physically, and spiritually bankrupt?

How can a country like the United States, that was founded on the Bible and Christianity, and its people become so disconnected from their cultural foundation — after placing so much trust in the Jews?

Why is it that when Adolf Hitler removed all the Jews in power and in banks, Nazi Germany rose from being completely destitute to the economic powerhouse of the entire world?

Well, what if the Jews aren’t Israel? What if the Jews aren’t God’s Chosen?


Smokey wrote:Let’s remove the Zionist lens and look at the Bible with fresh eyes, and you’ll see the story actually makes a lot of sense.

First we have to examine some Biblical definitions of words so that we can make sense of what the Bible is teaching us. For instance, when the Bible uses the term unicorn your brain pictures a mythical creature that never existed.

While the guys in fedoras are laughing at people who believe in a book that speaks about the unicorns, they don’t realize that they have been fooled.

A unicorn is a one-horned rhinoceros (Rhinoceros Unicornis) and those are very real.

Likewise with the Jews. When you think of the word Jew your brain pictures Israel. You picture God’s Chosen People. The master race. You believe the Bible is about Jews.

So let’s tear this myth apart by using the Bible and striking at the very foundation of what we call Judaism.


Smokey wrote:Now we are going to begin by explaining the difference between a Semite, Hebrew, Israelite, and Jew because they are not the same thing. Your first clue is the name Israel.

Why did the Jews name their land Israel when 2,000 years ago their land was called Judea? Israel was the kingdom north of them, ruled by their brothers who they were at war with.

“And when Rehaboam was come to Jerusalem he assembled all the house of Judah, with the tribe of Benjamin, and hundred and fourscore thousand chosen men, which were warriors, to fight against the house of Israel, to bring the kingdom again to Rehomoam the son of Solomon. (1 Kings 12:21)

Why did the Jews rename their country after their brother and enemy? Why didn’t they rename Palestine Judea like it was before?

I think it is because that would remove a critical layer of their deception.

It would reveal that the Bible isn’t really about them.

In this thread, I am going to set out to prove to you that the Jews are not “God’s chosen people” and that they have not only taken over our banks, media, politics, schools, and control our economies, they have stolen our culture and our God and have conditioned us to hate Him. Understand that this hatred of Christ is going to play a key role in this story.

The last time that the Jews were in control of Palestine, was during the rise of Christianity and the land was called Judea, named after the father of the Jews, Judah.

It hasn’t been called Israel since 800 years berfore the Romans destroyed Judea and Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Now some followers of Judaism claim to believe in the Old Testament, however they have secondary books like the Talmud that tells them how they are supposed to follow the Old Testament. Talmudic Jews are descendants of the same Jews that crucified Jesus Christ, the Pharisees.

Talmudic Judaism can also be called Pharisaic Judaism, and Jesus warns us about them:

“Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.”
Luke 12: 1-2

While some Jews claim to believe in the Old Testament, most of the people in the Bible were never Jewish to begin with. So what’s the difference between a Semite, Hebrew, Israelite and Jew?

We’re going to begin answering that by being called an anti-Semite. That’s what they always call you for criticizing the Jews. It is socially unacceptable to criticize Jews. Right away, this term doesn’t make any sense though. A Semite is someone descended from Shem.


Noah
^
Shem
^
Semites

Shem was the son of Noah, who we know built an Ark after the great flood in Mesopotamia and offered the Lord a Holocaust.

Shem’s descendants, the Semites, were the people who populated and dominated the region known as the Fertile Crescent. The birthplace of civilization. This is where recorded history really begins.

Now you can see why the “boring” Genealogies of the Bible are extremely important. If you are reading the Bible for the first time, I don’t blame you for skipping them. It can be hard to read, but after you are finished you are going to have some questions and this is where you should look. Some of these answers can only be found in the Genealogies


Smokey wrote:It all begins with Adam.

Now modern Christianity teaches that Adam was the first man and that all mankind is related to him, and that we are all born from serious incest. However, with modern DNA science, we know this is impossible. Two blonde, blue-eyed Caucasian people cannot produce a pure African child. Pure Africans cannot produce a pure Asian child, etc.

In our world, we have two types of genes. Recessive and dominant. In the Bible, we actually have two creation stories and two starting points for mankind. The Bible doesn’t teach the popular fedora straw man: The Earth is 6,000 years old.

You’ll notice the Jews say this according to their Calendar, as well as Freemasons. The Jews have their own year system and Freemasons use a similar year system. It’s usually marked A.L on their Freemason certificates.

Now I find that as a general rule, it is better to do the exact opposite of what these two groups tell you. They are known particularly for lying, and all took oaths to keep secrets among themselves. But I digress.

The Bible simply says that a man named Adam came into the world 6,000 years ago and broke the first law given to mankind.

And what do we find?

Exactly 6,000 years ago in the place where the Bible places Adam, we have knowledge coming into the world when mankind transcended the age of pottery and hunt/gathering, known as the Ubaid Period, and entered the Uruk period. The Uruk period marks the beginning of agriculture, metal crafting, religion, science, and the idea of life after death.

In order to understand any of this we have to ask ourselves just what is the Bible?


Smokey wrote:In order to understand any of this we have to ask ourselves: What is the Bible?

The Bible is the most unique history book that we have on Earth.

Before the Book of Mormon, there has not been a book in all of recorded history that has been preserved like the Bible has. The Bible was written by many people through human history and passed down to us through different languages:
Hebrew
Greek
Aramaic
Latin
German
English
While empires rose and fell, the Bible still remains. Jesus said:
Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.


The Bible is a book that gives us a story of creation and takes us through all the ancient ages of mankind, as well as the most important empires that formed our world today:
Babylon
Persia
Greece
Rome

People often say: The Bible is just a myth! It is not to be taken seriously!

To be completely fair, there are some parts that you will have to decide for yourself if they literally happened or not, like was there a talking snake? Did Jesus walk on water? But what can’t be denied is the:

History
Empires
Geography
Wisdom


that is found in the Bible. 

The books of the Bible can be divided into two groups:

Old Testament (Old Covenant)
New Testament (New Covenant)

The Torah, or the Pentateuch, represents the first five books of the Bible:

Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus 
Numbers
Deuteronomy

also known as the 5 Books of Moses.

Moses was a: 

Semite
Hebrew
Israelite
Levite

but he was never a Jew.

Moses existed somewhere around 1500 BC, almost 3500 years ago. Moses gives us the story of Creation given to him by God. It takes us through Mesopotamia to the Fall of Egypt. At this point we move into the Nevi’im or the prophets. The judges and the prophets will take us through Israel to Assyria, to Babylon, Persia, Greece, and give us a detailed prediction of the Roman empire.

The most powerful book about prophecy and history from the Bible is probably the book of Daniel, which isn’t part of the Nevi’im. It’s part of a third group called the Ketuvim, which is mainly made up of poetic books but also includes some historical books as well. Together, these 3 groups form the Tanakh:

Torah (Teachings)
Nevi’im (Prophets)
Ketuvim (Writings)

which we know as the Old Testament. We then have the Apocrypha:

First Esdras
Second Esdras
Tobit
Judith 
Wisdom of Solomon
Baruch
Letter to Jeremiah
First Maccabees
Second Maccabees
Ecclesiasticus

which has been removed from most Bibles, but we will cover that.

The Tanakh warns us about the coming of the Roman Empire:

Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.


and that a New Covenant will come to replace the old one:

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah


The Tanakh warns us that God will send a messenger ahead of Him, warning us that a new covenant is here:

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.


This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.


This messenger would be known as John the Baptist. The Tanakh warns us that a virgin would give birth to a Messiah in a city called Bethlehem:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.


But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.


It warns us that a child would be born, and the government would be on his shoulders:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace


The Tanakh also warns us that the Messiah would be killed for the sake of others and after his death the temple in Jerusalem would be destroyed:

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


You can see how the entire New Testament is grounded in the Hebrew Tanakh and how a book that the Jews claim to believe in is a book they obviously reject. Which is why they wrote the Talmud and Zohar and have their own separate oral traditions.

There are other books based on Jewish mysticism like:

Book of Enoch
Book of Jasher
Book of Jubilees

as well as the Gnostic Gospels:

Nag Hammadi
Gospel of Mary
Gospel of Judas
Gospel of James
Gospel of Philip
Secret Gospel of Mark
Unknown Berlin Gospel

These books have almost no connection to the standard Gospel and were inserted later.

So now that we have answered the question, “What is the Bible” let’s talk about what it says about the Chosen People, starting in Genesis chapter 1.


As you can see, the weasel-word label “anti-Semite” is completely baseless and this thread, posted in good faith, belongs in this forum.

By the way, LOL at the word *weasel* autocorrecting to mentalgymnast!
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Anti-semites will use the rules in a perverted way to shut down those who decry their hatred of Jews. It is the responsibility of all right-thinking people to shut down anti-semites and deny them their misuse of community rules to spread their lies and quell criticism. The anti-Semite breaks the most important rule of acknowledging the rights of Jews to exist and enjoy the full range of their civil rights like all other free people.
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Anti-Semites will fight Judaism, mincing words and weaseling on through technicalities, all the while claiming not to be anti-Semitic. Do not be fooled. The first lines of the first post on this thread were clearly anti-Semitic. Their author is an anti-Semite and a white supremacist. This thread does not belong in the Terrestrial Forum.
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Anti-semites use phrases like “Zionist lens.”
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