Mister Scratch, a word with you please

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Mister Scratch, a word with you please

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Mister Scratch,

ZLMB was recently hit with an influx of "new" posters protesting your blog material. According to them it is wrong for you to post the real names of certain posters in your blog.

Your comments?

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I see no actuall real names on his blog.
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coffeecat wrote:I see no actuall real names on his blog.


There are several actual real names on his blog, all of which the posters themselves either use as their posting names or have publically given out at various times.

For example, Daniel C Peterson, Ph.D., William Hamblin, Ph.D., Allen Wyatt, William Schryver, Kevin C Hill, Kevin Barney, Kevin Christiansen, Ben McGuire, David Waltz and several others have all used their real names on the internet on various boards. If they've used their names in the past, they are fair game on the boards now. However, if a poster has consistently used a nickname, posting their real name is considered bad form and is cause for banning on some boards.

[edited to remove names per Mr Scratch's example]
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Smac posted a comment (which I deleted---more on this later) on the blog in which he accused me of being a hypocrite for criticizing Bill Hamblin's posting of CKSalmon's IRL identity, despite the fact that I have the real names of people on the blog. Those whose real names are mentioned include: Pahoran; juliann; DCP; Hamblin; John Lynch; and Will Schryver. The only one that really merits much further debate is Pahoran (and perhaps juliann). All of the other people post using the names exactly as they are listed on the blog. As for Pahoran, I will happily remove his real name if he wants me to. As for juliann, I will remove that too, if she so desires, though I hardly think it's a secret who she is. Her repeated mentions of her attendance at CGU make it very, very easy to determine her IRL identity.

As for the accusation leveled by Smac, I do feel that he makes a good point, and as I've said, if either Pahoran or juliann want me to take out their full names, I will gladly do so. No questions asked.

RE: the deletion of the comment, my feeling on this is that the blog is still in its infancy, and I'm still trying to decide what to do with the comments. I felt that Smac's comment didn't really contribute to the two chief functions of the blog: to inform, and to entertain. So, for the time being, I will let comments stand for a bit, and then either integrate them into the blog or delete them.

Finally, what gives with these people on ZLMB? Don't they know that they are more than welcome to come on over here and discuss?

Anyhow, thank you for the "heads up," Jersey Girl.

Edited to add: As a gesture of good will, I have gone ahead and removed the juliann and Pahoran stuff. Really: the blog is intended to be informative and entertaining. If anyone has major problems with it, and is really upset, I want s/he to know that I'm all ears, and will be happy to discuss.

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So what's up with the self-censorship before I ever had a chance to read it? Taking out their two most voracious attackers from the mix will only lead to a watered down compendium when it is finished. Most people who have ever posted anything controversial will have been attacked by this duo, so eliminating them seems wrong - as wrong as FAIR eliminating those who they disagree with. Can't you take that analogy and use it for justification for reinserting their profiles?

Can you guess I am feeling hurt by being eliminated by them?
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moksha wrote:So what's up with the self-censorship before I ever had a chance to read it? Taking out their two most voracious attackers from the mix will only lead to a watered down compendium when it is finished. Most people who have ever posted anything controversial will have been attacked by this duo, so eliminating them seems wrong - as wrong as FAIR eliminating those who they disagree with. Can't you take that analogy and use it for justification for reinserting their profiles?

Can you guess I am feeling hurt by being eliminated by them?


No, no! The profiles are still there, Moksha. : ) Click on the "back" portion of the blog in order to read them. (I wonder if there is a way to tinker with the blog to make it easier to access all of the dossiers. I am still rather new to bloggin.) for what it's worth, I would never, ever eliminate the dossiers of juliann and Pahoran from the Guide: they are too crucial to understanding FAIR. All I did was eliminate mention of their IRL names, since that was clearly upsetting some people. But the profiles themselves are still there. Enjoy!


by the way: that was pretty low of them to ban you, of all people, Moksha. Their loss is obviously
our gain.

Edited to add: Another way to access the full range of the blog is to click on the "weblog news" link at the top of the page. From there, scroll down below the "latest entries" section to see that there are four pages' worth of material.

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Mister Scratch wrote:Smac posted a comment (which I deleted---more on this later) on the blog in which he accused me of being a hypocrite for criticizing Bill Hamblin's posting of CKSalmon's IRL identity, despite the fact that I have the real names of people on the blog.


Goodnightshirt. Smac posted here? Can Armageddon be far behind?

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Thanks Scratch, I found them and read them and now I understand some of the folks there better. There are many others I have wondered about as well: Brent Metcalf, Rollo Tomasi, Kevin Graham, Paul Osbourn, David Bokovoy (sorry for any misspelled names), Wade Englund, Scott Lloyd and others.
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moksha wrote:Thanks Scratch, I found them and read them and now I understand some of the folks there better. There are many others I have wondered about as well: Brent Metcalf, Rollo Tomasi, Kevin Graham, Paul Osbourn, David Bokovoy (sorry for any misspelled names), Wade Englund, Scott Lloyd and others.


No problem, Moksha. I will get to these people eventually. The blog, after all, is a work in progress! A few of these posters have been banned from the ironically named FAIRboard, however, and I haven't yet decided how I am going to treat that. But Rollo and Kevin are indispensible in terms of getting a holistic picture of FAIR, though, so you can guarantee that they (along with everyone else you mentioned) will eventually get dossiers.

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Mister Scratch asks: Finally, what gives with these people on ZLMB? Don't they know that they are more than welcome to come on over here and discuss?


Jersey Girl: I don't know what gives with them...I checked there and there are now more "new" posters there. Also, what looks like a mod...but I don't think it's a mod posting on the same thread. Don't ask me what it's about!

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Jersey Girl wrote:Mister Scratch asks: Finally, what gives with these people on ZLMB? Don't they know that they are more than welcome to come on over here and discuss?


Jersey Girl: I don't know what gives with them...I checked there and there are now more "new" posters there. Also, what looks like a mod...but I don't think it's a mod posting on the same thread. Don't ask me what it's about!


Yeah. I have been following that thread. Really, I see no reason why those folks feel that they can't come over here an discuss. Perhaps I'll register at Z in order to answer their "charges."

Honestly, I have to wonder why they are so bent out of shape. So what if there is a blog chronicling the world of FAIR? FAIR says, quite explicitly, that it is in the business of defending Mormonism. So what does is say to the world when FAIR feels that it cannot even defend itself?

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Mister Scratch wrote:(I wonder if there is a way to tinker with the blog to make it easier to access all of the dossiers. I am still rather new to bloggin.)


I asked Keene if he could install a mod or something which would list "archives" to the right of the blog, sort of like you see at Samuel the Utahnite's blog at http://mormontruth.blogspot.com. I, too, would like it to be obvious to all readers that there's more material there than just what they see on the opening page.

A few of these posters have been banned from the ironically named FAIRboard, however, and I haven't yet decided how I am going to treat that.


I am going to start a blog soon documenting all the people who have been banned from FAIR and the backstories thereunto.

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:(I wonder if there is a way to tinker with the blog to make it easier to access all of the dossiers. I am still rather new to bloggin.)


I asked Keene if he could install a mod or something which would list "archives" to the right of the blog, sort of like you see at Samuel the Utahnite's blog at http://mormontruth.blogspot.com. I, too, would like it to be obvious to all readers that there's more material there than just what they see on the opening page.


I'm working on it. I think it has to do with the default template. I'll be throwing some other templates up soon and hopefully those templates will have the features.

As a reminder, donators to the site get their pick of template, or an "advanced" blog which allows them to edit the HTML manually (ala livejournal).

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I always thought that once some one's real name was posted anywhere it became a matter of public record.

So if these real names you were using were ever posted anywhere else before you put them on your blog you have every rightl legally if you choose to use their real names.

If you removed them to be nice that is cool
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Mister Scratch wrote:As for Pahoran, I will happily remove his real name if he wants me to.

Pahoran (aka _____) has revealed/used his real name for years, and he is well known by his real name.

As for juliann, I will remove that too, if she so desires, though I hardly think it's a secret who she is.

Juliann (aka Juliann Reynolds) has also made no secret of her real name, and loves to promote her real name as a FAIR founder.

As for the accusation leveled by Smac ...

Even Smac (aka Spencer MacDonald) has proudly proclaimed his real name on FAIR, usually in castigating others who use a moniker.

All of the above three, for years, have ridiculed anyone who refuses to disclose his/her real identity. Yet, now, they gripe about their own names. You did nothing wrong, Mr. Scratch, each of the three have boastfully used their real names to attack anyone who disagrees with them. Ergo, their real names are fair game, because they made them an issue.
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Rollo Tomasi wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:As for Pahoran, I will happily remove his real name if he wants me to.

Pahoran (aka _____) has revealed/used his real name for years, and he is well known by his real name.

As for juliann, I will remove that too, if she so desires, though I hardly think it's a secret who she is.

Juliann (aka Juliann Reynolds) has also made no secret of her real name, and loves to promote her real name as a FAIR founder.

As for the accusation leveled by Smac ...

Even Smac (aka Spencer MacDonald) has proudly proclaimed his real name on FAIR, usually in castigating others who use a moniker.

All of the above three, for years, have ridiculed anyone who refuses to disclose his/her real identity. Yet, now, they gripe about their own names. You did nothing wrong, Mr. Scratch, each of the three have boastfully used their real names to attack anyone who disagrees with them. Ergo, their real names are fair game, because they made them an issue.


Well spoken, from the agent of anonymity.

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Plutarch wrote:Well spoken, from the agent of anonymity.

Thanks, Bob.
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Rollo Tomasi wrote:
Plutarch wrote:Well spoken, from the agent of anonymity.

Thanks, Bob.


Who's Bob?

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Plutarch wrote:
Rollo Tomasi wrote:
Plutarch wrote:Well spoken, from the agent of anonymity.

Thanks, Bob.


Who's Bob?

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Robert "Bob" Crockett.
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The problem with using real names is that it can subject the user to harassment and other harms from nut-cases on the Internet (no, I am talking about those nut-cases other than myself). We all share some responsibility to make sure that does not happen. Look at the backlash some of us have recently faced from FAIR as an example of peoples will toward punishment and retribution. Theological purity can be a powerful motivating factor that can help to override compassion and caring for some folks.
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True but still legal, if that is what Mr. Scratch is worried about.
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