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I have to say, it's about damned time:
Sic et Non wrote:My wife and I have just returned from a private showing of the latest director’s cut of the Interpreter Foundation’s Witnesses theatrical film, at the home of its producer. The director and the other principal member of the project’s cinematographic inner circle were also there.

I was very pleased. Plainly the film has profited from the discussions and comments that followed its prior screenings. Some things have been cut, some things have been added, and, overall, I think the narrative flow is much improved.
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Nice to see him being honest for once. First: I hope they that took appropriate pandemic-related safety measures. Their track record on that subject has been pretty shaky, unfortunately. Still, Dr. Peterson's comments here are kind of vague. What's been "cut"? The image of that battery pack clipped to the back of the actor's pants? Have they cut that scene where the young Joseph Smith smacks his pursuer with the Gold Plates? Who knows!

Whatever the case may be, I'm glad that Prof. P. feels that "the narrative flow is much improved." You're welcome. But, of course, we will all have to see for ourselves how the thing has turned out. You get the sense from his post (especially this line: "but we are now beginning to turn our serious attention to the next phase of the overall effort, the documentary") that he's in a hurry to move on from the anxieties that the narrative film has caused him. I guess that I don't blame him. I do think they did their best, but the proof, as they say, will be in the pudding. And they still have not released an "official" trailer. Time to move on to the documentary--just like the man said.
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Wonder if any adjustments should be made in light of the latest Shannon Montez podcast on Mormon Stories? Even though many anti-Mormons have pledged themselves as allies with Rosebud, they would be remiss in not watching that part 4 episode with Ms Montez, since it contains so much information.
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My take is that only a modest number of scenes were shot showing the sequence of events for this film- for example, maybe a scene of Joseph Smith being told there are gold plates in them thar hill; digging up the plates and Joseph Smith running through the woods with a sack of plates; early activities with the plates among mom and dad , the brothers and neighbors; hiding the plates in the woods and a barrel; Joseph Smith with the 3 witnesses; Joseph Smith with the 8 witnesses; some background on a few of the witnesses especially martin harris ( of Jesus is a deer fame).

now the second part will be "scholars" probably all Mormon maybe a few non believers(i would love for them to discuss this with DV ), being asked specific questions like "would you comment on the honesty of the 3 witnesses"?

they could show the short scenes and intersperse them with scholarly comments, then conclude it is all true!

can this movie be more than 30 minutes without boring the hell out of viewers.

dan - how was popcorn at your executive director preview? plenty of butter and salt i bet!

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kairos wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:55 am
. . . now the second part will be "scholars" probably all Mormon maybe a few non believers(i would love for them to discuss this with DV ),
Why would you want them to discuss it with domestic violence? That sounds very counter-productive.

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Think about how many posts Dr. Peterson had to do in response to criticism on this board. Just recall how *incensed* he was over the fact that we'd spotted that wireless mic pack! LOL!

Well, hey--(ahem)--let's move on to the documentary.
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That mic had some glare, that's for sure. Really distracting. But I'll bet it gets left in -- double down!
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

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Notice Dan did not say "It's terrific" simply mumbled that it i has been going through a cut and paste hack job to get the "flow " right and it is much improved!
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I am getting really excited to see Witnesses! I hope there is at least a nod to Martin’s deer Christ in there somewhere. Maybe a kind of contextual nature shot that has a deer in it followed immediately by a jump to Martin’s face. A wink to the truly savvy fan of Martin’s kookiness.
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Rev: "I am getting really excited to see Witnesses! I hope there is at least a nod to Martin’s deer Christ in there somewhere. Maybe a kind of contextual nature shot that has a deer in it followed immediately by a jump to Martin’s face. A wink to the truly savvy fan of Martin’s kookiness."

Perhaps you jest, but this is a serious proposal. Where the Witness film is still up against the wall, even if they correct the sound and black out the battery pack and mic, is that with rare exception, a straight-forward hero's journey just isn't in fashion outside of North Korea. It will work for many of the members while others will get bored. But outside of church membership it will be received as unmitigated propaganda. That would have still largely been true in the seventies and eighties also I'm sure, but with the backdrop of colorful heroes in today's movies and television, it will be especially obvious.
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I also think Witnesses will bomb, probably like most here do. Faithful narratives don't sell well, as Gadianton says above, except for the robot believing rah rah crowd. I hated Legacy when I came back from my mission and Meet the Mormons didn't do that well either. People don't like being played.

Too bad Deer Jesus won't be a part of the film. It has so much potential. It could have been used to explore the hallucinogenic mushroom angle. (I don't know how much proof there is for this but at least the film would be interesting when Martin blasts off on his trip and has deer Jesus as his guide). It also could have been used as a backdrop to show a global point about how over-exuberance and a hyper-desire to believe leads to crazy belief systems like Mormonism and other religions.
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The legal troubles of the actor who plays Joseph Smith in the Witness film are no secret, but I would like to publicly applaud DCP’s choice to allow diversity among the actors. Below is the actor Michael Zuccola who plays Martin Harris.

I love his tattoo. I wonder if DCP is aware of what the tattoo says? Kind of shocking.

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Here is Michael with his partner on a leisurely hike:

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Regardless, kudos to DCP. Even though it could possibly mean losing some donors, DCP has come a long way in his thinking. Good job DCP!
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Thank you very much for the update, President Wang Chung. Zuccola and his parter look like a lovely, charming couple (and nice T-shirt, by the way; "Uzi" is my personal favorite of the Wu Tang's songs). And for those of us whose eyesight isn't what it used to be--I'm afraid I've misplaced my monocle--could you please tell us what his tattoo says?

As for what this means for "Witnesses"--I think you're right that, on the one hand, it does represent more diversity. Good for them for hiring a gay actor to take on the role.* You sort of have to wonder if the Executive Producer knew about this, and whether the news about it ("remarkable," as Midgley would say) has sent him into paroxysms of anger. But you are also right that this undoubtedly represents a major problem for a vast number of their readership and donors. Think how many times Dr. Peterson has posted things arguing that businesses should be able to discriminate against LGBTQ+ folks. (As a sidenote: I wonder if this specific issue is related to the complaint that caused him to--rather fruitlessly--attempt to cease posting on political matters.) So, then, did he knowingly sign off on this particular casting choice?

*Does he play Martin Harris or one of the other witnesses? I was under the impression that he was one of the others.... Martin Harris, as you likely recall, was the one with the wireless mic attached to the back of his pants...I was unable to find a listing of the full cast and crew anywhere on Mormon Interpreter's website.
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You know, I think it's worth emphasizing the fact that it is, apparently, very difficult to locate a list of the film's cast and crew, as one would normally be able to do very easily with a normal movie via IMDB. In fact, I think it needs to be pointed out that this is *highly* unusual, and would never happen with either a Hollywood film or an independent movie: if you treat your actors this badly, then you can forget about working in the industry ever again. Of course, "Witnesses" is primarily intended as propaganda so there is no real issue in treating the cast like a bunch of piss-ants, I guess. (Still, you can find the crew list for, e.g., Triumph of the Will.) And just look at this announcement on Facebook, from back in February, when Interpreter crashed the local LDS film festival:
UPDATE: WITNESSES, a theatrical film from the Interpreter Foundation, will be discussed in a recently added panel discussion (5:00pm, Saturday, February 29, 2020) at the nineteenth annual LDS Film Festival at the SCERA Center for the Arts in Orem, Utah. All interested in attending are welcome, free of charge. We'd love to have you support us there!

Participants on the panel will include Russell Richins, the film's producer, and Mark Goodman, its director and editor, Daniel Peterson, executive producer [lowercase sic], along with a leading cast member. We'll have at least one important announcement to make.
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A "leading cast member"? Based on the picture, it's the guy who plays *Joseph Smith*! And yet they won't even grant him the dignity of naming him. It's as if the actors are just chattel--there to serve a purpose, and nothing more. The notoriously austere French director Robert Bresson was famous for referring to his actors as "models," but he never would have stooped to this level of unprofessional disregard. Bresson still the regarded actors as people.
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Reset the stage, get the cameras! I hope this can be done so that Dan can be like Alfred Hitchcock, and find a suitable scene in which to inject himself as Hitchcock did in his films. We would love to see the donut man show himself say in a chair at the house when Joseph Smith shows up from Cumorah and Dan would be in the scene in a cameo appearance, looking at the camera perhaps rolling his eyes- i would defintely pay to see the film just on that account and Dan might steal the scene and maybe the movie !

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kairos wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:41 am
Reset the stage, get the cameras! I hope this can be done so that Dan can be like Alfred Hitchcock, and find a suitable scene in which to inject himself as Hitchcock did in his films. We would love to see the donut man show himself say in a chair at the house when Joseph Smith shows up from Cumorah and Dan would be in the scene in a cameo appearance, looking at the camera perhaps rolling his eyes- i would defintely pay to see the film just on that account and Dan might steal the scene and maybe the movie !

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I don't know about you, Kairos, but I'm excited to see the new "official" trailer for the film. It's supposed to drop sometime soon.
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I can hardly wait to see this film! And, yes, I am hoping for a DCP cameo. I’ll be most disappointed if that—and allusion to the deer Christ—are not included.

I hope we see the official trailer soon!
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Kishkumen wrote:
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I’ll be most disappointed if that—and allusion to the deer Christ—are not included.

I hope we see the official trailer soon!
A lot of people will be very disappointed if deer Jesus doesn’t make an appearance. The director doesn’t even have to use expensive CGI, thanks to advancements in puppetry.

It could look something like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FD670CfMBeI
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:52 am
Kishkumen wrote:
Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:53 am
I’ll be most disappointed if that—and allusion to the deer Christ—are not included.

I hope we see the official trailer soon!
A lot of people will be very disappointed if deer Jesus doesn’t make an appearance. The director doesn’t even have to use expensive CGI, thanks to advancements in puppetry.

It could look something like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FD670CfMBeI
We all want deer Jesus to make an appearance in this film. Sadly, it's too sophisticated for our mope brethren.
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The deer Jesus will simply NOT be in a film made by a Mopologist. They are not interested in truth, only faith and sustaining the Brethren.
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