Steve Smoot is a Cruise Lady Tour Guide?

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Re: Steve Smoot is a Cruise Lady Tour Guide?

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I think being an "attraction" on one of these interactive "character" experiences of Cruise Lady sounds like a lot of work for barely adequate in-kind remuneration.

Consider the BYU context. Consulting fees run in the several $1,000's per day for full professors engaging in commercial side gigs over at the Marriott School or the Ira Fulton School (Engineering). Why should Peterson, Gee, etc be any different in demanding some compensation for lending their time to a commercial enterprise that benefits from their unique expertise, such as it is?

And it is more work than play, I'm sure of it. Feature scholar has to prepare notes, emcee tour locations, take questions, and be "on" all the time. Not much room to let the guard, or hair, down.

I've been wondering what other benefits accrue, if not money.

What about this idea?

Can you imagine a more fertile ground for practicing and polishing tricky apologetic arguments? I'm thinking about unique apologetic saw-sharpening that cannot be replicated in less-controlled fora.

Here Mopologist X has a captive, self-selected, academically curious group of believers for a full week, asking all kinds of questions, ranging from chapel Mormon to the informed-enlightened. What better alpha environment in which to practice telling, modifying, and refining new apologetics?

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ha, I think you're on the right track. Not sure if it's totally about testing disingenuous arguments though. How about as a way to get all the cheap praise that they feel they deserve, but never get? Instead of having to dig in deep and figure out how to win an argument with Gemli, they go for the uncritical fawning of their Rusty-indoctrinated peers, who will praise them no matter what they say? That's worth travelling to the ends of the earth and back! is it not? Oh, to be worshiped as Abraham of old by the court of the Pharaoh! Why can't the critics just admit we're right like all the sheep headed to slaughter do?
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.

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Gadianton wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:05 pm
Instead of having to dig in deep and figure out how to win an argument with Gemli, they go for the uncritical fawning of their Rusty-indoctrinated peers, who will praise them no matter what they say? That's worth travelling to the ends of the earth and back! is it not? Oh, to be worshiped as Abraham of old by the court of the Pharaoh! Why can't the critics just admit we're right like all the sheep headed to slaughter do?
Oh, aren't we all a little guilty of enjoying the praise of people who are inclined to agree with us?
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Kishkumen wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:28 am
Gadianton wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:05 pm
Oh, to be worshiped as Abraham of old by the court of the Pharaoh!
Oh, aren't we all a little guilty of enjoying the praise of people who are inclined to agree with us?
Pretty sure only Dr. Peterson would receive a sedan chair ride, but he does possess the apologetic power to challenge the Idolatrous Gods of Egypt to a thumb wrestle. Louis Midgley would declare an instant moral victory when the so-called "Idolatrous Gods" failed to respond. He would note that they were afraid to face the modern science of Mormonism as embodied in Dr. Peterson and himself, being a former science professor at BYU.
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Dr Moore wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:24 pm
I think being an "attraction" on one of these interactive "character" experiences of Cruise Lady sounds like a lot of work for barely adequate in-kind remuneration.

Consider the BYU context. Consulting fees run in the several $1,000's per day for full professors engaging in commercial side gigs over at the Marriott School or the Ira Fulton School (Engineering). Why should Peterson, Gee, etc be any different in demanding some compensation for lending their time to a commercial enterprise that benefits from their unique expertise, such as it is?

And it is more work than play, I'm sure of it. Feature scholar has to prepare notes, emcee tour locations, take questions, and be "on" all the time. Not much room to let the guard, or hair, down.

I've been wondering what other benefits accrue, if not money.

What about this idea?

Can you imagine a more fertile ground for practicing and polishing tricky apologetic arguments? I'm thinking about unique apologetic saw-sharpening that cannot be replicated in less-controlled fora.

Here Mopologist X has a captive, self-selected, academically curious group of believers for a full week, asking all kinds of questions, ranging from chapel Mormon to the informed-enlightened. What better alpha environment in which to practice telling, modifying, and refining new apologetics?
How much feed back do you think the attendees would give? Can you imagine a scenario where the attendees would disagree with the apologist's shaky argument? Perhaps someone would quietly disagree and not say anything. But what is that worth? No, I think this is a praise plus free trip sort of thing. Durrant was my MTC mission president and I was stuck in that place for 3 months waiting for a visa and so I got an extra dose of the guy. I thought he was nice but loved praise, loved being on stage. So, I think in his case, I can see him liking a little ego stroking while he wows the crowd with his down home wisdom and basketball references while selling his son's tee shirts.
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Re: Steve Smoot is a Cruise Lady Tour Guide?

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As a nevermo accompanying my my wife on a Book of Mormon central america tour, not cruise lady, i repeatedly asked the "educator-tour guide" , a fine fellow, in side conversations, why i could not see or have pointed out to me any evidence of jewsish or christian worship at the sites. "nope , i don't see any evidence either" he said. funny the TBMs never questioned as the tour guide said "i can picture samuel the Lamanite standing on yonder wall". nor did they question that the mayan? ruler was jaguar V or jack rabbit XX! instead of benjamin or mosiah or noah!

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