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he was too busy traveling, satisfying his own gluttony and self-interests, and pissing all over health officials' recommendations just because he feels like it. This guy really is human garbage--completely self-centered, with zero regard for other people.
You know, I wonder how many people are going to die because of his wanton neglect and setting such a horrible example in which others will follow. People are going to die as a result of the virus he may be carrying or due to his inciting others to follow his example of going about and breathing the deadly virus on innocent people.

Daniel C Peterson is teetering on the edge of committing murder.

Murderer!

He deserves to be excommunicated from the Church. Just wait till President NelSatan finds out!

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Howling laughter!!!!!! Kwaku gets Memed!!!
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I really don't care if the lap dances were real or not, If someone is going to get dinged by covid and possibly spread to their family, at least make the reward worth the risk.
Excellent point. These so-called "lap dances" would be no more harmful than the BYU practice of soaking. Kwaku did get rather nasty with Consiglieri.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:
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Kwaku doesn't have good examples to look up to. I mean, unless I'm mistaken, Dr. Peterson is taking his *second* vacation during the pandemic--he keeps signing his posts, "Posted from Seaside, Oregon." I guess that explains why he had to record his FAIR talk early: he was too busy traveling, satisfying his own gluttony and self-interests, and pissing all over health officials' recommendations just because he feels like it. This guy really is human garbage--completely self-centered, with zero regard for other people.
While I disagree with the apologetical tactics of Dr.Peterson, I struggle to understand your characterization of him as "human garbage" and your comments about "gluttony" and "self-interests". By denigrating him, you denigrate the potential value in your critisisms of his apologetics. Dr. Peterson is as any human, complicated and partially selfcontradictory, but from his own perspective he is genuine.

There is enough to criticize with respect to apologetics, whithout having to retort to childrens games.

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While I disagree with the apologetical tactics of Dr.Peterson, I struggle to understand your characterization of him as "human garbage" and your comments about "gluttony" and "self-interests". By denigrating him, you denigrate the potential value in your critisisms of his apologetics. Dr. Peterson is as any human, complicated and partially selfcontradictory, but from his own perspective he is genuine.

There is enough to criticize with respect to apologetics, whithout having to retort to childrens games.
Yes.

All this completely over-the-top abuse of Daniel Peterson is first of all just cruel. He can be insensitive himself, but I think I have an outside viewpoint on this, and he gets comments here that are out of proportion to whatever he might deserve. They're well into the cyber-bullying range. Constantly harping on his weight? Seriously? What the hell is this but taunting the fat kid? Why the hell have we been tolerating this so long without even batting our eyes?

Secondly all the abuse is pointless. So even if this means could be justified by serving some end, it doesn't serve any end. I've never seen Peterson claiming to be an example of asceticism, so exposing hypocrisy or something is no excuse here, even if it ever were for this kind of ____. This isn't even an ad hominem fallacy because it isn't even trying to be an argument. It's pure insult for the sake of insult.

And finally, even if somebody wants to eradicate Mormonism and crush everything that Daniel Peterson holds dear, this absurd abuse of the man personally actually works against that goal. It makes otherwise disinterested readers spontaneously sympathize with Peterson as an obvious victim, and it lets Peterson himself duck warranted criticism by playing the victim card that people here have voluntarily dealt him. For example he once posted some pretty rotten things somewhere about somebody who had posted about feeling suicidal during a faith crisis, and I wrote an outraged post about him doing that on Mormon Dialogue & Discussion Board. He replied there by sarcastically admitting to being a horrible person. It got him off scot free, because he was able to lump that genuine objection in with all the bogus excoriation that he really does constantly get.

I'm not out to defend Daniel Peterson in general. I think it's legitimate to call him out for plagiarism or for the outrageous remarks that he does sometimes make. Constantly smearing him with over-the-top abuse is clearly different. It's vicious and the only thing it actually accomplishes is to support Peterson's views by winning him sympathy and giving him excuses.
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Double post.

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Physics Guy, thank you for the thoughtful post.

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I appreciate the commentary, and after reflecting on this matter, I have reached the following conclusion: I still think that Dr. Peterson is human garbage. I once called him a "dung heap," and he lavished in that for months. Doubtless he will once again be grateful to me for this. Meanwhile, since we're all in pearl-clutching mode, did you see this, said in reference to Kamala Harris?
Daniel Peterson wrote:I was very disappointed, in that light, when it became apparent that Mr. Biden had limited his list of possible vice presidential running mates to black women. Not because, as my more deranged critics will hasten to declare, I’m a misogynist who is also opposed to uppity black people daring to exit the plantation.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:I was very disappointed, in that light, when it became apparent that Mr. Biden had limited his list of possible vice presidential running mates to black women. Not because, as my more deranged critics will hasten to declare, I’m a misogynist who is also opposed to uppity black people daring to exit the plantation.
Just because Peterson utters words like "uppity black people" doesn't mean he's as bad as that sounds. He's mocking his critics for making him out to be that bad.

Of course it's clueless and childishly self-centered of him to think that he can utter phrases like that just to mock his critics. It's not as bad as Midgley's "up the stack" quips, but it's in that direction. Midgley isn't a Nazi and Peterson isn't a white supremacist, but by tossing around blood-drenched phrases so casually, just to make some snarky point about how they are not really Nazis or Klansmen, they betray how grotesquely they fail to appreciate what slavery and the Holocaust were.

And it's especially despicable that they do this as Mormons who will scream sacrilege if anyone dare make light mention of their Temple rituals. They insist on solemn reverence for their Mormon symbols and yet they blithely blaspheme against basic humanity merely to score their little personal points.

Nevertheless. It doesn't make that point, but instead it muffles that point, to castigate Peterson or Midgley in broad terms as "garbage", or cite them in ways that make it sound as if one is dully mistaking their subtler hypocrisy for slavering racism. It helps them get away with what they do—maybe even eggs them on to do it—to play the troll part that they've written for us.

As Most High said, there's enough to criticize. Toning it down—and getting it right—will make the real charges stick better.
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Physics Guy wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:53 pm

And it's especially despicable that they do this as Mormons who will scream sacrilege if anyone dare make light mention of their Temple rituals. They insist on solemn reverence for their Mormon symbols and yet they blithely blaspheme against basic humanity merely to score their little personal points.
The Mormons deserve to have their silly temple rituals mocked for what they have done to the Facsimiles. The Mormons have made an utter mockery of sacred Egyptian rituals, iconography, and spells in continuing to publish the trashy Explanations of the Facsimiles in conjunction with sacred Egyptian religious art.

Shame on the Mormons. I'll continue (WITHOUT APOLOGY) to trash their temple rites down in the Telestial Board:

SECOND TOKEN OF THE MELCHIZEDEK PRIESTHOOD

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Wonder if Kwaku can blend his comedy with the new emerging Dez-Nat apologetics?
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moksha wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:35 pm
Wonder if Kwaku can blend his comedy with the new emerging Dez-Nat apologetics?
I'd love to see it, kinda like Lou Midgley meets Ammon Bundy meets open mic guy at the Provo Denny's.
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Physics Guy. Don’t you believe if DCP were a kind person in word and deed, and truly was a humble servant along the lines of, say, Fred Rogers, that he’d be treated with respect or at the very least the ‘over the top’ rhetoric leveled at him would be minimal if not rare? This kind of thing doesn’t happen in a vacuum, and he’s had 40’ish years of being incredibly rude, demeaning, passive-aggressive, evasive, and just downright smarmy. I’m sorry his critics don’t carefully measure their responses to match his tone, but what he’s done with his life has been to be a ‘Soldier’ who ‘fights in the trenches’ with his equally assholish partisan fighters like Loopy Lou “peckerhead” Midgley and Kiwi “cockholster” 57. Those three along with a few others gave birth to DezNat and mopologetics through their determined efforts to destroy reputations, spread rumors, maintain dossiers on people, write hit pieces, and argue like methed up evangelists.

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After generations of white men VPs, it would be stupid not to pull from the wealth of talent to be found among accomplished black women. I really don’t see a problem here. Should Biden have chosen a white Republican man? Get real! Biden chose well, and he should win, if the fascist snake oil salesman who currently stinks up the White House doesn’t succeed at his openly admitted efforts to steal the election by suppressing the votes of those who are averse to endangering their own lives in a pandemic.

Instead of worrying about Biden’s VP choice, worry about the wholesale destruction being visited upon constitutional government by the GOP. And while apologists are at it, they can worry about their own error of providing comfort, support, and a platform for alt-right extremists like Hanna and Tristan. Or they can persuade Kwaku that wearing a mask and social distancing is smart business, not to mention a moral responsibility, during a pandemic. So many problems in their backyard, and their disappointed that an eminently qualified Black woman who stands up to fascists got tapped for VP.
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Some people have it far worse. how important is VP in the grand scheme of things?

"I was very disappointed, in that light, when it became apparent that God had limited his list of possible prophets to white men."
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.

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Was I really being that coy about my views? I saw bare shoulders I just believe that porn shoulders only exist in the minds of religious perverts.
Hey, it's a real problem in the church. It is the main driver of masturbation because we cannot resist a bare shoulder. Just like showing bare ankles were back in the late 1800's.
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huckelberry wrote:
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Was I really being that coy about my views? I saw bare shoulders I just believe that porn shoulders only exist in the minds of religious perverts.
Hey, it's a real problem in the church. It is the main driver of masturbation because we cannot resist a bare shoulder. Just like showing bare ankles were back in the late 1800's.
Well to clarify, if a woman decides that due to the image of self she wishes to project and her sense of social decorum she decides to keep her shoulders covered I can respect that. I am unable to relate to the phrase porn shoulders. Honestly, I am not familiar with the phrase used in church but I am very out of date on such things. Is the phrase just a joke?

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huckelberry wrote:
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I am unable to relate to the phrase porn shoulders. Honestly, I am not familiar with the phrase used in church but I am very out of date on such things. Is the phrase just a joke?
That term is not used in church, but is a joke used by people criticizing the church's position on modesty.
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Physics Guy wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:53 pm
As Most High said, there's enough to criticize. Toning it down—and getting it right—will make the real charges stick better.
Good point. Let the Maxwell add it to their defense against the dark side ledger, while this site steers toward a higher road.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:07 pm
Don’t you believe if DCP were a kind person in word and deed, and truly was a humble servant along the lines of, say, Fred Rogers, that he’d be treated with respect or at the very least the ‘over the top’ rhetoric leveled at him would be minimal if not rare? This kind of thing doesn’t happen in a vacuum, and he’s had 40’ish years of being incredibly rude, demeaning, passive-aggressive, evasive, and just downright smarmy. I’m sorry his critics don’t carefully measure their responses to match his tone, but what he’s done with his life has been to be a ‘Soldier’ who ‘fights in the trenches’ with his equally assholish partisan fighters like Loopy Lou “peckerhead” Midgley and Kiwi “cockholster” 57.
I don't think someone should have to be a Fred Rogers just to be safe from vitriol around here. It should be clear that I'm no fan of Peterson, but I haven't seen him calling anyone "human garbage". If he used to do that for decades then he must have reformed. The kind of abuse he gets here from some isn't just carelessly measured. It's wildly far beyond anything I've seen Peterson say to anyone.

He and his crazier buddies may well see themselves as soldiers in some kind of spiritual war, but I can't buy that as an excuse for behaving much worse than they do. And if these self-styled Mormon paladins are childish enough to do things like smuggle moronic insults in Bible code into supposedly scholarly essays, land sakes, guys: can't you see that you're playing into their hands and enabling their fantasy?

You're not calling them out. You're only setting them up. If it's a tactic designed to egg them on to make fools of themselves to a wider audience, then I think it's flawed by the fact that there's no wide audience watching them anyway. And I suspect they don't really need the egging on, either.

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It should be clear that I'm no fan of Peterson, but I haven't seen him calling anyone "human garbage".
No, just human wrecks. And cockroaches. And decaying meat-wads. And that being gay is a birth defect. And referring to people who now that they are dead are surely, said with a paternal chuckle, getting an education in their mistakes. He’s also mentioned that Jews should lighten up because it’s not like they have that many friends in the world. Etc, etc, etc.

He’s subtle, though. That Wasatch Front passive aggressive technique is used with exquisite deniability.

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