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Brothers and Sisters, I proudly bring you the blog of Doug Towers, Chapel Mormon Apologist.

For the last 13 years, Doug has owned the website “LDS Deep Doctrine” where he answers deep doctrinal questions struggling members might have.

The scary thing about Doug is that in every Ward I’ve attended, there are many members just like him. I guess it’s a good thing that at least Doug doesn’t blog about dowsing, NDE’s and the evils of science.

Let’s take a look at two of Doug’s posts:


Why Negroes didn't get the Priesthood
I was asked to explain this situation in my questions site (the link being at the top of the page). And having done so, I felt it important enough to be presented here. Even though what I am about to say was given to me by inspiration, I can demonstrate it to be true, from scripture and church doctrine.

Having stated that, I must declare that the things I say are purely as a church member, not an authority of the church. And I have never heard or read a general authority of the church, living or past, make these comments. Or any other member. So I must declare them as only those things of which I have been informed by the Holy Ghost as one person. Not established church doctrine.

My purpose in placing this here was primarily in consideration of any negro who may be searching for understanding. Secondly for any other seeker of truth.

In the pre-existence Satan presented a plan that was impossible, but appealed to many. One third of all spirits present, in fact. Of the other two thirds many were not certain who to go with. They had concerns. Being loving, Heavenly Father made a deal with them that if they went down he would make sure that they couldn't go to outer darkness - which, apparently councerned them. To go there requires the priesthood. So he promised them that a mark would be put on them that no one would put them in the position they feared. In his love God placed a dark skin upon them to distinguish them from those wishing the priesthood. He made sure that these spirits were born to negro parents. Of more recent years there seems to have been reached a point where these have all come down already, or aren't in a position to receive that which concerned them. Consequently the priesthood has also been given to negros since that time.

and

Hypocrisy in Regard Child Pornography?
I have sometimes wondered about just how much underage pornography existed on the internet. Recently I finally got around to investigating the matter.

Most would probably be aware that displaying a female of 18 or over for pornographic purposes is at least legal. So I set out to find what could be obtained in regard those of 12 to 17. It wasn't long before I discovered, much to my horror, that typing in anything about that age group brought up pictures of girls between 6 and 11. Some even boasted as young as 3 years old.

What I typed in was things such as _ 14 yo sexy nude. I varied it to 15 yo and even down to 12 yo. Yet the overwhelming response was to obtain sites where although those figures were quoted on the page to draw in visitors the girls shown were what they term a Lolita or Preteen (someone 11 yo or under). - amazing what you learn on the internet.

While the girls weren't naked they certainly weren't well dressed. The intent was obvious as picture after picture appeared with them dressed in skimpy bikinis or high cut shorts etc.

The sites presented that this was legal because the girls weren't naked.
The thing that seemed eqally bewildering to me was that in spite of this no site posted such pictures of girls of 12 to 17. There were those sites that offered downloads that you could pay for of 14 yo girls etc, yet they displayed none.

What insanity! We can see a 6 yo inappropriately displayed, while pictures of a 16 yo in such pose are policed.

Obviously we need to put some judges, lawyers and politicians on the case that aren't visiting the sites themselves. It seems they weren't visiting the sites with those older but underaged. Is that cynicism, Doug, or have you just been reading the Book of Mormon too much?

I think it time to change the laws sufficiently to disallow such legal pornography also.

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Most would probably be aware that displaying a female of 18 or over for pornographic purposes is at least legal. So I set out to find what could be obtained in regard those of 12 to 17. It wasn't long before I discovered, much to my horror, that typing in anything about that age group brought up pictures of girls between 6 and 11. Some even boasted as young as 3 years old.

What I typed in was things such as _ 14 yo sexy nude. I varied it to 15 yo and even down to 12 yo. Yet the overwhelming response was to obtain sites where although those figures were quoted on the page to draw in visitors the girls shown were what they term a Lolita or Preteen (someone 11 yo or under). - amazing what you learn on the internet.
Oh dear. Some things really don’t need to be “learned,” do they? Or at least, not in such a way that puts you on an FBI watchlist. :rolleyes:

Of the other two thirds many were not certain who to go with. They had concerns. Being loving, Heavenly Father made a deal with them that if they went down he would make sure that they couldn't go to outer darkness - which, apparently councerned them. To go there requires the priesthood. So he promised them that a mark would be put on them that no one would put them in the position they feared. In his love God placed a dark skin upon them to distinguish them from those wishing the priesthood. He made sure that these spirits were born to negro parents. Of more recent years there seems to have been reached a point where these have all come down already, or aren't in a position to receive that which concerned them. Consequently the priesthood has also been given to negros since that time.
I am speechless.

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I am LDS. I've taught seminary and Gospel Doctrine classes. I've been Elders Quorum Advisor and taught the High Priests. I am an RM. I uphold the truth of Scripture above the changing philosophies of mankind. Therefore I believe in PROVEN science only (else it isn't science in the true sense); I don't believe in unprovable fantasies such as evolution, billions of years old earth, etc.

Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are my leaders. They are the ONLY ones I consider infallible. Yet I fully support all those authorised of God within their various roles in the LDS church.

I am widowed, but would STRICTLY only date LDS women.
What a catch. Amiright, ladies???

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Yes Professor Lemmie, he is quite the catch. All of you single, available Sisters out there should read this:

Freedom of Thought - Brainwashed?
One of the main complaints relative to our religion is that it removes independent thinking. There is talk of us being mindwashed: That we just do and think whatever we are told to by church "leaders." Just how accurate is this perception?

When we look at this subject we have to look around at just how much mindwashing exists all around us. I'd like to start with looking at those things mostly not related to religion to demonstrate the point. We are convinced of a lot of ideas that have absolutely no evidence for being true.

For example when I was younger we had been mindwashed to believe that the rings around Saturn were either made of gases or an oil-like substance. And secondly that they were continuous. This was pumped into us through school and within society. Yet when a probe finally passed Saturn both claims were found to be false. It was made of rocks and in fragments.

I was brought up to believe that I should feel guilty, being a white person, because of all these suppressive things we have done to the natives all over the world. We had been mindwashed to believe that the natives had a bliss of ignorance. However upon growing up and looking at the situation of how those people lived, prior to white man, I discovered the nonsense in that idea: People eating their babies because of being traditionally too lazy to plant crops, people dying from superstition because a witch doctor pointed a bone at them, populations being low because of constant war between tribes, entire peoples with their way of living being heavy drug taking, people who rejected new ideas and expelled those who came up with them, fierce pride that made it that apologies were out of the question and duels had to occur to right the situation (as a way of life), etc. (depending upon which peoples we are speaking of).

We have women trying to pretend they are men by wearing business suits, cutting their hair, getting a career, and trying to prove how tough they are. I'm waiting to see them out on the golf course next. They feel that somehow this makes them a superior woman.”

https://dtowers.blogspot.com/2012/07/fr ... d.html?m=1
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Holy what:

http://lustwrong.blogspot.com/2006/12/p ... s.html?m=1

You should just read Doug Towers' post.

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Rather an embarressing crackpot.Rings of Saturn, the guy is utterly ignorant of what science is and how it works.

On the other hand his minor riff on teachings in church about priesthood and blacks is almost exactly the same as standard teaching.It is not the first time I have heard his minor variation.

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Superfluous remarks from me under the circumstances but just for the record:

One of the first claims to fame of James Clerk Maxwell, who was beyond argument the Einstein or Newton of the 19th century and a clear peer to both, was that in 1859 he proved that Saturn's rings had to be clouds made up of loose individual bits, not continuous masses of solid or liquid. Maxwell became seriously famous within just a few years after that, his big thing being the discovery, through nothing but math and logic, that light is electromagnetic waves. (It's an undergrad derivation now, of course. Couple of lines. You just start from the Maxwell Equations.)

So Maxwell's proof about Saturn's rings escaped nobody's notice. It has been very well known since the sixties. Those would be the eighteen-sixties.

So if this guy had the long-exploded notion that the rings were continuous "pumped into" him through his schooling, then he must have attended schools that were really bad. And weirdly focused on Saturn.

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:51 am
I have sometimes wondered about just how much underage pornography existed on the internet. Recently I finally got around to investigating the matter.
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From my experience, I would say Doug represents the church members pretty accurately.
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If this is true, if this is what the Mormon God is all about, I don't want anything to do with it. This is disgusting.
Why Negroes didn't get the Priesthood
I was asked to explain this situation in my questions site (the link being at the top of the page). And having done so, I felt it important enough to be presented here. Even though what I am about to say was given to me by inspiration, I can demonstrate it to be true, from scripture and church doctrine.

Having stated that, I must declare that the things I say are purely as a church member, not an authority of the church. And I have never heard or read a general authority of the church, living or past, make these comments. Or any other member. So I must declare them as only those things of which I have been informed by the Holy Ghost as one person. Not established church doctrine.

My purpose in placing this here was primarily in consideration of any negro who may be searching for understanding. Secondly for any other seeker of truth.

In the pre-existence Satan presented a plan that was impossible, but appealed to many. One third of all spirits present, in fact. Of the other two thirds many were not certain who to go with. They had concerns. Being loving, Heavenly Father made a deal with them that if they went down he would make sure that they couldn't go to outer darkness - which, apparently councerned them. To go there requires the priesthood. So he promised them that a mark would be put on them that no one would put them in the position they feared. In his love God placed a dark skin upon them to distinguish them from those wishing the priesthood. He made sure that these spirits were born to negro parents. Of more recent years there seems to have been reached a point where these have all come down already, or aren't in a position to receive that which concerned them. Consequently the priesthood has also been given to negros since that time.
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cwald wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:50 pm
If this is true, if this is what the Mormon God is all about, I don't want anything to do with it. This is disgusting.
Some years ago on the MAD board there was a discussion about how fair and just LDS theology was because according to Mormonism everyone was getting exactly the experience they were capable of handling according to their own free will and choices.

After some time demonstrating that this couldn't be true, but instead Mormonism proposed a form of spiritual Darwinism where weak intelligences were filtered out, followed by weaker spirit beings, and now mortals because inherent nature was assumed to be part of the being making the choice at every stage which was beyond the intelligence/spirit/person's control the LDS participants slid surprisingly easily into the remaining option. Turned out fairness and equitable opportunities weren't that important.

I probably shouldn't have been, but was, surprised at how resistant they were to asking what the chances were that the system telling them they were special for believing in the system might be using their own pride and self-importance to manipulate them into ignoring how irrational the resulting plan of salvation would be if it really was just a filter to weed out the weak? Turns out as long as one lands on the right side of a line one can be surprisingly open to drawing boundaries around people as less worthy in the name of a loving god.
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cwald wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:50 pm
If this is true, if this is what the Mormon God is all about, I don't want anything to do with it. This is disgusting.
Cwald,

Unfortunately it’s true and very disgusting. What’s even more disgusting is the blatant racism we constantly see from Mopologists like DCP.

DCP, in addition to publishing lynching photos with “humorous” captions also publicly stated that Blacks in America should be very grateful for slavery because now they get to live here.

I kid you not. Unbelievably disgusting behavior from DCP.
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Another reason to keep weirdos like this guy from privately interviewing your kids.
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From DoctorCamNC4Me's link:
Doug Towers wrote:A pre-puberty or young teenager can tend to try out her sex appeal to see how she rates. She will tend to try this out on the male she feels safest with. This will often be a father or stepfather, uncle or close family friend _ or all, if not receiving a response. [SNIP!] This problem is so prevalent that I can’t emphasize it enough. This is not pleasing discussion but needs to be addressed. Some of these girls will show up their skirts etc to get a response from a man. They will give a solid stare that can give men the definite conclusion that she knows what she's doing. [SNIP!] It must be understood that the real reason why the girl is doing this is that she wants to be assured of her ability to deal with the sex issue: She wants to be assured she is sexy enough to attract a man.
Ladies, is there any truth to this? This concept had never entered my mind before; up until now I thought that all pre-pubescent or young teenage females considered adult males, especially their fathers, stepfathers, uncles, close family friends, etc. to be "gross."

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From DoctorCamNC4Me's link:
Doug Towers wrote:A pre-puberty or young teenager can tend to try out her sex appeal to see how she rates. She will tend to try this out on the male she feels safest with. This will often be a father or stepfather, uncle or close family friend _ or all, if not receiving a response. [SNIP!] This problem is so prevalent that I can’t emphasize it enough. This is not pleasing discussion but needs to be addressed. Some of these girls will show up their skirts etc to get a response from a man. They will give a solid stare that can give men the definite conclusion that she knows what she's doing. [SNIP!] It must be understood that the real reason why the girl is doing this is that she wants to be assured of her ability to deal with the sex issue: She wants to be assured she is sexy enough to attract a man.
Ladies, is there any truth to this? This concept had never entered my mind before; up until now I thought that all pre-pubescent or young teenage females considered adult males, especially their fathers, stepfathers, uncles, close family friends, etc. to be "gross."
I'm surprised he didn't include 8 yr old girls in this, because, you know, after they turn 8 and pass on to accountability, lust and sluttiness immediately starts, tempting uncles everywhere. Just ask your local pedophile or bishop and he will tell you.
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Physics Guy wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:55 pm
So if this guy had the long-exploded notion that the rings were continuous "pumped into" him through his schooling, then he must have attended schools that were really bad. And weirdly focused on Saturn.
BYU?
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Is the Holy Ghost Heavenly Mother?
This question may seem to the vaste majority of members as having a "no" answer. Yet there remains some that are asking this question and some that are convinced she is, from personal experiences. Therefore I feel this requires answering, not only from a scriptural point of view but also how certain experiences can be confusing to some.

Heavenly Mothers have resurrected bodies. D&C 130:22 tells us, "...the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us." Thus it requires someone who has no physical body. Which rules out Heavenly Mothers from a Scriptural point.

Yet what of personal experiences where a person is guided from youth by a female spirit? This spirit is always right and has taught the truth to us all those years. Surely then isn't this the Holy Ghost?

It was a long time before I became aware of this female's presence. Yet as I then began to think back over the past I began to see that she had been there even when I was in primary school. I had to then separate the teachings I'd received by the Holy Ghost from those that were by her. Not that there was any conflict of teaching, but I wanted to understand why 2 teachers rather than just the Holy Ghost.

The first time I became aware of this female helper was when I had girl trouble. I was upset and asked for help from God. Immediately this person turned up. I could feel the same types of feelings that I got from Heavenly Father but the emotions didn't seem strong enough. So I asked if this was Heavenly Father? The answer was immediate and it was, "no". For 2 hours I walked while carrying on somewhat about this female I felt frustrated about. This spirit had an answer for everything. Being upset I was throwing in all sorts of distortions. She wasn't fazed by whatever I threw at her. It was like a 5 year old trying to confuse its mother. She went into doctrine that brought me to the tip of my knowledge and pushed it just a little beyond. Whether it was to do with life or doctrine I couldn't confuse her for a second.

The one and only mistake she made wasn't in regard doctrine or life. It was a mistake in not knowing all the circumstances in regard the girl I was having trouble with.

At this point I still hadn't come to realise it was a female I was talking to. After 2 hours she told me to go into this place that had some people meeting for religious discussion. She felt I needed the company. Upon sitting down I suddenly looked over at a pew right near me and saw her. She looked around 27 years old.

Since that time I've began to look back and remember seeing that face at times over the years. She has taught me some great and amazing things over those years.

But is she the Holy Ghost? I have seen the Holy Ghost come out of me on several occasions for different reasons. He is male, as the Scriptures say.

Yet why have 2 helpers was something I needed to know. The Holy Ghost knows all truth. But it seems that perhaps he has not lived a life yet. She speaks from experience of life. Yet the Holy Ghost doesn't say, "I did this and it works." But she says this.
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As entertainment by as this I believe this is a great example of Poe’s Law:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied.
The original statement, by Nathan Poe, read:
Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article.
I have done this to unsuspecting individuals whom now identify as DezNat. I basically stole the persona and avatar from someone like Kiwi57 and cranked up the crazy. It was quite fun to lead these idiots off a cliff.

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Dr LOD wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:33 am
As entertainment by as this I believe this is a great example of Poe’s Law:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied.
The original statement, by Nathan Poe, read:
Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article.
I have done this to unsuspecting individuals whom now identify as DezNat. I basically stole the persona and avatar from someone like Kiwi57 and cranked up the crazy. It was quite fun to lead these idiots off a cliff.
Well hell. They may as well as sign this guy up to guest host MormonTalk I guess.

Still, nothing here is so extreme or so outrageous most folks who grew up in the church haven't heard mentioned or discuss outside of the chapel. Many of my family and friends believe this kind of ____.
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My takeaway is that Brother Towers is saddened that he can't find enough pictures of the 12-17 year old age group that appeals to him.
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