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Check out this exceptionally strange new post from "Sic et Non":
Dr. Peterson wrote:Here, though, is a very interesting personal story from the award-winning former star of BYUtv’s show American Ride:

“‘It was a fight’: What’s helping this former TV host recover from COVID-19”

You might enjoy, as I did, his account of seeing and speaking with his newly-deceased mother while he was in a coma.

Which leads me to announce some good news and some bad news: With the surge in COVID-19 cases, more people will be having near-death experiences and out-of-body experiences. That’s the good news. The bad news is that, as hospitals become overburdened, as spouses and families and friends are forbidden from visiting grievously ill patients, as medical workers are increasingly overworked, and as those infected with the coronavirus die, there will be far fewer opportunities for accounts of such near-death experiences and out-of-body experiences to be shared.
Wow! Who in their right mind would actually be grateful for the suffering that COVID has caused, just in order to keep on beating this stupid drum about NDEs? Personally, I don't think it's a very good move to exploit this tragedy just to score an argumentative point, but that's just me.
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That's an uptick on the derangement meter for sure.
FARMS refuted:

"...supporters of Billy Meier still point to the very clear photos of Pleiadian beam ships flying over his farm. They argue that for the photos to be fakes, we have to believe that a one-armed man who had no knowledge of Photoshop or other digital photography programs could have made such realistic photos and films..." -- D. R. Prothero

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If either Dr. Scratch or Gadianton had the Holy Spirit in their breasts, they would realize that this confirms Jesus loves us and will take care of us. This is what mopologists think behind the scenes, I am sure. He is giving NDE's to the world to confirm he is real! I mean what more could you possibly want, an actual visit? You skeptics! There shall be no sign given but the sign of absence to the unbelieving. For all others, they can feast on NDE proof.
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You know Philo, you make a very good point. I hadn't thought about it that way, that God is giving us more proof. Thinking about it that way is so absurd, but it has to be in line with Mopologist thought. Supposing the "proof" is not pseudoscience, but revolutionary science that only the mind of faith can ascertain, then isn't that a waste of time since if you have a mind of faith, then you will believe in the afterlife anyway? I mean, why provide as evidence, something that requires an interpretive framework that itself is rejected as nonsense by the same people who reject the afterlife as nonsense?
FARMS refuted:

"...supporters of Billy Meier still point to the very clear photos of Pleiadian beam ships flying over his farm. They argue that for the photos to be fakes, we have to believe that a one-armed man who had no knowledge of Photoshop or other digital photography programs could have made such realistic photos and films..." -- D. R. Prothero

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Dr. Peterson has noted that with hospitals overburdened, there will be fewer reports of NDEs. NDE articles and topics have become quite common at Sic et Non. That is why I asked if there was a website similar to Mormon Scholars Testify for the purpose of getting the word out on NDEs and having extra quotable anecdotes as blog article material.
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moksha wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:59 pm
Dr. Peterson has noted that with hospitals overburdened, there will be fewer reports of NDEs. NDE articles and topics have become quite common at Sic et Non. That is why I asked if there was a website similar to Mormon Scholars Testify for the purpose of getting the word out on NDEs and having extra quotable anecdotes as blog article material.
This guy might know the answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km65_ejiUR8
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Dang! I guess we got suckered, because just look at this update to Dr. Peterson's post:
Sic et Non wrote:Postscript: One unfortunate soul, reading my comment above about “some good news and some bad news,” has apparently required smelling salts, medication, and trauma counseling at what I had thought was absolutely transparent irony. I think it pretty obvious, given my repeated endorsements of masks, social distancing, and taking COVID-19 very seriously, that I don’t actually favor more COVID-19 cases and an increased number of coronavirus-induced near-death experiences. That my faux-cheery hailing of an increase in NDEs if we continue to treat the pandemic casually was a way of making my point once more: Wear a mask. Don’t congregate in large groups. Keep your distance. Take this disease seriously. Oh well. As the saying goes, it’s impossible to make anything absolutely foolproof, because fools are so ingenious.
Oh, right--ha ha ha! Remember: in the same breath, he also provided a link to the story about Stan Ellsworth, the BYUtv star and COVID survivor. Dr. P. writes, "You might enjoy, as I did, his account of seeing and speaking with his newly-deceased mother while he was in a coma." So, I guess this was all part of "Sic et Non"'s "faux-cheery" ruse, meant to convince everyone to wear a mask? I.e., "Ha ha ha! What a funny story, Brother Ellsworth! If only you had worn a mask, maybe you wouldn't have had to experience your stupid NDE!"

It may be best here to just apologize and delete the post, IMO.
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That Peterson...... he s one tricky fella! He got us! Jesus 1 point, skeptics 0. :rolleyes:
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Sic et Non wrote:No, the factor that really cripples you and your buddies is your constant assumption that I'm disingenuous, mean-spirited, buffoonish, stupid, and evasive.
LOL! Is there really any need to "assume"?
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I think Dr. P took the slippery earth language of the BofM too seriously.
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I noticed that Dr. Peterson posted a celebratory link to a story about an LDS official urging people to wear masks. God forbid that people should follow medical advice! Barring that, maybe they'll at least listen to religious advice? Just look at this:
Sic et Non wrote:Please keep in mind that, according to a fair number of perhaps not altogether friendly observers, we’re Morgbots — which is to say that we’re mind-numbed robots, thoughtless and ignorant and unreflecting automatons. When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done.

So, in the words of the mantra that (some claim) is repeated every week in our sacrament meetings and in our various church classes, just shut up and “Pray, Pay, and Obey!”
What is that supposed to mean? Is he implying that Latter-day Saints haven't been wearing masks because they think it would represent a capitulation to Church critics? They won't follow their own religious leaders' advice because doing so would show that they're "Morgbots"? What the hell?

In any case, I noticed that Dr. Peterson failed to mention anything about NDEs, which must mean that he doesn't actually believe in them. Hey: readership matters, and haven't you seen how many shows about the supernatural are on the Travel Channel? And how popular is the reboot of Unsolved Mysteries on Netflix?
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"And how popular is the reboot of Unsolved Mysteries on Netflix?"

I've already watched all the episodes myself. I had a good laugh at Mopologetics during the episode on the UFO encounter with that town, because it appears that the quality of witnesses for that UFO event was far higher than the witnesses for the gold plates. Well, even if they weren't, some guy they interviewed understood the most important point of witness independence. In fact, that's almost the whole thing right there. If three totally independent witnesses report the same flying saucer, then that's something right there. If I were to follow up on that story, the first thing I would do is look for how the alleged witnesses might have played off of each other over the years. They have the right idea in theory, and so the question is if their independent witnesses really are independent. I think that same point got made in one of the other crime stories also. That's way ahead of where the apologists are at. The witnesses of the plates are like three cops backing each other up on a crime scene, or three mob guys who have got their story straight.
FARMS refuted:

"...supporters of Billy Meier still point to the very clear photos of Pleiadian beam ships flying over his farm. They argue that for the photos to be fakes, we have to believe that a one-armed man who had no knowledge of Photoshop or other digital photography programs could have made such realistic photos and films..." -- D. R. Prothero

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Dr. Robbers:

Did you notice the latest "boast post" from "Sic et Non"? Check it out:
Sic et Non wrote:Life under COVID-19 is different than it used to be before the hoax, and I hope that the pandemic goes away soon. Still, there have been some good things. Staying here in Park City this week, we’ve checked off a couple of restaurants that we’ll never need to visit again. That’s good, I guess. And we’ve been watching a Spanish mystery series called Alta Mar (“High Seas”) that’s been a good way to relax at the end of a day of reading and writing and etc. A couple of weeks ago, we participated via Zoom in the ceremony, back in Ohio, in which one of our nieces rose to the rank of captain in the United States Air Force. We’ve done some driving around and exploration in the mountains, too. Facilities here — swimming pool, gym, etc. — are still rather restricted. The hot tubs are altogether closed. But life goes on.
Now, this is interesting. This is an allegedly Libertarian person who has been aggressively supportive of health officials' mask mandates. So, he comes down on the side of the health officials as far as that goes--plus he's been "slathering the ass" of Sam LeFevre lately. But this is a very revealing post, since it shows that the main reason for his support for masks is because he wants to get back as quickly as possible to "the good ol' days" so that he can continue to indulge in his usual lifestyle. Sure: no doubt he's bummed that he can't do his free Cruise Lady vacations this year.

But, here's the thing: he has decided to travel anyways. We all know that health officials promote the wearing of masks. Do you know what else they recommend? Social distancing, and staying at home. Prof. Peterson is putting people's health at risk--such as the restaurant employees and the people working wherever he is staying, just so he can have some fun. Why did he go to the actual restaurants and breathe his "death mist" while shoveling food down his gullet, when he could have just ordered to-go? (And LOL that the restaurants were apparently lousy. I know there are good restaurants in Provo. Why not patronize them instead?)

You really can't have it both ways, can you? Either you are going to pitch in and help out by following the health recommendations, or you're not. Sure: you can argue that you are "helping out economically," but there are safer ways to do that, aren't there?

In any case, the message is clear: everyone needs to wear a mask so that DCP can travel and dine out as he sees fit. The hundreds of thousands of deaths are small potatoes, when you think about it. We need to focus on the more important things, such as what those left living are able to enjoy.
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I didn't see that. Going out to restaurants huh? I haven't been to a sit-down restaurant yet and it's been nearly a week since I've even been through a drive through. Yeah, I'd like to sit down and have a pizza and an IPA from the tap, but what if I'm pre-symptomatic? I'd feel terrible if I were to learn I spread the infection. I guess if I believed in an afterlife though, I might rationalize it: "Hey, if I infect somebody and they die, then at least I know they'll get resurrected soon and so it's no big loss really."
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"...supporters of Billy Meier still point to the very clear photos of Pleiadian beam ships flying over his farm. They argue that for the photos to be fakes, we have to believe that a one-armed man who had no knowledge of Photoshop or other digital photography programs could have made such realistic photos and films..." -- D. R. Prothero

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Just what “hoax” is he referring to? If he means the one that has me sending his neighbors to the hospital in increasing numbers. Maybe then he could clear up that one point. Some on his board may be thinking it is the current Q-anon Wayfair hoax.

I haven’t eaten at a sit down restaurant since it started.

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The "Sic et Non" proprietor is traveling for fun and blogging about it! It simply does not get any more hypocritical, unethical, and selfish than this. The universal advice from health authorities has been social distancing, and staying at home unless you absolutely need to go out. And yet here is Dr. Peterson, going on these "nostalgic" road trips for no other reason than to satisfy his own lust for "fun." Never mind that he's very likely putting others at risk, or that he's basically flipping off health authorities. And he is doing this from the platform of his blog? Well, gee: I guess the John Pack Lamberts of the world will feel that it's okay to just haul off on a road trip for the hell of it! Hey, so long as you wear a mask, you can do whatever you want!
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Doctor Scratch wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:59 pm
The "Sic et Non" proprietor is traveling for fun and blogging about it! It simply does not get any more hypocritical, unethical, and selfish than this. The universal advice from health authorities has been social distancing, and staying at home unless you absolutely need to go out. And yet here is Dr. Peterson, going on these "nostalgic" road trips for no other reason than to satisfy his own lust for "fun." Never mind that he's very likely putting others at risk, or that he's basically flipping off health authorities. And he is doing this from the platform of his blog? Well, gee: I guess the John Pack Lamberts of the world will feel that it's okay to just haul off on a road trip for the hell of it! Hey, so long as you wear a mask, you can do whatever you want!
But he gives lip service to covid with his continual calls to "take it seriously." So, why not go to America's great ski destinations in the summer, to do some fund-raising, perhaps? Next stop, Lake Tahoe!
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