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Five years after legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide, the Supreme Court has disrupted the battle over LGBTQ rights yet again.

Justices ruled 6-3 Monday that it’s unlawful to fire someone for being gay or transgender. The federal ban on sex discrimination in the workplace covers sexual orientation and gender identity-based discrimination, the court said.
https://www.deseret.com/indepth/2020/6/ ... tus-ruling
Moore’s organization, along with Catholic leaders and other faith groups, filed a Supreme Court brief last fall urging the justices to rule against the LGBTQ employees. They claimed that a ban on firing someone for being gay or transgender could disrupt a church’s ability to require employees to respect religious teachings.

In a similar brief, leaders from Brigham Young University and other religiously affiliated schools argued that redefining sex discrimination in the employment context would lead to adjustments to a variety of other laws.

A win for LGBTQ workers might eventually disrupt student housing rules, health care policy and faith-based colleges’ tax-exempt status, they wrote.


“Altering the settled meaning of Title VII would negatively impact faith-based institutions of higher education in significant and far-reaching ways,” the brief from religious schools said.
It’s always about protecting that tax exempt status. Let’s hope those fears expressed by “leaders from BYU” are founded and come to fruition.

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This means that closeted gays working for the CHURCH can now legally and lawfully come out of the closet and live their lives naturally as happy gay people. There is nothing the Church can do about it. Firing employees for being gay is a violation of the law and subject to the consequences of federal retribution, lawsuits, and the ire of the public. The temples will become targets for protesters.

I will gladly picket and march in front of the Dallas Texas Temple with my pride flag. That actually sounds like fun.

Hmmm.

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Shulem wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:06 pm
This means that closeted gays working for the CHURCH can now legally and lawfully come out of the closet and live their lives naturally as happy gay people. There is nothing the Church can do about it. Firing employees for being gay is a violation of the law and subject to the consequences of federal retribution, lawsuits, and the ire of the public.
I don't think that's true. It will be a temple recommend issue, not officially a gay issue. No court will tell them what they can and can't have in the temple recommend criteria.

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I don't think that's true. It will be a temple recommend issue, not officially a gay issue. No court will tell them what they can and can't have in the temple recommend criteria.
I think the Church and BYU are very concerned about this new ruling by Supreme Court.

A big issue the Church faces now, is that religious exemptions do not always hold up in court, especially in cases involving LGBT rights, and many courts have interpreted the exemption narrowly, ruling that Title VII exempts religious employers from religious discrimination only when it does not adversely affect a member of a protected class (LGTB).

If I had to guess, the Church will eventually be taken to court on this issue and the Church will not prevail. Times are a changing.....
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NorthboundZax wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:22 pm
Shulem wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:06 pm
This means that closeted gays working for the CHURCH can now legally and lawfully come out of the closet and live their lives naturally as happy gay people. There is nothing the Church can do about it. Firing employees for being gay is a violation of the law and subject to the consequences of federal retribution, lawsuits, and the ire of the public.
I don't think that's true. It will be a temple recommend issue, not officially a gay issue. No court will tell them what they can and can't have in the temple recommend criteria.
First, not all employment with the Church is based on a temple recommend. Many work for the Church and don't have recommends, right? Those people are under no contract to abide by the principles set out in temple recommend questions.

I can see lawsuits coming! The Church is in for it.

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:55 pm
If I had to guess, the Church will eventually be taken to court on this issue and the Church will not prevail. Times are a changing.....
You can count on it. There are many people employed by the Church today who going to come clean and out of closet. They can't be fired for who they are!

I personally will take up signs and the gay flag and picket the Dallas Temple if they trample on the rights of gays to have employment. Gays will picket the temples worldwide and make such a showing that the Church will be forced to close their temples.

And, the only good Mormon temple is a closed Mormon temple. They are like whore houses to the Lord with their secret stolen Masonic rites.

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I DARE the Church to fire someone because they are gay!

I dare it!


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To the Temples we go to march and protest!!

Shame on you!
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NorthboundZax wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:22 pm
Shulem wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:06 pm
This means that closeted gays working for the CHURCH can now legally and lawfully come out of the closet and live their lives naturally as happy gay people. There is nothing the Church can do about it. Firing employees for being gay is a violation of the law and subject to the consequences of federal retribution, lawsuits, and the ire of the public.
I don't think that's true. It will be a temple recommend issue, not officially a gay issue. No court will tell them what they can and can't have in the temple recommend criteria.
Gay single members are allowed to hold temple recommends as long as they obey the LDS phony laws of chastity.
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What a horrible, horrible Church and institution:
BYU Honor code wrote:Can members of our campus community who identify as LGBTQ or SSA be disciplined for going on a date, holding hands and kissing?
Elder Johnson in his letter counsels, “Same-sex romantic behavior cannot lead to eternal marriage and is therefore not compatible with the principles included in the Honor Code.” Therefore, any same-sex romantic behavior is a violation of the principles of the Honor Code.
The Mormon Church is simply horrible, an abomination. Disgusting Church.

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Wonder if BYU might agree to shut its doors forever rather than tolerate an openly gay faculty member?
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moksha wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:46 pm
Wonder if BYU might agree to shut its doors forever rather than tolerate an openly gay faculty member?
You can bet your ass that there are gay faculty members working at BYU. They just aren't out, yet. But it's coming.

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Shulem wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:00 pm
moksha wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:46 pm
Wonder if BYU might agree to shut its doors forever rather than tolerate an openly gay faculty member?
You can bet your ass that there are gay faculty members working at BYU. They just aren't out, yet. But it's coming.

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Pitiful, pitiful, Deseret News!

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If you want to know one of the real reasons the Church is hoarding money you need to read their amicus brief they just filed:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/ ... ersion.pdf

“Many religious organizations lack the financial and institutional fortitude to weather such battles of attrition.“

It’s a battle chest.

The rest of the document basically states the Church needs to discriminate because That’s What Jesus Would Do.

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The rest of the document basically states the Church needs to discriminate because That’s What Jesus Would Do.
Exactly. They're ass holes just like their God is. Amazing that it offends them when you point that two pronged stick at them..... Jehovah is the singular worse kind of deity ever invented. That they love to put Jesus into Jehovah as the same person is the most damning indictment of him in all literature, and no one of them blind idiots sees it.
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The LDS church was part of a group of 'religious amici' that filed the brief Doctor CamNC4Me links to above. One of the primary authoring law firmst is Kirton & McConkie. It is claimed on page 2 that "These beliefs about marriage are inextricably intertwined with amici’s beliefs and practices regarding sexuality and gender and are foundational to their faith." The beliefs about marriage mentioned in the preceding paragraph are that (1) it is a sacred union of a man and a woman, and (2) same-sex marriage should not be condoned. Are such beliefs about marriage "and practices regarding sexuality and gender" really "foundational to their faith?"
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Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:02 pm
The LDS church was part of a group of 'religious amici' that filed the brief Doctor CamNC4Me links to above.
Seems like it was entirely the product of Kirton McConkie. The list of religious organizations willing to sign on to the lastest brief had greatly dwindled. Perhaps these religious groups no longer wish to be associated with a losing cause, or perhaps former signees have had new light and wisdom enter their world and felt the inspiration to refrain.
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The diehard Mormon homophobes want to enforce their brand of morality over everyone else.

This evil endeavor will surely fail. Mormonism is out of step with the evolution and shift the world is taking. Mormonism is being left behind to wallow in the mire.

The Church has pretty much been on the wrong side of everything since day one.

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