Louis Midgley Threatens to "Pay a Visit" to Gina Colvin

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he explained that Gina Colvin ‘isn’t even really Maori’ because of his opinions on how she was raised. Another was his explanation that the ‘good Maori’ became LDS, implying those who don’t, of course, are somehow not good.
hmmmmmm. to me the full implication of these two statements together, is "those who don't, are not really Maori.
In my back and forth with him he tried to make a similar argument about my Native American identity. With that comment and what he was saying about Gina Colvin is he is trying to erase our identity, by his made up version of who belongs to the group. That is a racist action, even if he doesn't realize it.

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Lyin’ Lou Midgley declares he has thick skin while cryin’ like a big baby for, what, a month now about his wonderfully disastrous attempt at stalking on Colvin’s blog:

“Kiwi57: I had not heard about "Sacrament Meeting in New Zealand" thing. I don't know what nasty, vile, rubbish being posted on the wholly innocent Dr. Shades board, unless someone points them out to me. Life is better that way. I thought that I had a thick skin, but Professor Peterson knows that forty plus comments of the "Kiwi Mormon" blog, especially by one genuine Donkey, really got to me.”

I’ve never seen such a thin-skinned lunatic lie about every_single_aspect of his life, himself, and his past as I’ve seen Lyin’ Lou do on Mr. Peterson’s blog. This is what happens when a couple of rubes get off their leashes.

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Dr. Exiled Louis Midgley • an hour ago
So, why would the Bishop and Stake President want this meeting to happen and why would the Area President call to ask how it went? If they initiated this meeting and not you, why? Why would they care about having you meet with Ms. Colvin's husband? It seems odd that of all people in the world, they contacted you, for some reason, and wanted you to meet Ms. Colvin's husband, for some reason. For what purpose? Was it just out of the blue for no reason whatsoever? What is the back story? If they wanted this meeting, perhaps it was to patch things up? Why else?

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Important notice: I'm tiring of this. I don't want a back-and-forth between commenters here and your message board. Please take a day off. Do not post here again until at least Saturday. I want to take the momentum out of this "conversation."

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
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...I’ve never seen such a thin-skinned lunatic lie about every_single_aspect of his life, himself, and his past as I’ve seen Lyin’ Lou do on Mr. Peterson’s blog. This is what happens when a couple of rubes get off their leashes.

BYU professors. Mormon priesthood holders. Overblown narcissists.

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Louis Midgley Dr. Exiled • 5 hours ago • edited

Dr. Self-Deceived: It seems that you simply cannot do any better, but straining only makes you comments worse. Why?

My Dermatologist and his wife were there, and my youngest son and his wife were there, and ten or twelve others were there and witnessed what happened. It was not a chance meeting at all. Gina's husband wanted it to happen, as did his Bishop and Stake President, and on my birthday, on March 12, I had a phone call from the Area President asking how it went. And Nathan and I exchanged cards and we have also exchanged email messages.

You are, of course, perfectly free to "think," if that is the right word, whatever you care to in an effort to continue to make an utter fool out of yourself.

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Colvin’s husband and Midgley are exchanging email messages? I’m guessing any “exchange” was one from Midgley followed by a cease and desist order in response. Gina herself has confirmed her husband did not even know who Midgley was, and that Midgley approached him. And now Midgley has the bishop, the stake president and the area president involved in this breach of Gina Colvin’s privacy.

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Louis Midgley Dr. Exiled • 5 hours ago • edited

Dr. Self-Deceived: It seems that you simply cannot do any better, but straining only makes you comments worse. Why?

My Dermatologist and his wife were there, and my youngest son and his wife were there, and ten or twelve others were there and witnessed what happened. It was not a chance meeting at all. Gina's husband wanted it to happen, as did his Bishop and Stake President, and on my birthday, on March 12, I had a phone call from the Area President asking how it went. And Nathan and I exchanged cards and we have also exchanged email messages.

You are, of course, perfectly free to "think," if that is the right word, whatever you care to in an effort to continue to make an utter fool out of yourself.

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Colvin’s husband and Midgley are exchanging email messages? I’m guessing any “exchange” was one from Midgley followed by a cease and desist order in response. Gina herself has confirmed her husband did not even know who Midgley was, and that Midgley approached him. And now Midgley has the bishop, the stake president and the area president involved in this breach of Gina Colvin’s privacy.
This story has now had more rewrites than the First Vision.

It seems Midgley is suggesting Colvin's husband is also willingly complicit in the ongoing breach of her privacy. Is Midgley trying to break up a marriage? I'd like to read (firsthand) Nathan's version of events.
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Is Lyin’ Lou Midgley is now insinuating, by mentioning his birthday in the same breath that he and Nathan exchanged cards, that Nathan gave him a birthday card? Perhaps it was a business card? And now they’re, via Lyin’ Lou’s many insinuations, best friends and that Nathan “wanted this” (WEIRD PHRASING), and everyone up and down the ‘chain of command’ engineered Lyin’ Lou’s meet with an ex-Mormon’s husband whose spouse is subject to Lyin’ Lou Midgley’s daily attacks?

And now DANIEL C. PETERSON CONFESSES TO KNOW THE BACKSTORY TO ALL OF THIS. How INVOLVED WAS DANIEL C. PETERSON in Lyin’ Lou’s stalking and harassment of Gina Colvin and her husband, using the Church’s leadership to facilitate this thing?!

What in THE ____ is going on out there is Provo??

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Dan Peterson ALWAYS says he has the background story and information on any development that threatens something or someone he is interested in. What he has is a biased slant concerning all issues which he thinks is the only accurate version. One could not be blamed if one were to realize that one could not accept anything Peterson says anymore than one accepts what Trump says without doing serious fact checking.

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Something doesn't add up about the Area President and Stake President wanting to arrange a meeting with Midge and Gina Colvin's husband. The only way I can see that happening is if the Area President and Stake President were alerted to the problems Midge was creating with Ms. Colvin and wanted a meeting to see if it could be resolved.

But that appears unlikely. My guess is that Midge arranged the meeting through third parties or is inventing the Area Authority/Stake President story as cover for his stalking behavior. The man who would turn in his own brother if that brother wrote something contrary to the church in dialogue or sunstone would certainly be on the job gathering Intel on Ms. Colvin and more than likely initiated the "chance" meeting with Ms. Colvin's husband.

Also, Coach P could very well be making up his secret knowledge a la E. Perry telling the Swedes he had papers in his briefcase that supposedly resolved all the issues with church history. The Swedes couldn't actually see the papers but were asked to trust the apostle.

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For reference:
The Stake President is Jared Ormsby
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/ ... prisonment
The Area President is Ian Ardern
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_(LDS_Church)#List

I wonder what their version of events is...

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One could not be blamed if one were to realize that one could not accept anything Peterson says anymore than one accepts what Trump says without doing serious fact checking.
I think Dr. Peterson has decided to support the claims of an old friend. It is not like he is gambling Church funds on the veracity of Lou's claims. All anyone has to do is read the comments on the early December Kiwi Mormon blog article to know what went on.

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They're desperate. Midgley has been exposed as a creepy stalker, and they have no response except to ban people. It's a bit strange: Midgley used to boast about his confrontations with critics--his bout with the Tanners was creepy and off-putting, too, and yet you don't see him squirming over that.

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Gadianton wrote:
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he explained that Gina Colvin ‘isn’t even really Maori’ because of his opinions on how she was raised. Another was his explanation that the ‘good Maori’ became LDS, implying those who don’t, of course, are somehow not good.
hmmmmmm. to me the full implication of these two statements together, is "those who don't, are not really Maori.
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In my back and forth with him he tried to make a similar argument about my Native American identity. With that comment and what he was saying about Gina Colvin is he is trying to erase our identity, by his made up version of who belongs to the group. That is a racist action, even if he doesn't realize it.
He can’t let the race issues go. Even though Peterson declared the topic of Midgley’s stalking and his attendant racist comments off limits for a couple of days, Midgley is still trying to work his weird little racist digs into the conversation:

Louis Midgley 3 hours ago

This is good news. However, I doubt that it will silence one who likes to grump about how those who give serious attention to Mesoamerica as the probable actual location for the Lehite history. One of these even likes to complain that this does some unspecified damage to the remnants of Mayan people.

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I am sorry to hear that the trip has ended in such turmoil. Clearly someone is confused about what went down. It is puzzling to me. I don't know why it is that Dr. Midgley takes such a personal interest in Dr. Colvin. Maybe it is true that he feels very possessive of his personal claim on the Maori culture and people as he likes to imagine them: purported children of the (fictional) Lehi. I can sympathize somewhat, or at least use my imagination to help me understand what that must be like. Maybe there was a time when I would have insisted that the Native American peoples were children of Lehi because I truly believed that the Book of Mormon was quite literally accurate in its account of the American past.

Unfortunately for the literal-believing Book of Mormon reader, the Book of Mormon is an Anglo-American fantasy about American antiquity. Joseph Smith, consciously or not, sought to replace indigenous peoples' own understandings of their history and culture with a European myth about Hebrew origins. It is patently obvious. In order to get around that blatantly racist purpose, contemporary Mormons will be forced to find a new way to think about their scriptures. Historicity is a dead end here. The texts are so obviously anachronistic that to valorize them in any literal way is to commit intellectual suicide, not to mention commit yourself to perpetuating a racist framework in allegedly holy writ.

Lou's position seems to be essentially this: my Euro-fantasy is more legitimate than yours because I don't see it as such. My Euro-fantasy about indigenous origins comes directly from God! God, is, in other words, a white man in the sky, teaching his European truth to the "benighted" (read dark-skinned) peoples of the world, who can be elevated if they embrace the white man God's teachings about their true Euro-imposed identity.

I understand that Lou would never put it in such terms, and I don't think it would be fair to credit him with being consciously aware of the implications of what he is doing. He lives in such a bubble of white privilege with all of its concomitant assumptions that it is quite literally impossible for him to see what he is doing. Because brown peoples have appropriated some Western ideas on their own terms in order to combat European colonialism, Lou and his friends condemn this move in a sort of tu quoque move that amounts to the pot accusing the kettle of being derivative and having an inferior shade of black (ahem). It is a no-win game for Gina. The only option she is given by Lou is to embrace his position. She has no other agency because Lou's white man God has already identified her personal choice to be fundamentally compromised.

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It is a no-win game for Gina. The only option she is given by Lou is to embrace his position. She has no other agency because Lou's white man God has already identified her personal choice to be fundamentally compromised.
I would only add that it’s a no-win game if she plays, which it seems you are implying if I am interpreting you correctly.

Marjorie Newton, based on some responses I’ve read from her editors and from Midgley, already seems to have concluded that there are other options besides playing Midgley’s game, namely ignoring him entirely, and continuing to interact with the legitimate academic and research world, which of course excludes his rants, personal attacks, and bizarre Interpreter reviews. Colvin seems on that path as well. More power to them.

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Kishkumen:

Unfortunately for the literal-believing Book of Mormon reader, the Book of Mormon is an Anglo-American fantasy about American antiquity. Joseph Smith, consciously or not, sought to replace indigenous peoples' own understandings of their history and culture with a European myth about Hebrew origins. It is patently obvious. In order to get around that blatantly racist purpose, contemporary Mormons will be forced to find a new way to think about their scriptures. Historicity is a dead end here. The texts are so obviously anachronistic that to valorize them in any literal way is to commit intellectual suicide, not to mention commit yourself to perpetuating a racist framework in allegedly holy writ.
Can we pin this to the Hall of Fame section?

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moksha wrote:
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I think Dr. Peterson has decided to support the claims of an old friend. It is not like he is gambling Church funds on the veracity of Lou's claims. All anyone has to do is read the comments on the early December Kiwi Mormon blog article to know what went on.
I think you are right on that point. Sometimes I think a side purpose of Sic et Non is to provide Professor Midgley a moderated place to interact with some of his favorite subjects, and get a little Mopologetic wrestling in that Midgley so much enjoys. As long as he stayed at Sic et Non he was OK because he was being looked out for by his friend. Although I do think Peterson should have been more proactive on holding Professor Midgley to level of civility more reflective of his position as a university professor. In that he failed his friend.

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Dr LOD wrote:
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moksha wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 8:36 am
I think Dr. Peterson has decided to support the claims of an old friend. It is not like he is gambling Church funds on the veracity of Lou's claims. All anyone has to do is read the comments on the early December Kiwi Mormon blog article to know what went on.
I think you are right on that point. Sometimes I think a side purpose of Sic et Non is to provide Professor Midgley a moderated place to interact with some of his favorite subjects, and get a little Mopologetic wrestling in that Midgley so much enjoys. As long as he stayed at Sic et Non he was OK because he was being looked out for by his friend. Although I do think Peterson should have been more proactive on holding Professor Midgley to level of civility more reflective of his position as a university professor. In that he failed his friend.
Indeed, although Peterson has his own problems with civil conversation, it would appear.
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After agreeing to take the weekend off, Coach P asked me the following after insinuating that I was merely poisoning the well:
But you can wait until at least Monday before you attempt to explain why asking questions of people whom you have declared liars would be worthwhile.
I think Coach P is misconstruing what is going on. Dr. Midgley claims his meeting with Dr. Colvin's husband was arranged by the Area Authority and/or Stake President in New Zealand and I asked Dr. Midgley to tell me why that would have happened. The only way that makes sense to me is if the Area Authority and/or Stake President in New Zealand knew of his dust-up with Dr. Colvin and wanted there to be some sort of burying the hatchet or if someone other than Dr. Midgley sent word that Dr. Midgley wanted to meet and then arranged the meeting. That's when Coach P interceded.

Anyway, Coach P, it isn't poisoning the well if I am trying to get an accused to explain himself more fully. Poisoning the well would be if we were talking about another subject altogether, like LGT, and I responded to Dr. Midgley by implying he lied about who set up the meeting with Dr. Colvin's husband.

So, Dr. Midgley, why would the Area Authority and/or the Stake President, that are over Dr. Colvin's husband's ward, want to have you meet Dr. Colvin's husband and why would the Area Authority call you to see how the meeting went? Surely it wasn't at random. Did you have someone contact them prior to your arriving in Christchurch in order to have them arrange the meeting? Was it because they wanted something settled between the two of you? Or is this simply an invented story to cover your boorish behavior?

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After agreeing to take the weekend off, Coach P asked me the following after insinuating that I was merely poisoning the well:
But you can wait until at least Monday before you attempt to explain why asking questions of people whom you have declared liars would be worthwhile.
I think Coach P is misconstruing what is going on. Dr. Midgley claims his meeting with Dr. Colvin's husband was arranged by the Area Authority and/or Stake President in New Zealand and I asked Dr. Midgley to tell me why that would have happened. The only way that makes sense to me is if the Area Authority and/or Stake President in New Zealand knew of his dust-up with Dr. Colvin and wanted there to be some sort of burying the hatchet or if someone other than Dr. Midgley sent word that Dr. Midgley wanted to meet and then arranged the meeting. That's when Coach P interceded.

Anyway, Coach P, it isn't poisoning the well if I am trying to get an accused to explain himself more fully. Poisoning the well would be if we were talking about another subject altogether, like LGT, and I responded to Dr. Midgley by implying he lied about who set up the meeting with Dr. Colvin's husband.

So, Dr. Midgley, why would the Area Authority and/or the Stake President, that are over Dr. Colvin's husband's ward, want to have you meet Dr. Colvin's husband and why would the Area Authority call you to see how the meeting went? Surely it wasn't at random. Did you have someone contact them prior to your arriving in Christchurch in order to have them arrange the meeting? Was it because they wanted something settled between the two of you? Or is this simply an invented story to cover your boorish behavior?
Please ask Baby Louey this question on Monday.

Peter$on, you and Baby Louey are liars. No question. You've been caught in too many (too numerous to mention) well-documented lies. Shame on you and shame on Baby Louey.

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Big Baby Lyin’ Lou sputters out another daily fib when he claims, “... I doubt that I am the only one finds the comments of Charles to be utterly boring...”. A quick perusal of Lyin’ Lou’s disqus profile reveals he has engaged, called upon, and responded to the poster known as ‘Charles’ dozens upon dozens of times. This is why it’s utterly useless to take Dowsing Down and little his cabal of suck ups at their word. Just watch their behavior. They lie, fib, obfuscate, deny, dodge and weave. When you finally pin them down on a point they act like put upon victims who are mercilessly bullied. It’s just ____ bizarre to witness Mopologists Gone Wild on Dan’s blog. Good Lord, the Church’s little experiments have finally escaped the lab.

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