Wayment on "borrowing" in the JST

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Re: Wayment, the JST and AOF8

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mentalgymnast wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:53 am
Fence Sitter wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:56 pm

Now i realize that most members don't bother to read the church essays and even fewer will follow the links, but they do not have to layout $45 for a PB or $70 for a HB (by the way that price is probably that high because it is being printed at a University press) to find out Joseph Smith was using Clarke to revise the Bible. This new info may take a while to seep in but eventually we will be hearing from members trying to gaslight us who will say the church has always known that Joseph Smith took from sources around him, so what's the big deal?

The days where members can take comfort in thinking Joseph Smith was an ordinary man who solely through divine assistance produced scripture, are numbered.
So what IS the big deal? Were you one of those who believed Joseph or any of the other modern prophets did their work “solely through divine assistance”? Admittedly, I can see how this would have been difficult for you to wrap your mind around to find out that he didn’t. The question is whether your expectations were flawed and/or unrealistic.

A common thread here seems to be a certain sense of rigidity in viewing, well, just about everything. Expectations not met can be a real downer.

On another thread I stated that my belief is that experimentation plays a part in the restoration just as it does in many other areas of the operations of this world. I mean, what was the KEP all about? Examples are all over the place. Cannot God be directing His work without being involved at the micro level at/in every instance? I’m much more comfortable with a God that operates at the macro level than the micro. The BofM uses the language “to act” and not be acted upon.

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MG
Wow. I’ve been out for a while, but is this kind of gaslighting and rewriting history that it takes to now defend the LDS church? Unbelievable.

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Re: Wayment on "borrowing" in the JST

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Gadianton wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:38 pm
Aren't all of these theories also against the grain of the Ghost Committee theory?

"This new evidence effectively forces a reconsideration of Smith's translation projects, particularly his Bible revision, and how he used a scholarly source while simultaneously melding his own prophetic inspiration into the resulting text."

That seems to cover the attitude of all the new stuff coming out. Totally different than producing the Book of Mormon by reading words off a stone.
Exactly. I seem to remember an apologetic argument that discounted all discussions where multiple different explanations were suggested. By Peterson’s argument, if some argue EModE and others argue loose or tight translations, then the fact that multiple explanations exist means none are valid.

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Re: Wayment, the JST and AOF8

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mentalgymnast wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:53 am
Fence Sitter wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:56 pm

Now i realize that most members don't bother to read the church essays and even fewer will follow the links, but they do not have to layout $45 for a PB or $70 for a HB (by the way that price is probably that high because it is being printed at a University press) to find out Joseph Smith was using Clarke to revise the Bible. This new info may take a while to seep in but eventually we will be hearing from members trying to gaslight us who will say the church has always known that Joseph Smith took from sources around him, so what's the big deal?

The days where members can take comfort in thinking Joseph Smith was an ordinary man who solely through divine assistance produced scripture, are numbered.
So what IS the big deal? Were you one of those who believed Joseph or any of the other modern prophets did their work “solely through divine assistance”? Admittedly, I can see how this would have been difficult for you to wrap your mind around to find out that he didn’t. The question is whether your expectations were flawed and/or unrealistic.

A common thread here seems to be a certain sense of rigidity in viewing, well, just about everything. Expectations not met can be a real downer.

On another thread I stated that my belief is that experimentation plays a part in the restoration just as it does in many other areas of the operations of this world. I mean, what was the KEP all about? Examples are all over the place. Cannot God be directing His work without being involved at the micro level at/in every instance? I’m much more comfortable with a God that operates at the macro level than the micro. The BofM uses the language “to act” and not be acted upon.

Regards,
MG
I think people expected Joseph Smith was telling the truth when he said that the bible revision was inspired and not lifted from Clarke, without proper attribution. Silly members. What were they thinking? It is obviously their fault when they leave and not the apologist gaslighters' fault.
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Re: Wayment, the JST and AOF8

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Fence Sitter wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:34 pm
It would be interesting to see if Buck's work directly or even indirectly influenced the JST in the same way that Clarke did.
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