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Wow, Blake Ostler seems to have come unhinged. Just look at this Comment from him:

Blake Ostler wrote:And here we go again with the DCP hate club where the “interlocutors” do their best to hide and pretend to be saying something that has merit while bad mouthing DCP. Please grow up, get the hell off of these personal attacks and get a life. This kind of invective is beneath even SmallAxe. Jensen and Hauglid’s treatment of the KEP and related papers is abominable and the fact that only one POV is expressed — a rather Dan Vogel like POV that any responsible scholar should know better than to parrot — tells us everything we need to know about their “scholarship”.

And Dr. Scratch — really? Airing your petty jealousies in public is just childish. Your antics here are pathetic and explain why I stayed as far away from academia as I could. You do know that Dr. Midgely has passed, right? Truly you are disgusting.

And as iffy as some of the stuff published by the Interpreter may be, at least it isn’t totally insomnia curing drivel that we get here.


A few thoughts:

--I dunno: if *I* had insomnia, I reckon I'd *want* a cure for it. If that was the case, go ahead and give me the "drivel"!

--Louis Midgley is dead? They why/how on Earth is he still posting viciously cruel posts aimed at Gemli each day? I'm willing to be corrected if I'm wrong, but... Wow. I mean, is this really Ostler? Or some sock puppet that intends to make him look like a drooling idiot?

--"petty jealousies." Lol. What is it that I'm supposed to be jealous of, exactly? Pissing away my life on a fruitless venture? Not getting to experience the "Heaven" of Added Upon?
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I think if Blake really feels that way, he should step back, read Sic et Non extensively for a few weeks, and then let us know if he feels the same disparity exists that he had assumed, regarding the "antics" of critics vs. apologists.

He's really stretching credibility to speak as if it's a given that anyone in academia who knows anything knows that Jensen and Hauglid's work is abominable.

He admits Interpreter has published some iffy stuff. Okay, I for one would love to see Ostler register here, and discuss the work of Interpreter. Pick the very best example of credible scholarship that he feels Interpreter has published and let's discuss it.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.

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Dr Midgley posted a comment on SeN just 26 minutes ago. It appears Blake posted his comment nearly 3 hours ago. Why would he write that? I can’t think of a single good reason. If that is his way of trolling you, it is in very poor taste.

What exactly is Blake’s problem with Dan Vogel?

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Maybe he just really thought he had died? Maybe he's not really up on what's going on in the world of Mopologetics? If you only ever know one side of the story, that kind of outburst happens.

Honestly, I've always kind of liked Blake. I enjoyed his contributions on Clark's blog. I think if he gave us a chance he'd see things differently.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.

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I have some trouble believing that was Blake Ostler actually. But every now and again he has been known to blow his cork... Maybe he's mad because Midgley died and we just haven't heard about it yet?
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Gadianton wrote:Maybe he just really thought he had died? Maybe he's not really up on what's going on in the world of Mopologetics? If you only ever know one side of the story, that kind of outburst happens.

Honestly, I've always kind of liked Blake. I enjoyed his contributions on Clark's blog. I think if he gave us a chance he'd see things differently.

Did he somehow post Midgley when he meant Goble?

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I have never understood why Blake Ostler is treated with respect. Everything I've read from him is ____. :rolleyes:
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Smallaxe writes...
Not even at BYU, where professors must publish research to be promoted (and gain BYU’s version of tenure), does publishing with the Interpreter count toward their research requirements. And even the College of Religious Education’s new Continuing Faculty Status guidelines rule out places like the Interpreter as an academic publishing outlet. The Interpreter might be run by faithful men (where are the women?) who on occasion publish decent scholarship, but “scholarship” such as Boyce’s (and Gee’s) serve as a reminder why the Interpreter is not considered scholarship by the larger community of scholars. Bad scholarship is not, indeed cannot be, faithful scholarship

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Maksutov wrote:I have never understood why Blake Ostler is treated with respect. Everything I've read from him is ____. :rolleyes:

Has Blake-boy offered an idea on who might be the king of Egypt in Facsimile No. 3? Has Blakey offered an opinion on Anubis's missing snout?

Hello? Blakey-boy? Where are youuuuu!

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I hope not to derail the topic, but I just have a factual question. SmallAxe makes the following comment in his review of Gee's review:

None of this is surprising given that the founder of the Interpreter has barely published any peer-reviewed work in his field over his 40+ year career (I can’t find more than six articles and one book). This would not meet the standards at any institution that BYU sees as a peer; and it is an embarrassment for many at BYU.

I don't think that's necessarily true. A scholarly monograph and six peer-reviewed articles are quite enough to get tenure in most humanities fields at probably all but a handful of schools. Doing nothing else after that won't get you promoted to full professor likely (although all kinds of factors are involved there and it's a little less formalized than tenure in my observation), but even so, given that he's referring to Daniel Peterson, my question is: what are the six scholarly articles that Peterson has published? The one book is the popularizing Muhammad biography published by an evangelical scholarly press (Eerdman's, I think) long after he'd received BYU's version of tenure, but I have never been able to find a single peer-reviewed article in a non-Mormon scholarly journal. My understanding is that he's had no scholarly monograph and no scholarly articles, though he has obviously published a significant amount of work in another genre.
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BYU does not offer tenure. It offers Continuing Status, which can be removed if you break BYU's rules, written or unwritten. Publication record is a flexible category in the BYU prof's overall dossier. One should publish, and there are rising young stars who are going gangbusters, but back in the days when BYU was a teaching institution that had little pressure on it to pretend to any grander things the fact that one was not publishing in peer review journals was not a big problem. Breaking the Word of Wisdom, missing Church too much, or speaking at a Pro-Choice rally. Those are problems.

I took one of my religion classes from a guy who wrote his dissertation on the Pontifex Maximus at BYU. He was a nice fellow and a good storyteller. But he was not really known, even among his research assistants, for being a rigorous scholar by any stretch of the imagination. But, hey, he was teaching Mormon scripture at BYU. He really didn't need to be a rigorous scholar, and that lack probably saved him a lot of headaches.
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Does anyone take Blake Ostler seriously? Midgley dead? Talk about weird and unhinged!
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Kishkumen wrote:Does anyone take Blake Ostler seriously? Midgley dead? Talk about weird and unhinged!


Oh, it is only getting better, Reverend:

Blake Ostler wrote:Really you are like a bunch of kids arguing over who has the best popsicle.

I meant that Midgley had passed from the scholarly scene at BYU; Not that he died. I can see how my statement was confusing.

SmallAxe you are wrong about your public speculation about why Gee was not published in BYU Studies. You are wrong that Interpreter does not make changes to published papers or that this is the first time corrections have occurred. You are wrong that other scholarly journals do not disclose the names of authors of papers for review (though we can agree that it is a bad practice).

Rather than write a 20 page critique on blog, let me say that I am largely in agreement with this review by Jeff Lindsay especially related to the errors in dating mss. and failing to take into the account the impact of Joseph’s study of Hebrew.

https://journal.interpreterfoundation.o ... some-gaps/


LOL! And he gets called out for it, too:

Yakov Ben Tov wrote:Lies. Just admit that you got Louis mixed up with John Tvedtnes and move on. You did not mean that he “passed from the scholarly scene,” that was the topic and that undermines your argument that Scratch was being disgusting. That only makes any sense if you thought he had died.


Maybe it was just a Freudian slip on Ostler's part? Anyways, he goes on:

Blake Ostler wrote:Yakov — you are just full of ____ to suggest that I am lying and did not know what I meant. Let me know who you are so that I can see who I am dealing with you coward. Telling DCP to let Midgely know that he is a terrible human being is beyond the pale. That you sanction such antics is truly sickening to me. I love how y’all act like 2 year olds to gang up on DCP and fuss over the kind of crap that really makes you look pathetic.


Ostler wrote:Yakov ben Coward: by the way I am well aware that Midgley did not die because I spoke with him recently. If you think that I was thinking of Tvedtnes then you are total dolt. Those of us doing philosophy have our disagreements, but I have never seen such childish antics among my peers.


Does he consider Midgley and DCP to be his "peers"? If so, all he needs to do is mosey on over to the "Comments" section of SeN to witness daily 'gang ups' by Peterson, Midgley et al. on Gemli. And has Ostler not read the "gang-up" attack on Grant Palmer--led by Midgley--that appeared in the old FROB?

Dr. Robbers is correct: it appears that Ostler is clueless about the history of Mopologetics. (And I also wonder if Midgley has been whining to him privately....)
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No, Ostler is not clueless. He just suffers from the same debilitating disease of ego that makes Donald Trump take a Sharpie to an outdated weather map and fuels most Mopologetic arguments. In other words, this is what is truly meant by his peers: they are all one implosion away from being fellow patients at a psych ward.
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Given the atomic scale of the Mopologist’s active reader audience, one can at least understand the violent insecurity that produces such embarrassing tantrums.

After all, this IS the internet and the whole entire world has access to witness them being held to account by the vile personalities who dare pay close attention to the details.

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By the way, Ostler was totally lying, and it was a stupid lie to boot. Yakov has his number. Ostler slipped but the world would cave in on itself if, horror of horrors, he should make a mistake like any other normal person.
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Dr Moore wrote:Given the atomic scale of the Mopologist’s active reader audience, one can at least understand the violent insecurity that produces such embarrassing tantrums.

After all, this IS the internet and the whole entire world has access to witness them being held to account by the vile personalities who dare pay close attention to the details.


LOL!

I mean, if you’re gonna go, better go all in, eh? Why not throw tantrums? Why not be self-important, rude, and downright delusional? Why not tie yourself in knots scolding anonymous randos online? There is just so much wrong on the intertubes for caped crusaders to combat valiantly!

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I used to think Ostler was so good, and now he has degenerated to this? Ayiyi........
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Kishkumen wrote:By the way, Ostler was totally lying, and it was a stupid lie to boot. Yakov has his number. Ostler slipped but the world would cave in on itself if, horror of horrors, he should make a mistake like any other normal person.


I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt--he may have just been confused. Whatever the case may be, his reaction seems to suggest that he has some sort of close relationship with Midgley, which is a bit of a scary thought.
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For some reason apologetics now appears to me to being tough, meaning, harsh, meaning mean spirited for most of the time. I guess perhaps they think they come across as being valiant when their peers read them and so its ok to be verbally abusive... What they fail to see is how they look to all others. And until the brethren rein them in, the social problems of people leaving are going to continue. No one wants to be part of a crowd that is so high and mighty arrogant, and so rude and gruff with others. For whatever reason, the apologists simply cannot grasp how they look to the world when they are trying to defend their Gospel.
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Philo Sofee wrote:For some reason apologetics now appears to me to being tough, meaning, harsh, meaning mean spirited for most of the time. I guess perhaps they think they come across as being valiant when their peers read them and so its ok to be verbally abusive... What they fail to see is how they look to all others. And until the brethren rein them in, the social problems of people leaving are going to continue. No one wants to be part of a crowd that is so high and mighty arrogant, and so rude and gruff with others. For whatever reason, the apologists simply cannot grasp how they look to the world when they are trying to defend their Gospel.


Well, it seems to me that the number of jerk apologists is pretty low. You have a core of classic-FARMS jerks, a few more in their orbit, and then their jerky fan club. And, to be fair, even the people who behave like jerks when they do apologetics are not always in that mode. But yes, when they are in that mode, and they show up to comment on something, they tend to look pretty bad. But so too, however, do many of us look bad when we are blowing off steam about Mormonism. There are definitely ex-Mo counterparts to these jerks. And, just as you hear that apologist so and so is really a great guy in person, I am sure the same is true of some highly abrasive ex-Mos.
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