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Dean Robbers,

If I understand your memo correctly, you have articulated a startling reality.

More succinctly, perhaps, that no Christian would refuse, for any money, to stop calling the Devil the Devil.

And by the same logic, you assert that an expressed willingness not to call MD a hate site in exchange for a symbolic monetary prize (donated to charity) betrays a knowledge that this board is, indeed, not a proper hate site at all. Rather, the pejorative is being used as a rhetorical device to elicit a response, likely in retaliation for a specific grievance or a collection of specific grievances.

I believe you have the truth.

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Doctor Scratch wrote:LOL! So, it would seem that Dr. Peterson feels that he's found an ally in you, Dr. Moore! I bet he's been telling you all sorts of tales concerning the mistreatment he's received at the hand of people on this board. And, I bet that he's supplied you with zero links and zero specific examples to support those tales. Still, I'm glad he's chatting with you, and trying to work out a deal whereby he and his close associates have to behave with greater decorum and decency. I mean, so long as they do that, you'll be their ally, right? And, like, agree with them that the folks here are, like, Grade-A Meanies?


Alas, my emails get straight to business and are rather boring. Should I worry that I've shot myself in the foot by showing too little interest in past misdeeds of certain malevolent ne'er-do-wells?

Like Dr. Peterson, and this part is true, I travel entirely too much for work, and have little down-time to entertain games of Meanie or No Meanie. Besides, how unfair would that be to the children, indulging in petty small talk when the greater good is at stake!

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Dr Moore wrote:More succinctly, perhaps, that no Christian would refuse, for any money, to stop calling the Devil the Devil.

QFT.
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Dr Moore wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:LOL! So, it would seem that Dr. Peterson feels that he's found an ally in you, Dr. Moore! I bet he's been telling you all sorts of tales concerning the mistreatment he's received at the hand of people on this board. And, I bet that he's supplied you with zero links and zero specific examples to support those tales. Still, I'm glad he's chatting with you, and trying to work out a deal whereby he and his close associates have to behave with greater decorum and decency. I mean, so long as they do that, you'll be their ally, right? And, like, agree with them that the folks here are, like, Grade-A Meanies?

Alas, my emails get straight to business and are rather boring. Should I worry that I've shot myself in the foot by showing too little interest in past misdeeds of certain malevolent ne'er-do-wells?

What if the deal was "double or nothing" if Dr. Peterson could prove, beyond any reasonable doubt, that the things he alleges are true? For example, he's said many times that people on this board have accused him of being "an anti-Semite." Is that something he can prove? I know, I know: it is not my money to negotiate with. I apologize for my presumptuousness. Still, if I may be so bold, the notion *does* have a certain audacity about it... Well, please pardon the silly reveries of an ever-aging Professor of Mopologetics Studies.
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Philo Sofee wrote:I had no idea you had that site Shades. BOOKMARKED!

Where were you all this time? Even I knew he had it. Sheesh.
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Dr Moore wrote:Hi everyone, how goes it?

Through private emails with Dr. Peterson,

Oh you enjoy that, buddy.
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Louis Midgley Doctor Disco
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DeeDee: "when critics see a noticeable lack of women and racial diversity" with Interpreter?

Yesterday I dealt with a woman who is in charge of seeking peer review for Interpreter? She also sometimes posts on this blog. And both yesterday and today I dealt with a very gifted technical editor on an essay I have written that she is getting ready for publication. From the moment I met her, I have trusted her judgement in editing my work and that of others. And I am confident that Dan did the same. She has exceptionally good judgment.

I wonder how more racial diversity could have possibly impacted either positively or negatively the things I have published.

In addition, I am certain that the couple of times someone has informed me of criticisms of me or something I published that those always snide and uninformed comments had a single thing to do with racial diversity.

And I also doubt that the the place where these two criticisms of which I am aware haf much if any racial diversity. And I doubt that any women post on that board.
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/danp ... nic_world/

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
And the oh so adorable Midgley would be oh so very, VERY, WRONG, wouldn’t he??

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Boy, Dr. Moore, you certainly have your work cut out for you. Check out this latest posting:

DCP wrote:Thus, it’s quite odd to have recently been accused of harboring some sort of bigotry against Hispanics.

Earlier in the month, as is my annual practice, I posted a birthday tribute to my father. In passing, I mentioned that several of the Mexican-American men who worked for my Dad’s small construction company became something like extended family for me, especially when I was just a boy. In some corners of the internet, though, I’m held to be incapable of ever saying anything that’s honest or doing anything that’s good, so it was suggested that my comment about the Mexican-Americans at Dad’s company was a lie. It seems, if I understand correctly, that I’m a bit of an English-only white supremacist, or something of that sort.

I hate to contradict such carefully researched sentiments, but they’re . . . well, false. I was around men like Celestino Beltran (my “Uncle Tino,” when I was really young) and his brother Frank, and Joe Esparza, from the time I was a little boy. And I find it extremely difficult to dislike my grandchildren and my daughters in law.
(Note that there are links connected to the men's names in the OP.)

As is his normal practice, he does not provide a link to the source of these "accusations," but I knew what he was referring to. See for yourself if his characterization is accurate:


Dr. Scratch wrote:DCP has posted--quite literally--tens of thousands and perhaps hundreds of thousands of blog posts, comments, and so forth. Have you ever heard--even once--of him hanging out with a Latinx person--let alone, treating a Mexican-American like an "extended family" member? Were Juan, Jorge, and Armando invited to the last Interpreter party? What about the last Smithmas party? (Or are they not invited because they're Catholic?) Perhaps the lone time I've ever seen him even describe "contact" or interaction with a Latin American person was when he got caught ogling Jennifer Lopez's rear-end on Facebook. I'm calling BS on this particular claim.


No wonder he ever posts a link, right? Unless I'm mistaken, his most recent posting may very well be the first time he has ever mentioned being regularly in the company of people of color. (And it needs to be pointed out that his interactions with those men was from a position of privilege: Peterson's father was their boss.) His original post attempted to portray this as a sort of charitable kind of relationship. Was it? Who knows?

In any event, it was apparently that remark that led him to conclude that he'd been accused of some "sort of bigotry against Hispanics" or of being a "English-only white supremacist." Quite the distortion, no? But this has a bearing on Dr. Robbers's very astute observation concerning the conflicting ethics of the Mopologists. I guess what this shows is that, yes, they view MormonDiscussions.com as a legitimate "hate site," but they are indeed willing to compromise their values for $10,000.
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yes, they view MormonDiscussions.com as a legitimate "hate site," but they are indeed willing to compromise their values for $10,000.

Peterson actually said he wouldn't prostitute himself for money, as he felt this all seemed like asking him to prostitute his own values. Interesting he prostitutes himself by working at BYU and having to make sure to write things with the Brethren's approval and ONLY if what he writes arrives at a conclusion that they are happy with. Do not, under any circumstances let the evidence lead you to a conclusion, make sure the conclusion is firmly in mind, and then gather and write up only the evidence that supports that conclusion, i.e., the church is true, Joseph Smith is innocent of all charges and is a true prophet, the Book of Mormon is true, The current prophet is true, etc. They never have allowed any BYU scholars to ever come to any other conclusions.
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Oh, and I should add that the title of Dr. Peterson's blog entry was, "Thinking about things Hispanic while far from the Hispanic world." Gee, I don't know: if I was about the write a post defending against the notion that I'm insensitive to issues of race and diversity, I would probably think twice about referring to people as "things Hispanic." But, I guess your mileage may vary on that one.
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I don't know about this one, Dr. Scratch. Not your best work.

As a frequent business traveler for the past 20 years, I find myself reflecting on all sorts of odd reminiscences while sitting in airports, lounges, plane seats.

On extended trips, such reflections often take on a dream-like random walk through my sub conscience. It doesn't have to mean anything.

As an illustration, last week while back East (as in Boston-NYC) I lost myself in thoughts of gratitude for trees and plants. Think it started while looking out the window of an airplane, fixated on the tree patterns of a large farm. How trees and plants ask so little - just light and water and dirt. Stuff the earth provides in abundance. Oh, and one more thing. Those silent miracle workers crave our exhaled pollution and reward us with breathable air. No reward necessary. No pet treats, long walks, or words of affirmation required. God, I am thankful for trees.

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Dr Moore wrote:I don't know about this one, Dr. Scratch. Not your best work.

In a bit of solidarity, I’m going to agree with Dr. Moore on this one. While I do feel Mr. Peterson is lying about his experiences, and is using ‘Hispanics’ in ham-handed, inorganic, and clumsy attempt at claiming a sort of diversity virtue shield, Dr. Scratch’s usually spot on observations might’ve been a tad pugilistic.

I do want to take the opportunity to call on Mr. Peterson to make available all the harassing emails he claims he’s received over the years. This is a callout, Mr. Peterson. Time to put up or be confirmed you’re a liar and a deceiver. It is what it is.

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Kiwi57 Dr. Shades
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Not at all. As a dedicated anti-Mormon hate propagandist, you always prefer to insert your spin at every opportunity.

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SMH

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In defense of kiwi, he didn’t refer to this site, but to Dr. shades personally, and with deniability that his remarks were restricted to avenues other than this board.

I need to review my bet with Dr. Moore but kiwi might make me 10$

Not only that, but kiwi, the least corrupt among them, is clearly bowing his knee to a deal with “the devil” so to speak.

My dice are hot; I just can’t lose today!
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I too have completely lost track of our side bet, Dean.

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Gadianton wrote:In defense of kiwi, he didn’t refer to this site, but to Dr. shades personally, and with deniability that his remarks were restricted to avenues other than this board.

I need to review my bet with Dr. Moore but kiwi might make me 10$

Not only that, but kiwi, the least corrupt among them, is clearly bowing his knee to a deal with “the devil” so to speak.

My dice are hot; I just can’t lose today!

Agreed, teaching a math boot camp today so only time to post the comment. On a side note the agreement seems to be leading to some individuals being hit harder- shades, gemli, new guy over there etc.- sorry about that, friends!!!

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Lemmie wrote:On a side note the agreement seems to be leading to some individuals being hit harder- shades, gemli, new guy over there etc.- sorry about that, friends!!!

Heh, there's no need for you to apologize for Kiwi57's comment, Lemmie! :-)
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Dr Moore wrote:SMH


Wow.... Is this the official acknowledgment that the deal is off? This would mean that the Mopologists were not able to reign in their vitriol for even one whole month....
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Lemmie wrote:
Kiwi57 Dr. Shades
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Not at all. As a dedicated anti-Mormon hate propagandist, you always prefer to insert your spin at every opportunity.


Pot/kettle/black.
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Gadianton wrote:In defense of kiwi, he didn’t refer to this site, but to Dr. shades personally, and with deniability that his remarks were restricted to avenues other than this board.


Sadly, Dean Robbers, these were the very clear terms of the deal:

Dr. Moore wrote:1. No derogatory mention of Dr. Shades board, or its members, through end of Feb. 2020. By yourself, and as host of this site, by your good faith effort to moderate such comments by others here.
2. Nothing in the deal limits your range to express conviction on and debate issues of interest.


Referring to Dr. Shades as "a dedicated anti-Mormon hate propagandist" is about as clear a violation of the terms as one could possibly find. Of course, Dr. Moore is the lone arbiter of this deal, so I suppose he could shift the goal posts if he feels like it, but it seems to me that the Mopologists have blown it.


Not only that, but kiwi, the least corrupt among them, is clearly bowing his knee to a deal with “the devil” so to speak.


That is correct.
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14

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