Gadianton wrote:I think Sledge brings up a great point and I hope his comment stands. Stormfront is the perfect example of a hate site, and I'm sure that's what folks have in mind when comparing this site to Stormfront. And that characterization has been made repeatedly.
Suppose for a moment that somehow we got tangled up with Stormfront. Well, in fact, to a limited extent we have. That Ajax guy in off topic was a big Stormfront participant, and a minor board event erupted when that was figured out, and so it's not totally inconceivable. Suppose that it went further, into what could be called a "board war" between this board and Stormfront. Now suppose that a new contributor to Stormfront had been trolling this board a little, but then revealed an interest in seeing the rhetoric toned down between our two boards, and so offers a deal.
I'm assuming everyone can see we've just passed what's conceivable, but I think it will be worth it to flesh it out anyway.
So this new Stormfront participant takes a "position" of some kind, with Stormfront -- I don't know what really exists in that culture but just pretend -- say he becomes a Grand Sentinel of the Stormfront Guard. He offers a deal to us, that if we will quit referring to Stormfront as a "hate site" then he'll donate 10k to the charity of our choice.
So what do we do? Wouldn't it be a horrible betrayal of principle to quit referring to a real hate site as a hate site? The only option to a severe moral lapse, is to implicitly acknowledge that such language had been mere hyperbole and potentially slanderous.
It's really psychologically fascinating some of the twists and turns this wager has taken.
This is exactly correct. My, how I've enjoyed watching them wriggle at the end of the string. It's so true: if they think that MormonDiscussions.com is the equivalent of a Neo-Nazi or white supremacist site--something that is so bad that it ought to be stomped out of existence, and cannot even be mentioned by its actual name--they why on earth would they cave for a mere $10,000? I guess their own values, their own souls, are for sale for the tune of 10 G's?
But we know that's not true. The real answer is that they have been exaggerating and ramping up the aggressive rhetoric for 40+ years. They don't think MormonDiscussions.com is akin to Nazis; they use that kind of language because it amuses them--it's a game to them. They do it because they enjoy it--it makes them feel empowered, and they really like seeing other people in pain. The funny thing is that Midgley seems to have *obeyed* Peterson's orders, which just means that Midgley is every bit the sell-out as DCP. Kiwi, though, has been unable to restrain himself.
Well, I hope that Dr. Moore keeps "thinking about it" until Jan. 31 of 2020. We all know what the answer is at this point. I, personally, am still interested in watching DCP act as if he still has a chance of collecting the $10,000.
And this is, of course, a classic:
Dr. Moore wrote:Through private emails with Dr. Peterson...
LOL! So, it would seem that Dr. Peterson feels that he's found an ally in you, Dr. Moore! I bet he's been telling you all sorts of tales concerning the mistreatment he's received at the hand of people on this board. And, I bet that he's supplied you with zero links and zero specific examples to support those tales. Still, I'm glad he's chatting with you, and trying to work out a deal whereby he and his close associates have to behave with greater decorum and decency. I mean, so long as they do that, you'll be their ally, right? And, like, agree with them that the folks here are, like, Grade-A Meanies?
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14