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I have told this story before; I will now tell it again. Many years ago, I published an essay in the Old Improvement Era entitle "The Christian World Awakens to the Need for Prophets." Immediately after it appeared in print, I received a phone call from Jay Todd, who was the editor of that magazine. He told me that President David O. McKay had phoned to indicate that he had read my essay and really liked it.

However he had one criticism, and wanted me to know what it was. Hence the phone call. Elder McKay disliked my use of the words Mormon, instead of Latter-day Saint, and Mormonism, rather than Church of Jesus Christ or Community of Latter-day Saints. I now don't recall if I used Mormon Church, rather than Church of Jesus Christ.

For just a moment I was annoyed. But very soon I was certain that Elder McKay was right. And from that moment on, I have tried hard avoid Mormon Church, and Mormonism....

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A few problems, with the bolded parts. The second one first: In Midgley’s article, the second sentence uses the phrase “Church of Jesus Christ” to refer to Joseph smith’s Religion. In the first paragraph, he uses the phrase “Latter-day Saint” and “gospel of Jesus Christ” similarly. What was the issue?


But there is a bigger problem, re the first bolded part: Midgley’s article was published in August 1970.

President David O. McKay passed away in January of 1970; Jay Todd published a beautiful story about him in the February 1970 Improvement Era.

Midgley is becoming the new Dunn.

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lol. Love that you caught that.

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Lemmie wrote:But there is a bigger problem, re the first bolded part: Midgley’s article was published in August 1970.

President David O. McKay passed away in January of 1970...
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Has anyone seen Squidgley's marbles?
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Isn’t it wonderful and marvelous that the veil was so thin that President McKay could communicate with Jay Todd from the Spirit World?

My testimony is strengthened by Brother Midgley’s sacred experience of receiving divine guidance from beyond the veil.
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The world has awakened much more since 1970 to the Eastern Wisdom of Alan Watts than to the prophets of Mormonism. That puts a certain kink into Midgley's world view whether he knows it or not. His article did not very much of anything for anyone so far as I can tell. I mean all the prophets have done is focused on shopping and a name change. And before that the prophets themselves were deceived into using "Mormon" as a name of the church and right damn proud of it. So much for needing them, as they were the blind leading the blind. The only logical inference from the current prophet Nelson and his putative revelations from Jesus. Considering the state of the world I'd say Jesus is still on vacation.

GREAT CATCH LEMMIE!!!!!! However, it probably took the magazine a year to get it published, so McKay saw it before it was published and before he died.
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He did say the exchanges happened "immediately after it appeared in print".

Typically "in print" refers to the circulated distribution, not pre-production copies.

Could be a simple error. That was a long time ago.

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Why would it have been published, if the President of the LDS church had a problem with it that he saw when he read it in pre-production?

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Dr Moore wrote:He did say the exchanges happened "immediately after it appeared in print".

Typically "in print" refers to the circulated distribution, not pre-production copies.

Could be a simple error. That was a long time ago.


Good point. I chalk it up to Midgley being so old... he is in his 90's and that's a long time ago to remember. The world, unfortunately for the article's sake, still hasn't made any whoop about prophets in Mormonism. I would chalk that up to the redundant irrelevancies they have been repeating now nigh onto 4 decades. They are the evidence, and their teachings that what I was told in my youth was gaslighting me, namely, Jesus was having weekly meetings with them in the Salt Lake Temple to let them know what he wanted done with his church. Why I never thought of asking the question why doesn't Jesus just stick around and do it himself is beyond me.
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Lemmie wrote:Why would it have been published, if the President of the LDS church had a problem with it that he saw when he read it in pre-production?


A great question! McKay (according to Prince's biography) was not a strictly doctrinal adhering prophet. He was more wishy washy than I had ever supposed. Perhaps the answer lies within that context? Or, Midgley is just doing Dunnisms. I would like to see what Midgley says about it also.The problem is anyone asking him will get banned as they are not just slobbering all over his words in total belief. So they are gonna have to read it from this board and get it back to Midgley.
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What did Midgley say publicly during the I'm a Mormon campaigns and other Mormon themed ones? I wonder if he thought Hinckley and Monson were fallen and leading everyone astray, as the devil claimed his victory.

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Stem wrote:What did Midgley say publicly during the I'm a Mormon campaigns and other Mormon themed ones? I wonder if he thought Hinckley and Monson were fallen and leading everyone astray, as the devil claimed his victory.

Well, during McKay’s tenure as editor of The Improvement Era, the repeating feature on the last page of every edition, every month, every year, for more than a decade, was called:

”Life Among the Mormons.”

If McKay really had a problem with the term, to the extent that he read Midgley’s article and made a phone call objecting to it, he would never have let that feature continue. Plus the terms Mormon, Mormons, and Mormonism were used dozens and dozens of times, in every single edition, every month of the year, every single year.

This is just the usual LDS re-writing of history to keep up with what they have to pretend, with the usual disregard for truthfulness.

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Philo Sofee wrote:
Lemmie wrote:Why would it have been published, if the President of the LDS church had a problem with it that he saw when he read it in pre-production?


A great question! McKay (according to Prince's biography) was not a strictly doctrinal adhering prophet. He was more wishy washy than I had ever supposed. Perhaps the answer lies within that context? Or, Midgley is just doing Dunnisms. I would like to see what Midgley says about it also.The problem is anyone asking him will get banned as they are not just slobbering all over his words in total belief. So they are gonna have to read it from this board and get it back to Midgley.

Good points. Peterson responded to midgley with something that included “memories get garbled.” How generous of him.

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Stem wrote:What did Midgley say publicly during the I'm a Mormon campaigns and other Mormon themed ones? I wonder if he thought Hinckley and Monson were fallen and leading everyone astray, as the devil claimed his victory.


Here's their Catch 22.

Had they spoken out against the "I'm A Mormon" and "Meet The Mormon" campaigns they would have been guilty of not sustaining their leaders. Worse, it would have been classed as being anti-mormon and evil speaking of the Lords anointed.
By not speaking out against the "I'm A Mormon" and "Meet The Mormon" campaigns they have been guilty of supporting Satan.
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Lemmie wrote:Good points. Peterson responded to midgley with something that included “memories get garbled.” How generous of him.

Fortunately, one thing that never gets garbled is the prophetic guidance surrounding the use of "Mormon."
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Lemmie wrote: Peterson responded to midgley with something that included “memories get garbled.” How generous of him.


Yeah, but it’s total ____. Let’s review:

I have told this story before; I will now tell it again. Many years ago, I published an essay in the Old Improvement Era entitle "The Christian World Awakens to the Need for Prophets." Immediately after it appeared in print, I received a phone call from Jay Todd, who was the editor of that magazine. He told me that President David O. McKay had phoned to indicate that he had read my essay and really liked it. However he had one criticism, and wanted me to know what it was. Hence the phone call. Elder McKay disliked my use of the words Mormon, instead of Latter-day Saint, and Mormonism, rather than Church of Jesus Christ or Community of Latter-day Saints. I now don't recall if I used Mormon Church, rather than Church of Jesus Christ.


It’s important to note The Midge claims to have told this story multiple times. It’s unlikely he’s getting the details of it wrong if he’s told it multiple times. Additionally, despite Mr. Peterson’s clumsy attempt to deflect, The Midge states quite clearly he received the call after it went to print.

These lying assholes fib so often they don’t care to read each others’ words carefully, but simply default to a defensive posture that simply requires them to say something, anything, to make the lie palatable; words be damned.

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Dan,

Less contention is always better. I've frequently called out, and expressed my disapproval of Lou for publicly labeling Gemli as "dishonest" time and time again.

Now, Lou is publicly admitting that Gemli is not dishonest. I'm honestly curious as to why Lou has had this change of heart.
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Please keep in mind that one might be bluffing or even dissembling when one suddenly asserts something that they would have to scramble to demonstrate....

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That’s quite a telling statement from the master dissembler.

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Midgley wrote:Ben:

I very much appreciate your calling my attention to the very obvious mistake I made when I wrote the following: "Immediately after it appeared in print," which as you correctly pointed out was a silly, careless mistake on my part--that is, not possible.

I submitted that essay to the Era many months before President McKay passed away. And there was much back and forth over the contents of my essay. Since what I had written was back then seen as both novel and sensitive, Jay Todd, then the editor, had to have it approved by those who both could and then did approve it.
When it was approved, I then received a call from Jay in which he indicated exactly what I said about President McKay's remarks. I asked Jay, if I should make additional changes because of what President McKay had said. I was a bit annoyed because I could see the approval process dragging on and on. Jay then explained that it had been approved as it was. This was a relief, since the editorial back and forth had raised the distint possibility that what I had written and then revised several time would never appear in print. I could have lived with that.


As much as I am committed to living up to what Dr. Midgley has described as my "utterly disgusting" reputation, I felt it would nonetheless be worthwhile to share Prof. Louis "Woody" Midgley's explanation for this apparent discrepancy.
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Huh. That wasn't just a quick correction on a small detail. That was a completely different tale. Weird, that a story he's told multiple times now seems to have completely changed. So weird that.

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Yep, Midgley's explanation is exactly what I thought he would say and I said so...
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Midgley's dialect seems to include an irregular verb:
I made an innocent mistake;
You expressed yourself poorly;
They lied.

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Physics Guy wrote:Midgley's dialect seems to include an irregular verb:
I made an innocent mistake;
You expressed yourself poorly;
They lied.

:lol: well done.

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