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Moksha DanielPeterson • 14 hours ago

I want to feel safe and secure where ever I post. Professor Midgley did leave something of an ambiguous post that more or less said he would only quit hounding me if I ceased posting at Sic et Non and the Shades board. What can be done about that? You know as well as I that it is unhealthy to fixated upon someone to that degree. Can you funnel him into some more worthwhile pursuit?


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DanielPeterson Moksha 13 hours ago

....Moksha: "Can you funnel him into some more worthwhile pursuit?"

I'm encouraging disengagement.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... 4927570578
Probably the single most commonsense comment I’ve ever seen DCP post. Hopefully he has some sway on Midgley’s online stalking and harassing behaviors, be they caused by ill health or just meanness.

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The Midge is a real hoot. My fave is his admitting to contacting the Area Presidency and Stake President so he could definitely not stalk Gina Colvin and/or her husband, half-way around the world in New Zealand. One wonders if his trip was planned for the occasion? Does he have a file on Ms. Colvin? I wouldn't doubt it. Perhaps there is a wall dedicated to her in his house? I once had a case where my client discovered that her husband was cheating on her. She blew up his phone with close to 1 hundred texts in a day and was subsequently charged with texting harassment. One wonders if New Zealand authorities would charge one of our favorite apologists under their harassment laws?

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Dr Exiled wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 9:01 am
The Midge is a real hoot. My fave is his admitting to contacting the Area Presidency and Stake President so he could definitely not stalk Gina Colvin and/or her husband, half-way around the world in New Zealand. One wonders if his trip was planned for the occasion? Does he have a file on Ms. Colvin? I wouldn't doubt it. Perhaps there is a wall dedicated to her in his house? I once had a case where my client discovered that her husband was cheating on her. She blew up his phone with close to 1 hundred texts in a day and was subsequently charged with texting harassment. One wonders if New Zealand authorities would charge one of our favorite apologists under their harassment laws?
This story just gets creepier and creepier. So, Midgley contacted higher-ups in a religion to which he is aware Colvin no longer belongs, in an attempt to pin down where she might be and then asks them to facilitate a meeting. When she isn’t there with her husband, Midgley spins the stake president’s assistance into a story that the husband wanted to meet him, which is blatantly untrue, according to Colvin, herself. Midgley falsely represents himself as friendly, and apparently gets enough info that he is able to spin it into several mean-spirited comments about Colvin’s personal motivations. He shows no signs of stopping either, and is now hinting he has emails showing the LDS church regrets her minor involvement regarding Maori/LDS history in the Saints volume, chapters of which where available online last summer.

I wonder if the original reason for all of this stalking is that Midgley is feeling snubbed that his church didn’t come to him for that section of Saints, so he is directing his anger toward the person they did go to?

Yes, this all certainly qualifies as creepy stalking by an angry man. The fact that LDS leaders assisted doesn’t reflect well on them.

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Lemmie wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 9:46 am
Dr Exiled wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 9:01 am
The Midge is a real hoot. My fave is his admitting to contacting the Area Presidency and Stake President so he could definitely not stalk Gina Colvin and/or her husband, half-way around the world in New Zealand. One wonders if his trip was planned for the occasion? Does he have a file on Ms. Colvin? I wouldn't doubt it. Perhaps there is a wall dedicated to her in his house? I once had a case where my client discovered that her husband was cheating on her. She blew up his phone with close to 1 hundred texts in a day and was subsequently charged with texting harassment. One wonders if New Zealand authorities would charge one of our favorite apologists under their harassment laws?
This story just gets creepier and creepier. So, Midgley contacted higher-ups in a religion to which he is aware Colvin no longer belongs, in an attempt to pin down where she might be and then asks them to facilitate a meeting. When she isn’t there with her husband, Midgley spins the stake president’s assistance into a story that the husband wanted to meet him, which is blatantly untrue, according to Colvin, herself. Midgley falsely represents himself as friendly, and apparently gets enough info that he is able to spin it into several mean-spirited comments about Colvin’s personal motivations. He shows no signs of stopping either, and is now hinting he has emails showing the LDS church regrets her minor involvement regarding Maori/LDS history in the Saints volume, chapters of which where available online last summer.

I wonder if the original reason for all of this stalking is that Midgley is feeling snubbed that his church didn’t come to him for that section of Saints, so he is directing his anger toward the person they did go to?

Yes, this all certainly qualifies as creepy stalking by an angry man. The fact that LDS leaders assisted doesn’t reflect well on them.
The more I think about it, the snub scenario seems to be the most logical for his behavior. He talks so incessantly about New Zealand that he probably believes that he is the only one to tell the story. It reminds me of the first time I came into contact with the Midge. I was at a New Zealand missionary society function with family and some ward members back in the 70's. I was young and running around the stake center in the Rose Park area of Salt Lake City when I heard some sharp words. The Midge was upset that the gatherings were always in the Rose Park stake center and that area of Salt Lake City was beneath him. He was also upset that those from Salt Lake City controlled the presidency of the society and he let everyone know, especially Elder Simpson, the GA that was heavily involved in the society.

The Midge was a jerk back then and this is more of the same.

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Wow, Dr. Exiled. How insulting that must have been to hear his take on unsuitable areas. I keep hearing stories like this about Midgley. He’s had a finger in everyone’s pie, it seems!

This may be a story for Doctor Scratch to follow up on, at this point. I took a quick look into the New Zealand privacy acts, and it seems that Midgley’s involvement of the Area and Stake Presidencies in locating the congregation of and then arranging a meeting with the member spouse of a woman, and/or the woman herself who is no longer a member of their church may have violated the law regarding how churches can use and share personal information. Doctor Scratch? Any thoughts?

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Big Baby Lou continues to mew!

"And Moksha thinks that my comment was "something of an ambiguous post." One who is constantly sneering at the faith of others, who is himself perfectly unfaithful, sometimes really nasty, is now begging Professor to "funnel [me] into some more worthwhile pursuit," since he thinks that "it is unhealthy to [be] fixated upon someone to that degree." Should Moksha give some attention to his own obsession, which is sneering at the faith of Latter-day Saints?"

"gemli joins Moksha! I don't think that poor gemli knows what he is getting into. He should flee before he is gobbled up by Shades. Rats! I keep forgetting that Shades wants to be known as fake Dr. Shades."

I suppose if anyone knows anything about sneering and bitching about others it'd be Big Baby Lou Midgley!

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Louis Midgley DanielPeterson • an hour ago • edited

The fact is that the Little Old Donkey is crowing about how the second volume of Saints shows that
Church historians see Marjorie Newton as the one qualified to be consulted and recommended on Maori matters. They actually did, until someone sent them a link to my review of Newton's Mormon and Maori. I was not the one who sent this to them. They were shocked.

And I have in my possession two email messages where "they" are now making every effort to claim that Newton hardly had a thing to do with what got published. I don't believe a word of this.


Instead, Newton called attention to an essay by Ian Barber that appeared in a Special Issue of the Journal of Mormon History, that was edited by Gina Colvin. And this essay was recruited to respond to me, without mentioning my name or what I have published, but going after Dr. Robert Joseph instead. That essay is recommended in volume two of Saints. In addition, Ian Barber spent a year in the Sociology Department at BYU. He is still here in Utah working on a book. https://history.utah.edu/un....

He read a paper at the Mormon History conference in Salt Lake, and I had a long and very useful conversation with him after that session. He admitted that I had crushed Marjorie Newton's Mormon and Maori. I pointed out that Newton claims that Ian Barber was the one who coached her on Maori things. Oh that was a wonderful conversation. But we did not talk about his own essay that Gina Colvin had him write for that issue of the JMH.

I fully agree that I have better things to do than joust with Dr. Velho Burrinho MD.

http://disq.us/p/29iarkc
[Regarding the bolding, given Midgley’s penchant for exaggeration, I don’t believe a word of it either.]

This:
“ And this essay was recruited to respond to me, without mentioning my name or what I have published, but going after Dr. Robert Joseph instead. ”

How paranoid do you have to be to claim something was a response to you, even though not only was your name not mentioned, but another’s was?

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The fact is that the Little Old Donkey is crowing about how the second volume of Saints shows that Church historians see Marjorie Newton as the one qualified to be consulted and recommended on Maori matters.
The fact is that that was the only contemporary scholarly book cited in the footnotes. I don’t know how it could more clear on what the church wanted to present, and what they found authoritative.

Midgley can continue with his confabulation and fairy tales. Anyone whom he talked to probably didn’t have any authority in the decision and just wanted Midgley to quit bothering them.

It is funny that he is now strutting around his playpen acting like he proved something. Since DCP banned me Midgley can sit behind the fence like the coward he is.

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Big Baby Lou boo hoos with this really interesting tidbit:

"I think that Blair Hodges was that source of my email. In January 1-2 Dr. Velho Burrinho boasted that he is tight with an important person in the Neal A. Maxwell Institute. And that it was someone who had strong opinions about the harm that apologists have done."

Really. Blair. Would you like to respond to this accusation?

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Midgeley seems to be “triggered” by strong, educated, credible women being taken seriously on topics where he is largely ignored - Colvin, Newton...What’s next for Midge, an unannounced visit to Newton’s ward where he can insincerely attempt to befriend Newton’s husband whilst spouting off about how bad a scholar Marjorie is?

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I was young and running around the stake center in the Rose Park area of Salt Lake City when I heard some sharp words. The Midge was upset that the gatherings were always in the Rose Park stake center and that area of Salt Lake City was beneath him
This really rubs me the wrong way. I have relatives from Rose Park; good Mormon people. He think he is better than they are? Truly he's got "Great White God" syndrome.

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Gadianton wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 9:57 pm
I was young and running around the stake center in the Rose Park area of Salt Lake City when I heard some sharp words. The Midge was upset that the gatherings were always in the Rose Park stake center and that area of Salt Lake City was beneath him
This really rubs me the wrong way. I have relatives from Rose Park; good Mormon people. He think he is better than they are? Truly he's got "Great White God" syndrome.
Yeah, that Rose Park stake center was always the gathering place for the New Zealand Missionary Society back then and I think still to this day, except for the time when the Midge got his way. I'll have to ask the people I know about what they remember about the incident.

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I just ran across this, for those interested in the shameful ban of Dr. LOD from Sic et Non.
DCP wrote:His nasty, repeated accusation of anti-Maori racism against Professor Midgley was a factor, of course. As you know, Kiwi57, I've traveled with Professor Midgley in Aotearoa, and I've witnessed his feelings for the Maori at first hand both there and here in the States, as well as their feelings for him.

But that wasn't actually the final straw. The final straw, indicative of his hateful obsession with Louis Midgley, was his adoption of a clowned-up, mocking image of Professor Midgley as his avatar here (and elsewhere). That, in my view, revealed a level of obsessive personal malice that simply isn't welcome here on my blog. It effectively made every post of his, whatever its subject -- though, frankly, Vegan Burrito seemed increasingly to have only one subject -- an attack on Louis Midgley.
Wow, does he miss the mark in the first paragraph. That in no way describes Dr. LOD, from what I've seen. Dr. LOD, from what I have seen, has never said anything that contradicts claims about Midgley's "feelings for the Maori". Caring for the Maori is absolutely compatible with having a "Great White God" complex, imperialist ambitions, and fevered religious delusions.

And then, lol, Dr. LOD's av is all in good fun. The Good Professor needs to lighten up and have a laugh now and again.

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Quite possibly the most bizarre (and lame) excuse I've ever heard for banning someone. They *cracked a visual joke*, and that merits censorship? This really does seem like a case where they just couldn't handle Dr. LOD's superior mental skills and arguments. And don't forget that he adopted that avatar only *after* Midgley et al. began calling him "Vegan Burrito," or whatever.

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Actually Daniel Peterson it started this way. I brought up rather gently how Midgelys relationship with the Maori was more about how they and their culture supported his religious views. By distorting their history, in short cultural appropriation. The old Professor recognized my subtle critique.
Midgley did something I didn’t expect he accused me of being racist towards the Maori. He has denied doing this. But he did. He even did it to another individual in the comment section of his temper tantrum of an article from your “so called journal” look up the comments from RWatson.

Sometime later Simon Southernton pointed out a quote that in its context is actually quite offensive and racist. I believe it was “muddling with the Lamanites.”
So in my mind it is pretty clear what Professor Midgley thinks of people whom the church has called Lamanites for the last almost two hundred years. And the Maori whom he considers Nephites.

That is something that the editor should have identified and changed. Since they didn’t I would have to assume that they agreed with that statement.

Lastly I don’t know what you call a white man who is stupid enough to tell an indigenous woman she doesn’t belong to her people, as he did repeatedly to Professor Gina Colvin, other than a ugly racist.

And we didn’t even address the infamous Martin Luther King posts yet.

Dan your “Final Straw” rant about my rather handsome and distinguished avatar is amusing and wrong. I made it and posted it after my ban by you. How about you call it the “final final straw, after the fact.”

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Gadianton wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 9:57 pm
I was young and running around the stake center in the Rose Park area of Salt Lake City when I heard some sharp words. The Midge was upset that the gatherings were always in the Rose Park stake center and that area of Salt Lake City was beneath him
This really rubs me the wrong way. I have relatives from Rose Park; good Mormon people. He think he is better than they are? Truly he's got "Great White God" syndrome.
My dad served a mission in Polynesia we went to many church meetings, weddings, and funerals in those areas of town. I don’t remember him having such an attitude, about the poorer parts of town.

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I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the mustache, pipe, and sunglasses take a good 20 years off of Midgley's age, making him look a spritely 70.

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moksha wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 2:40 am
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the mustache, pipe, and sunglasses take a good 20 years off of Midgley's age, making him look a spritely 70.
Pretty fragile and thin skinned if that bothered them.

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Dr LOD wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 8:11 am
moksha wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 2:40 am
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the mustache, pipe, and sunglasses take a good 20 years off of Midgley's age, making him look a spritely 70.
Pretty fragile and thin skinned if that bothered them.
I thought it looked like a little like an old guy into steampunk, old outside and young inside.

Lastly I don’t know what you call a white man who is stupid enough to tell an indigenous woman she doesn’t belong to her people, as he did repeatedly to Professor Gina Colvin, other than a ugly racist.
Yes. It’s stunning Peterson thinks statements like that show how much Midgley cares for and loves Maori people. Just not the ones who disagree with him and/or leave his religion, which is apparently ok to post on Sic et Non.

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Big Baby Lou Midgetly continues to attack and mock Moksha today, wrapping up his Christlike behavior with a deliberate misspelling of Moksha’s handle. Wasn’t the Midgetly whining and crying about people mocking him by misspelling his name recently? I believe so.

BYU professor. Mormon priesthood holder.

edit: It appears that the Big Baby Lou Midgetly, after obsessively checking this board has edited Moksha’s handle to accurately reflect the correct spelling. Now, Lou, if you can keep extending those kindnesses I’m sure they’ll be returned in kind. If you go an entire month without misspelling anyone’s handle I’ll return to this thread and change all references to you to Professor Midgley.

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Gadianton wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 9:57 pm
I was young and running around the stake center in the Rose Park area of Salt Lake City when I heard some sharp words. The Midge was upset that the gatherings were always in the Rose Park stake center and that area of Salt Lake City was beneath him
This really rubs me the wrong way. I have relatives from Rose Park; good Mormon people. He think he is better than they are? Truly he's got "Great White God" syndrome.
Like I have said before, Elohim Jr. in the flesh... that's what Mormons are taught from mamas breast to the coffin. It just goes to some heads earlier than others is all.

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