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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
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I’m convinced Dowsin’ Dan actually hates the peckerhead.

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Dr. Cam,

You're probably correct. DCP doesn't have any real friends. He defines "friend" as someone who can help further his goals. He has a long history of dropping his "friends" like a hot potato as soon as they no longer believe or no longer can help him.

It may very well be that Midgley is now viewed by DCP as a liability, for various reasons.

It would be very interesting research paper for Cassisus.
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Lemmie wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:23 pm
Midgley

our message resonates with Blacks everywhere. But if we had made any real effort to take our message to Blacks early on, we would have become a Black Church, and then Europeans would have refused to join a Black Church. I have come to realize that the Lord has his own way of doing things.
Oh my god.
Professor Lemmie,

Oh my god, indeed.
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Glen Danielsen • 4 hours ago • edited

This is a choice article.
It points to the fact that the Revelation on the Priesthood was in fact actually a revelation from God. It follows, I think, that the priesthood ban—awful as it was, was at least allowed by God, perhaps to permit our newly-birthed Church a chance to survive in a racist frontier America....

But the ban itself, loathsome and painful as it was, had purpose—to ensure the survival of our church in the civil war-era nation, when it barely survived as it was. Just my viewpoint.

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DanielPeterson Mod Glen Danielsen • 2 hours ago • edited

I've toyed with your suggested explanation myself, and think it may be correct.

http://disq.us/p/2bore9h
Peterson agrees with this racist explanation?!!

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Good lord, I hope Doctor Scratch is taking notes on this for 2020 top 10. I think this might be the #1 worst apologetic ever.

GD's presence there should be interesting. Has Kiwi57 upvoted any of these comments or agreed with them, surely he wouldn't?
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.

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DCP and Midgley getting ready for an Interpreter Board Meeting:

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Tom wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:43 am
Dr. Midgley opining on the priesthood and temple ban:
As is now known there were Blacks who joined the Church of Jesus Christ early on. In New Zealand, beginning on Christmas Day in 1882, Maori began to join the Church because they had their own matakite (seers) who prepared them for our missionaries and their message, which fits snugly with the most authentic of ancient Maori lore. And soon the Church of Jesus Christ in New Zealand was primarily Maori. Sixty eight years later, the community of Saints in New Zealand was essentially Maori, and it was difficult to get Pakeha (Europeans) to join what they saw as a Maori Church. Now, of course, the Church is like the United Nations in New Zealand.

I have thought about this for many years. When I was in San Francisco in 1950 waiting to board the SS Sanom, and travel to New Zealand, I had for our five conversations with Blacks while six missionaries were waiting to board that freighter to spend a month traveling to New Zealand. But the other missionaries were not at all happy with my having a conversation with Blacks. I troubled me, but I did not cease doing so, or get into an argument with those five other missionaries. What I discovered then is that out our message resonates with Blacks everywhere. But if we had made any real effort to take our message to Blacks early on, we would have become a Black Church, and then Europeans would have refused to join a Black Church. I have come to realize that the Lord has his own way of doing things.
This is one of the most bizarre explanations I’ve seen.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... 5060314667
Quite stunning and yet, somehow, also not that surprising. It makes a certain amount of sense that Midgley would admire and pray to a God who is deliberately racist towards Black people in an effort to gain new converts from the ranks of racist white people. And Midgley marvels at the apparent "cleverness" of this!

Sheesh. He ought to understand why something like this--"I discovered then is that out our message resonates with Blacks everywhere"--is problematic. What makes him think that he's got any business speaking on behalf of anyone else? Just think of how incensed he gets when, e.g., Gina Colvin or Rodney Meldrum weighs in on what "Mormons everywhere" think? And yet I think they've got far more of an "insider" status than Midgley does.

In any case, it's interesting to note that, at the same time that this is being posted to "Sic et Non," Dr. Peterson is busy trying to get a host of people banned just for downvoting comments.

ETA: I noticed that Midgley downvoted one of Glen Danielson's comments concerning the priesthood ban.
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Here's an exercise in logic for the apologists. Suppose they are right that the "gospel message" resonates with blacks. Now suppose that they are also right that the lord brought the message to whites first, knowing that because they are racists, they wouldn't accept it if too many blacks joined. Wouldn't that later fact also count as part of the overall gospel plan? And so aren't they really saying that the gospel resonates with blacks, including the great truth that blacks were kept from the gospel initially so as not to offend the white racists?

What kind of crack are they smoking over there? Do they know that crack is against the world of wisdom, even f it isn't specifically mentioned in the D&C?
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.

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The peckerhead doubles down:

“Louis Midgley > Fred Kratz

Fred Kratz: Exactly what skin pigment meter determines who now qualifies as "Black" in Black Lives Matter protests? Are these protests, some of which have turned into riots with looting and property damage being done by those who are clearly "Blacks" in both Salt Lake and Provo? I have never seen much indication that Fred Kratz views much of anything but through a strange dislike of the faith of Latter-day Saints lens.”

“... turned into riots with looting and property damage being done by those who are clearly "Blacks"...”

The vast majority of rioting in Salt Lake City and Provo were done by White people. Why did he accuse “the Blacks” of protest-related rioting in Salt Lake City and Provo?

A BYU professor has allowed another BYU professor to post this misinformation.

This is BYU.

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Midgley

... turned into riots with looting and property damage being done by those who are clearly "Blacks"...
Peterson left this up?


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I just want to note both BYU professors have left this peckerhead comment up:

“... who now qualifies as "Black" in Black Lives Matter protests? Are these protests, some of which have turned into riots with looting and property damage being done by those who are clearly "Blacks" in both Salt Lake and Provo?“

“... looting and property damage being done by those who are clearly “Blacks” in both Salt Lake and Provo.”

“... being done by those who are clearly “Blacks”...”

“... who are clearly “Blacks”...”

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:49 pm
Still up:


https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... 5060501625

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Part of me wants to notify Patheos of this horribly racist comment so they will take it down, but part of me wants it to stand as a public monument for Louis Midgley’s racism.

I also feel sorry that Midgley doesn’t have any real friends that would gently encourage him to edit his post in order to salvage what little remains of his reputation.

Mopologetics is a harsh mistress.
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Midgley wrote:What I discovered then is that out our message resonates with Blacks everywhere. But if we had made any real effort to take our message to Blacks early on, we would have become a Black Church, and then Europeans would have refused to join a Black Church. I have come to realize that the Lord has his own way of doing things.
Of course! The bigotry of whites needed to drive the policies of the LDS Church for expediency. The Europeans would stay away and the Lord would not like that one bit. Lou has a firm handle on Church motivations.
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Midgley wrote:What I discovered then is that out our message resonates with Blacks everywhere. But if we had made any real effort to take our message to Blacks early on, we would have become a Black Church, and then Europeans would have refused to join a Black Church. I have come to realize that the Lord has his own way of doing things.
So, according to this so-called insight, the Lord had a choice when it came to restoring the Church.

He could have chosen to restore a Church that took it's message to both Black and White folk but because the message would have been roundly embraced by His Black children it would have been off putting to His White children and they would have chosen to not join the Church.

Instead He chose to exclude His Black children from the message to allow the church to initially become "White" with the plan to belatedly include His Black children in the hopes they would join a predominantly "White" church.

Has there ever been a more racism-laced apologetic proffered for the Priesthood/Temple Ban?

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DCP:

in view of my wife’s reduced mobility following a recent surgery, a friend unexpectedly but very kindly brought dinner over

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... elons.html
Sigh. Not because she was recovering and DCP was tending to her? No. Because she wasn’t able to get up and prepare food for the helpless sexist.

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I have a question wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:54 am
Midgley wrote:What I discovered then is that out our message resonates with Blacks everywhere. But if we had made any real effort to take our message to Blacks early on, we would have become a Black Church, and then Europeans would have refused to join a Black Church. I have come to realize that the Lord has his own way of doing things.
So, according to this so-called insight, the Lord had a choice when it came to restoring the Church.

He could have chosen to restore a Church that took it's message to both Black and White folk but because the message would have been roundly embraced by His Black children it would have been off putting to His White children and they would have chosen to not join the Church.

Instead He chose to exclude His Black children from the message to allow the church to initially become "White" with the plan to belatedly include His Black children in the hopes they would join a predominantly "White" church.

Has there ever been a more racism-laced apologetic proffered for the Priesthood/Temple Ban?
I remember hearing this apologetic around the time of the ban being lifted. I thought it officially died with the "we just don't know" apologetic contained in the race and the priesthood church essay.
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Setting some sort of Internet record for self-referential posting, the Peckerhead continues to violate Disqus’ rules and attack gemli with zero moderation from the blog’s owner:

“Louis Midgley talking to Louis Midgley

It seems that Louis Midgley, who seems to be a real person, who posts under his real name, has drawn the same five downvotes from the Dunce, even when he intentionally did not include even one lovely or sour word in one of his two comments. And please also notice that gemli, did not reply to Midgley's scolding because he never ever reads one of Professor Peterson's blog items, if it contains information on the actual faith of someone, rather than a mention of science, which triggers gemli's miserably uniformed comments.

Recently Professor Peterson actually mentioned that "There are those — some of them read my blog — who appear to argue that science is the only valid kind of knowledge, and that anything that isn’t scientific isn’t really knowledge."

Professor Peterson then quoted from Truth and Method, a famous book by Hans-Georg Gadamer, in which he demonstrated that history provides knowledge even though it is not a science. And gemli, who has posted comments over eight thousand times, neglected to respond to a blog item that demonstrated that the scientism of gemli arbitrarily rules out history as a source of valuable knowledge.”

This one has it all. Louis “peckerhead” Midgley talking to himself, kvetching about fake Internet points, victimhood, attacking others, and then tickling the fat man’s balls.

Wonderful!

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This is what irritates Midgley:
And please also notice that gemli did not reply to Midgley's scolding
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What’s so miserable about the uniforms on gemli’s comments? Floppy berets? Bulky epaulettes?

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