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moksha wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:02 pm
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The Lounatic jumps in with this insult directed at Moksha, “The nitwit opines again.“

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Moksha Nancy Roper Hymas • 2 days ago • edited
Are you suggesting that Herod was a collaborator with the Strengthening the Roman Empire Committee (SREC)?

Louis Midgley Moksha • 2 days ago
The nitwit opines again.

Moksha Louis Midgley • 2 days ago
Lou, are you saying that the SREC was perhaps before your time?

Louis Midgley Moksha • 16 hours ago
No! I was saying that MOKSHA is playing he nitwit again.

Moksha Louis Midgley • 12 hours ago
Pretty sure Yoda would phrase that as, "Moksha, nitwit he is".
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Moksha, you, like Dr. Scratch, are playing chess with them with delightful humor, and they think its Rugby. No wonder they cannot fathom your amazing puns, delightful zingers (even against yourself!) and witty comeback, all with good humor and pazzazz. They are so practiced at being dullards in imitation of their church leaders brethren, humor evades them perpetually.
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Midgley going off the rails from the Peterson narrative. Whoops.
There does seem to be some confabulation in this rambling post.

So yes he does confirm a SCMC, as well as forwarding the committee certain names of people.
I am not sure how turning in names to the SCMC makes him a racist as he says in the opening sentence. He is a racist not because of him being white, but because of his behaviors.
I was recently accused by someone who insists that merely because I happen to be a white male, I am a racist, that my insistence that I have never ever one turned tattled to what is called the Strengthening Church Members Committee (SCMC), was "quite amusing and dishonest" because "just about anyone who is familiar with you, friend and foe, knows the gross inaccuracies in that statement." Really? I happen to have been a very close friend of a Seventy who for three years was assigned, among other committees, to serve on the SCMC.

Once he grilled me about FAIR--aka Fair Mormon--for several hours. I showed him how to access that truly remarkable Wiki, which provides accurate, detailed responses to a very large number of questions. And I mentioned that this was the work of about three people, who I named. Was that turning them in? I don't think so. I then explained that what my own volunteer effort with FAIR amounted to was responding to questions sent to FAIR. One of these was from John Dehlin's older sister. I have become very good friends with her and her husband.

I answered over five hundred questions sent to FAIR. And in all but a dozen instances ended up making friends with those I had not previously known, including more than a dozen in New Zealand. I showed my friend how is a Seventy perhaps a dozen of these exchanges that were then available on my phone, which he read, and copied to show to other members of the SCMC. At that time five key Seventy, and an Apostle, and Professor Peterson were busy working on a report to what is called the Area Committee about whether or how the Church should support FAIR, Interpreter and Book of Mormon Central. The result was a public endorsement of all three as solid sources of information for Latter-day Saints.

One should keep in mind the name of this committee. I doubt that it is possible for anyone to turn anyone in. I can't imagine how that could be done. Does anyone actually know how to contact the SCMC? I don't. It is, of course, possible that a part of the job of the paid secretary to that committee is to provide the Brethren with what can be found being spouted by dissidents in public so that this public information can be sent to their Stake Presidents.

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Midgley going off the rails from the Peterson narrative. Whoops.
There does seem to be some confabulation in this rambling post.

So yes he does confirm a SCMC, as well as forwarding the committee certain names of people.
I am not sure how turning in names to the SCMC makes him a racist as he says in the opening sentence. He is a racist not because of him being white, but because of his behaviors.
I was recently accused by someone who insists that merely because I happen to be a white male, I am a racist, that my insistence that I have never ever one turned tattled to what is called the Strengthening Church Members Committee (SCMC), was "quite amusing and dishonest" because "just about anyone who is familiar with you, friend and foe, knows the gross inaccuracies in that statement." Really? I happen to have been a very close friend of a Seventy who for three years was assigned, among other committees, to serve on the SCMC.

Once he grilled me about FAIR--aka Fair Mormon--for several hours. I showed him how to access that truly remarkable Wiki, which provides accurate, detailed responses to a very large number of questions. And I mentioned that this was the work of about three people, who I named. Was that turning them in? I don't think so. I then explained that what my own volunteer effort with FAIR amounted to was responding to questions sent to FAIR. One of these was from John Dehlin's older sister. I have become very good friends with her and her husband.

I answered over five hundred questions sent to FAIR. And in all but a dozen instances ended up making friends with those I had not previously known, including more than a dozen in New Zealand. I showed my friend how is a Seventy perhaps a dozen of these exchanges that were then available on my phone, which he read, and copied to show to other members of the SCMC. At that time five key Seventy, and an Apostle, and Professor Peterson were busy working on a report to what is called the Area Committee about whether or how the Church should support FAIR, Interpreter and Book of Mormon Central. The result was a public endorsement of all three as solid sources of information for Latter-day Saints.

One should keep in mind the name of this committee. I doubt that it is possible for anyone to turn anyone in. I can't imagine how that could be done. Does anyone actually know how to contact the SCMC? I don't. It is, of course, possible that a part of the job of the paid secretary to that committee is to provide the Brethren with what can be found being spouted by dissidents in public so that this public information can be sent to their Stake Presidents.
This post by Midgley cracks me up. It’s like a law and order case where he is the witness, the rebuttal to the witness, and the rebuttal to the rebuttal, all rolled into one.

First, he denies:

....my insistence that I have never ever one turned tattled to what is called the Strengthening Church Members Committee (SCMC),
Then he cross-examines himself, as a rebuttal to his own denial:

.... I answered over five hundred questions sent to FAIR.... I showed my friend how is a Seventy perhaps a dozen of these exchanges that were then available on my phone, which he read, and copied to show to other members of the SCMC.
And then, on redirect, he contradicts his own testimony!

I doubt that it is possible for anyone to turn anyone in. I can't imagine how that could be done. Does anyone actually know how to contact the SCMC? I don't.
All in one single post.

Surely he is being facetious here, or has the Mormon method of redefining words to deny behaviors convinced him that no one will notice? This is unbelievable.

Midgley concludes with what I can only assume is a PSA to teach righteous Mormons how to rat on fellow members, or maybe a Senior Missionary job description.

It is, of course, possible that a part of the job of the paid secretary to that committee is to provide the Brethren with what can be found being spouted by dissidents in public so that this public information can be sent to their Stake Presidents.

Unreal.
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Midgley is a double - triple - quadruple agent of duplicity.... and stupidity. And of course, his followers love it.
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:35 pm
Midgley is a double - triple - quadruple agent of duplicity.... and stupidity. And of course, his followers love it.
Almost time for DCP to consider taking away the keys to the car. Midgley made Peterson look like a fool. Thanks Professor Midgley.

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Dr LOD wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:54 pm
Philo Sofee wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:35 pm
Midgley is a double - triple - quadruple agent of duplicity.... and stupidity. And of course, his followers love it.
Almost time for DCP to consider taking away the keys to the car. Midgley made Peterson look like a fool. Thanks Professor Midgley.

DCP later posts this to put some damage control spin on Midgleys post.
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DanielPeterson Louis Midgley 5 hours ago
http://disq.us/p/2ahsw2l

LM: "Once he grilled me about FAIR"

LOL. You need to watch such language. Those of us who know you have no problem understanding it, but the poor folks in the Ex-LDS chapter of QAnon who are in the grip of Midgley Derangement Syndrome will immediately and immovably conjure up an image of thumb screws, hypodermic needles, and the rack.

LM: "I doubt that it is possible for anyone to turn anyone in. I can't imagine how that could be done. Does anyone actually know how to contact the SCMC? I don't."

Nor do I.

Funny, isn't it? Since, between us, we've supposedly turned multiple innocents in over the years, you might imagine that we would have at least some idea of how it's done.

LM: "I showed my friend who is a Seventy perhaps a dozen of these exchanges that were then available on my phone, which he read, and copied to show to other members of the SCMC."

One grimly determined misreader has already interpreted the sentence immediately above as your confession that, in conversation with a friend who happens to be a Seventy, you actually did rat several people out. Apparently, that's how it's done:

First, the member wishing to turn a traitor in locates a General Authority whom he or she has known for years, since long before the GA's call to Salt Lake City.

Then, pretending simply to share with the GA some examples of good work that's being done in order to help members with questions -- work that would presumably interest a decent church leader in a decent church for pastoral reasons -- the vast majority of whom the wannabe-spy claims to consider friends, the intrepid zealot shows the GA some of those exchanges.

This must, of course, all be interpreted in the most hostile and paranoid fashion, presuming hostile and vindictive intent on the part of both GA and viciously hopeful spy. Neither of them can be allowed to have honorable motives, let alone pastoral ones.

LM: "I mentioned that this was the work of about three people, who I named."

And, here, you've admitted that you also ratted those three people out. The horror of it! She probably doesn't understand that lengthy conversations with General Authorities whom one knew before their calling to Church leadership can't be the ordinary modus operandi for reporting people to the SCMC, and that identifying three friends who are doing commendable and excellent work to a fourth friend is scarcely the kind of betrayal to the Gestapo that she's so desperately trying to see.

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Dr LOD wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:54 pm
Philo Sofee wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:35 pm
Midgley is a double - triple - quadruple agent of duplicity.... and stupidity. And of course, his followers love it.
Almost time for DCP to consider taking away the keys to the car. Midgley made Peterson look like a fool. Thanks Professor Midgley.
They both bounce off each other rather handily for us I must say..... :lol:
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This was the most significant thing that Midgley said in the vein of the most recent quotes above:
Louis Midgley wrote:Is there anyone who really doubts that Paul Toscano, D. Michael Quinn, Grant Palmer, Seve Benson, Simon Southerton, George D. Smith, Thomas Murphy, Gina Colvin, or John Dehlin had not each made such a huge public stink about their own apostasy that they courted and even demanded facing Church discipline? No one had to turn them in, since they were dedicated to doing that themselves.
These were all people that the Mopologists have "targeted." And yet the Mopologists object to that characterization: they seem to think that they're blameless in all of this. Never mind the fact that it's not as if anyone was "forcing" them to pen multiple essays on Palmer, Quinn, and the others. If the people Midgley names were "dedicated to doing that themselves," then why was a Mopologetic response needed at all? This is really Midgley admitting what he actually thinks: i.e., "They got what they deserved!"
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Excellent points Dr. Scratch. Actually, if Jesus really, in truth, is running the show, why is any apologetic ever offered on any subject? It's all about pandering their egos for the congregations of followers. It's all about the apologists showing off. We are smarter than everyone else, therefore we are right because we have the truth. Only those with degrees like us ought to be allowed to write and defend, the rest of you just believe us. They have literally replaced the point of the prophets and apostles who are the ones who are supposed to be in the know with Jesus. Even Gee has now said ONLY those with degrees in Egyptology have any right to speak about the Book of Abraham. Well that throws out ALL of the brethren, beginning with Joseph Smith right up to today, July 12, 2020 now doesn't it............all hail the new Mormon gods, the degree holding professors and Mopologists!
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Philo Sofee wrote:
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Excellent points Dr. Scratch. Actually, if Jesus really, in truth, is running the show, why is any apologetic ever offered on any subject? It's all about pandering their egos for the congregations of followers. It's all about the apologists showing off. We are smarter than everyone else, therefore we are right because we have the truth. Only those with degrees like us ought to be allowed to write and defend, the rest of you just believe us. They have literally replaced the point of the prophets and apostles who are the ones who are supposed to be in the know with Jesus. Even Gee has now said ONLY those with degrees in Egyptology have any right to speak about the Book of Abraham. Well that throws out ALL of the brethren, beginning with Joseph Smith right up to today, July 12, 2020 now doesn't it............all hail the new Mormon gods, the degree holding professors and Mopologists!
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This is why people shouldn’t give any additional IRL information to Louis Midgley. He has taken a single comment from Dr. Shades, added in his utterly predictable mendaciousness and come up with this grotesquerie:

Louis Midgley Dr. Shades an hour ago

I thought that Dr. Shades had an Epiphany some three years back when he thought that he had become a Deist, only to discover that he had not understood how to properly label his experience. Since he has, it seems, come to acknowledge that God cares for and may respond to the pleadings of those who genuinely trust him, he should not be asking if such an a desire for divine assistance "works." Faith in God is not a magical trick that one can use to fix things. I suggest that Dr. Shades should get a little booklet by N. T. Wright entitled God and the Pandemic: A Christian Reflection on the Coronavirus and its Aftermath (Zondervan, 2020). This is only 76 pages and hence it is not like I was suggesting that he build on whatever it was that he cannot find the words to describe how he changed his mind about God on 9 March 1997.

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So making a mockery of others’ spiritual experiences is only wrong when others do it? Is that Midgley’s excuse?

No wonder so many people warned Gina Colvin about Midgley.

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In Midgets mind there is no other spirituality than his and his fellow Mormons. No one can have such except the Ph.d's........ there will always be something wrong with anyone else's experiences except the Mormon ones. Those are the actual only true ones in their minds.
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Lemmie wrote:So making a mockery of others’ spiritual experiences is only wrong when others do it? Is that Midgley’s excuse?
Yes, it is.
Philo Sofee wrote:In Midgets mind there is no other spirituality than his and his fellow Mormons. No one can have such except the Ph.d's........ there will always be something wrong with anyone else's experiences except the Mormon ones. Those are the actual only true ones in their minds.
That is oh so incredibly true.

On an unrelated note, what was Midgley like on the L-Skinny list?

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Louis Midgley wrote:Professor Peterson's comments about the passion for the "allegorical interpretation to the scriptures" reminded me of the flush of current efforts to read the Book of Mormon in this way--that is, to read it as merely "inspired fiction." And hence not as an authentic ancient history. Those who do this follow directly in the very tradition that Professor Peterson has correctly described as apostasy.

The reason is that they are either knowingly/intentionally doing this because they want a different and less demanding "religious" community, or they just stumble into doing this because it is a current fad or fashion. Either way, they end up denying that their can be continuing divine relations to both to themselves and hence also the leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ. What they deny to the Brethren, they also deny to themselves.
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The reason is that they are either knowingly/intentionally doing this because they want a different and less demanding "religious" community, or they just stumble into doing this because it is a current fad or fashion.
Such sophomoric BYU thinking is off the mark. It is neither to me. Is it too hard to ask for a religion that is based on evidenced reality? I could care less on how demanding a religion is. That s irrelevant, hence Lou's argument is flawed.
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Hmm, so without the BofM being a literal historical record, the brethren have no authority. Good summary, Prof Midgley.

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Louis Midgley DanielPeterson • 2 days ago

I hereby declare Sledge and BLarsen married to Donald Trump, and may they henceforth share his hair and face.

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Now that’s actually a pretty good attempt at humor by Midgley. Good job, ole boy! Moksha, I think maybe you are rubbing off on him after all.

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Hmm, so without the BofM being a literal historical record, the brethren have no authority. Good summary, Prof Midgley.
Authority never comes from a book. Authority is always and forever grounded in people giving consent to allow others control over them. Midgley hasn't even got this correct. The brethren only ever have had only as much authority as one grants them to have over oneself. It is people that give and take authority.
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