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Lemmie:

I called him out on that blatant self-contradiction. I can't wait to see how he'll respond, if at all.

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I noticed that after I posted! Well done. I see he is pestering you for details of your experience you noted, but even without details he has made up his own and begun his attempts at mocking. No surprise there.

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Well , now I’m interested in what happened on 9 March 2017.

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Louis Midgley Dr. Shades • 2 hours ago • edited
Well, given my own recent clashes with Shades over his voting his approval of the disgraceful, false, nasty, utterly absurd things said by his very own well coached and rehearsed people, and his claim that those thugs had very good reason for those comments, and then the fact that Shades, playing the innocent one, claimed that he did not recognize any of those who blasted away at me. And when I explained in detail that Dr. Velho Burrinho posts on the Shades hate board as Dr. LOD, and who has since October of last year said false, insulting, nasty, and absurd things about me, including in two email messages to me, Shades just ignored all of this and went on as if none of this had happened. The obvious fact is that I have not fashioned out of thin air the contents of what I have written about Maori Latter-day Saints. And to also insist that, since I am a white male, I am a racial bigot, and this is manifest in what I have published about them.

For these and other reasons I just decided that I was not interested in more exchanges with Shades.
DanielPeterson Mod Louis Midgley • 2 hours ago
Stick with the resolution, Professor Midgley!

Vegan Burrito's position seems to be that, by virtue of being believing Latter-day Saints, we are racists. It doesn't matter how we actually treat people, and he appears to grant that we might actually like the people toward whom we're racists.

In other words, the accusation is ideologically motivated.

To hold the correct political and religious positions is to not be a racist, just as, for some, loving humanity is more important than treating actual humans decently. (I've personally observed many such cases, where strong partisans of women's rights, for example, mistreated their wives, etc.)
Lets see where do we start on this one. How about with Professor Midgley:

I offered more than once to let things drop, but you didn't. I would recommend you stick with the resolution you apparently made with Professor Peterson.

Thank you for the complement, I wouldn't exactly say well coached, or rehearsed by anyone. I would say it is more through experience with similar situations, and being very observant.

About your articles on the Maori, I never said it was made up, I did object to you thinking that your version of things was the only one that was "true" and needed a rabid defense. I also said it was up to the Maori to tell their own story. As far as you having racist behaviors, other than embracing cultural appropriation with the Maori I think you are OK with them. Now on the other hand you have exhibited many other questionable bigoted behaviors directed at me, Professor Colvin, and your infamous Martin Luther King posts. None of my criticism of you is based on the color of your skin, purely on your words and actions exhibited on Sic et Non, and elsewhere.

Professor Peterson, you need to form your thinly veiled argument a little better about me being an anti-racist-bigot.
What you are doing and your reaction is best described by Robin DiAngelo in their book White Fragility:
"The simplistic idea that racism is limited to individual intentional acts committed by unkind people is at the root of virtually all white defensiveness on this topic,"
Sometime back I pointed out how some of your ideology is rooted in institutionalized systemic racism, in ways that you don't seem to understand. An example is your reaction was some months back to me suggesting that Brigham Young ethnically cleansed, and in fact signed a genocidal extermination order for the tribes in Utah Valley in 1850, underscores this. You said it "never happened" and it wasn't fact. From that I didn't base my judgement of you based off your skin color, it is based off your denying the event happened.

As far as me being ideologically motivated yes I am, some time ago I grew tired of not speaking up about racist actions in any form. Pretty simple.
Louis Midgley DanielPeterson 4 hours ago
Dan: I will. There was a time when Shirley Ricks could and did give us orders that we had to obey.

And I am always delighted when you refer to the Vegan Burrito.
I like it too Professor Peterson, it reminds me that you are only as funny or clever as your spellchecker.

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[quote="Dr LOD"]I like it too Professor Peterson, it reminds me that you are only as funny or clever as your spellchecker.[/quote]

Got. DAYUM. :lol:

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Loudmouth Louis Midgley lies AGAIN about checking the board:

"Shades: If by "regularly" you mean a tiny glance no more than three times in ten years, and a slightly more extensive glance around your collection of rubbish the other day, then you have me pegged. One of your "well trained troops" actually announced on Gina Colvin's blog that you have assembled on your board 400 bits of evidence of my evil deeds, and they also provide me with access to your board. That just happens to be the way I accessed your board, since I could not even recall that name of the miserable thing."

So, now it's four times. Uh huh. Oh, the tangled web Louise weaves when he attempts to deceive, and deceive, and deceive.

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I also want to point out, and perhaps someone can correct my misperception if I'm misinformed, but I haven't seen The Midge ever refer to Gina Colvin as Dr. Colvin, you know, since he has such a huge stick up his ass about that sort of thing.

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Professor Midgley says:
I was quite recently called a racist merely because I am a white male.
It goes way beyond that simplification.

If that is the only reason he feels that someone would think of him as racist then he should have absolutely no problem whatsoever writing a good and accurate review of Colvins book.
have been thinking about this and the answer if not all that clear. This last round has for me, for reasons that I will not go into, gotten to me. This has never happened before. I have wondered if it is my age, or if it is the extent and absurdity of the nasty, utterly false stuff about something to which there are witnesses of all sorts of witnesses
It got to him because he realized he was appropriating and exploiting the Maori to shore up his religious beliefs. My accusation messed with his core identity. Join the club Louis the traditional LDS narrative on the Lamanites did the same thing to a whole bunch of people including the Maori. Mopologetic Jedi tricks just make it worse.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:17 am
I also want to point out, and perhaps someone can correct my misperception if I'm misinformed, but I haven't seen The Midge ever refer to Gina Colvin as Dr. Colvin, you know, since he has such a huge stick up his ass about that sort of thing.

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Oh, didn't you know...... in Mormonism a woman cannot possibly be a "real" Dr., women are always supposed to be lesser and subordinate to men. To Lou there can be no woman even near his celestial targeted greatness, not in this life, and not in eternity. His own wife will never be a Mrs Elohim. Only a Mrs Midgley, even after Elohimhood. Women in Mormonism will always be subserverient to the men. For eternity.
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LCM- I have done nothing to Gina Colvin at all, except praise an essay which she and a faithful Maori woman had written, and also disagree with her on the very same things on which her husband happens to share my opinions.
And one even both allowed and watched an earlier dress rehearsal of the onslaught of nasty, absurd, insulting, fully false stuff directed at me, and then upvoted that rubbish when it was posted on Gina's own blog, and then claim that those who posted that rubbish had very good reasons--even what he called "superior argumentation"--for doing so, while also claiming that I have I been naughty, among others, to Rodney Meldrum, Gina Colvin and himself.
Wasn’t Midgley saying on Sic et Non saying he was trying to triangulate between Professor Colvin and her husband and undermining their relationship?

At least how I was taught one of the worst things someone could do was undermine a marriage this was usually illustrated through the example of an affair. But I had a CES institute director expand that into things very similar to what Midgley was doing with his comments about Colvin’s relationship. In an attempt to harm her.

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Child: gets caught with hand in cookie jar.

Parent: hey! get those dirty hands out of the cookie jar! they're dirty, and it's almost dinnertime!

Child: what!?! I was only checking to see if we needed more cookies!!! You're being quite unfair!

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Dr LOD wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:30 pm
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LCM- I have done nothing to Gina Colvin at all, except praise an essay which she and a faithful Maori woman had written, and also disagree with her on the very same things on which her husband happens to share my opinions.
And one even both allowed and watched an earlier dress rehearsal of the onslaught of nasty, absurd, insulting, fully false stuff directed at me, and then upvoted that rubbish when it was posted on Gina's own blog, and then claim that those who posted that rubbish had very good reasons--even what he called "superior argumentation"--for doing so, while also claiming that I have I been naughty, among others, to Rodney Meldrum, Gina Colvin and himself.
Wasn’t Midgley saying on Sic et Non saying he was trying to triangulate between Professor Colvin and her husband and undermining their relationship?

At least how I was taught one of the worst things someone could do was undermine a marriage this was usually illustrated through the example of an affair. But I had a CES institute director expand that into things very similar to what Midgley was doing with his comments about Colvin’s relationship. In an attempt to harm her.
Here’s more of the “nothing” Midgley has done to Colvin, which I agree he does in an attempt to denigrate her.

In other words, even though Midgley knows nothing, he made up a full and fully disparaging, if utterly false, background story:
Who-me?-Midgley:

what got to me was that the owner of the blog knew that those who were posting rubbish were flatly wrong, since it involved her own husband, and she did not put a stop to it by telling the truth, since she was fully aware of the truth. The fact is that her Bishop, Stake President, and Area President have done what they could and have held out hope right up to the point that she resigned from the Church of Jesus Christ. And I also know that her husband holds out hope for her despite everything. I was simply stunned to find out that I have become something of a issue between them. I told her husband that I was surprised to learn that she even knew my name.

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And one even both allowed and watched an earlier dress rehearsal of the onslaught of nasty, absurd, insulting, fully false stuff directed at me, and then upvoted that rubbish when it was posted on Gina's own blog, and then claim that those who posted that rubbish had very good reasons
He's a liar and a hypocrite then. Long before this board posted anything on her board, Midgley had made his announcement on her board with plans to visit, in a thread where a couple TBMs showed up to direct nasty comments at her, including calling her "Legion", while several friends (not affiliated with our board obviously) left nice comments. Midgley upvoted all nasty comments and downvoted all nice comments.

To this day, DCP and Kiwi57 fail to acknowledge this, even though they know it's true.
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Midgley needs to stop referring to Holocaust victims in the following manner:
midgley:

The guess is that three hundred and twenty thousand went up the stack at that dreadful place.

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Lemmie does us a service by quoting Whinin’ Lou Midgley’s outburst against Helen Radkey. Here’s the fuller comment:

“I must admit that I do not have a high opinion of Helen Radkey, which is to say that I fear that she will do anything to cause trouble for the Church of Jesus Christ. And, while I have the attention of everyone, I must mention that my wife and I have very frequently visited that death camp at Mauthausen, perhaps a dozen times. We have taken our own family to that place. And also quite a few students at BYU. The guess is that three hundred and twenty thousand went up the stack at that dreadful place. Some were Jewish, but most were from all over Europe. My wife would not travel to Poland because she insisted that we would end up at Auschwitz-Birkenau, where 1.1 million were murdered.

My good friend Misha, who is a Russian Jew, who was trained to be a KGB agent but avoided making that his career, made it possible for me to visit Teresíenstadt, which was a former military fortress and walled garrison town very close to the line separating the Czech Republic from Germany. There are, if I remember correctly, about four thousand graves for Jews and also four thousand graves for those who were Christians as one approaches that place. I am confident that my wife would have gone there with me.

And very often, when my wife and I visited Heidelberg, I made it a point of going to the place where the Jewish community met to worship, which was destroyed on Kristallnacht--that is on November 9–10, 1938, when Nazis attacked Jewish properties and people. It made me ill to see the sign marking that place defaced.”

There are actually a few things to unpack here.

1) Helen Radkey was instrumental in exposing the Mormon church’s duplicity, dishonesty, and lying with regard to to baptizing Jews when they totes pinky promised they weren’t. Here’s a great Trib article on Ms. Radkey if you want a fuller understanding of her and her work:

https://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?re ... i_13926671

Basically, whinin’ Lou took a shot at her because he’s just a raging asshole.

2) Lyin’ Lou’s claim his friend trained as a KGB agent and got him access to Theresienstadt (note his misspelling above since he’s such a prick to others about spelling). I dunno. When did he go into this presumably Marxist-Leninist country when he would’ve visited thanks to his KGB-trained friend? This just seems like another fishy tale by a midglet who likes to boast and project self-importance.

3) His odd penchant to relate unnecessary and superfluous details when relating a tale, like he does with regard to to Kristallnacht. I suspect he does his wiki thing and then inserts these details to make it seem like he’s smarter than he really is. Judging from his frequent spelling and grammar errors, well, I’ll just leave that up to you to judge.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
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2) Lyin’ Lou’s claim his friend trained as a KGB agent and got him access to Theresienstadt (note his misspelling above since he’s such a prick to others about spelling). I dunno. When did he go into this presumably Marxist-Leninist country when he would’ve visited thanks to his KGB-trained friend? This just seems like another fishy tale by a midglet who likes to boast and project self-importance.

3) His odd penchant to relate unnecessary and superfluous details when relating a tale, like he does with regard to to Kristallnacht. I suspect he does his wiki thing and then inserts these details to make it seem like he’s smarter than he really is. Judging from his frequent spelling and grammar errors, well, I’ll just leave that up to you to judge.

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That would be his very good friend the tour guide right?
Midgley, 2019:

...And Misha, my dear Russian secular Jewish friend, once made it possible for me and my granddaughter to visit Theresienstadt, which I very much appreciated. And later Misha also took a group of us to the place where that Swedish diplomat who gave Hungarian Jews diplomatic passports so they could escape to Sweden is memorialized.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... dad-2.html
So his tour guide was trained as a KGB agent, but decided to be a tour guide instead. Right.

I seem to recall that another one of Midgley’s very good friend/tour guides had a doctorate in European history, but also avoided making that “his career,” instead becoming a tour guide. Midgley boasted about the special, exclusive information they got on that tour, unlike anything ever heard on any other similar tour, by anyone else in the world. Or some such exaggeration.

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And here we go again, another piece of racist bigotry from Dan Peterson and Louis Midgley:


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Louis Midgley • 2 hours ago • edited

I have really enjoyed both the remarks by both Dan and Spencer.

However, I was more than a little annoyed when a certain Little Old Donkey (aka Dr. LOD) insisted, among other things, that because I am a white male I have a latent hostility toward Maori, including especially Maori Latter-day Saints. This fellow began asserting this, and other rather odd things, in late October 2019. This has continued, at least as far as I care to know, through February 2020.

However, I now admit that I have, it seems, only had a tiny encounter with the really weird world of religious, ethnic and racial bigotry. In addition, I have not been the least bit bothered when some Protestant preacher has indicated that he/she will pray for me.
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The Vegan Burrito is now preaching to the spirits in prison. Let him go.
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Louis Midgley DanielPeterson • an hour ago
Dan: your comment made me giggle. I will get over it. I promise.
The name-calling from Peterson, who touts himself as a tolerant and experienced world traveler, is especially jarring. Maybe that’s why he has to continually list his good qualities, because they certainly aren’t self-evident in his writing.

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The Vegan Burrito is now preaching to the spirits in prison. Let him go.
Kind of dark on Peterson’s part.

Midge keeps going back on this over and over. At one point I was a little worried that he would do something like this. Now I don’t care a bit he is deserving of being tormented by his own bad behavior, and scrupulously.

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Louis Midgley Dr. Exiled • 10 hours ago • edited

Self-Exiled: You indicate that you "think the 'no layups' attitude was behind Dr. Midgley's recent New Zealand adventure."

How exactly did my recent "adventure" that began and ended in Sydney, Australia, and included visits to brief visits to nine places in New Zealand, have anything to do with Elder Maxwell's urging those involved with the Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies (FARMS) and what was later known as the Maxwell Institute to no longer allow the sworn enemies and sour critics of the Church of Jesus Christ to have uncontested Slam Dunks?

There has simply never been what Self Exiled calls "the 'no layups' tone issue" that presumably "turns some off and drives some away" from the Church of Jesus Christ.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... 4968172921
That’s just laughable. Midgley is the snarling poster Boy for the “tone issues” that drive people away from his religion. In fact, Midgley posted exactly how his New Zealand trip/harassment of Colvin satisfied his mopologist bloodlust:

...I am also pleased to report that Nathan told me that both he and his wife have read everything that I have written about the Maori Latter-day Saint historical narrative.

And he agrees with me, while she detests--he used the word hates--what I have written.

If for no other reason, knowing this was well worth the expense and effort involved in my recent, and most likely, last visit to Aotearoa/New Zealand.


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although it’s pretty obvious Midgley is hallucinating any involvement of Gina’s husband in this, making his self-proclaimed “victory” pyrrhic at best. Midgley makes stuff up constantly; there’s no reason to believe anything he says about Nathan McCluskey actually happened.

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Louis Midgley wrote:One of your "well-trained troops" actually announced on Gina Colvin's blog that you have assembled on your board 400 bits of evidence of my evil deeds, ...
Professor, to help with your collection of historical data, that cataloging of evil misdeeds would be 0b110010000 in binary notation.
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Midgley:

....Latter-day Saints are really rather good at civility.....

http://disq.us/p/2a72zcx
Oh come ON. The Spit-or-swallow, outhouse load-sniffing, rabid and snarling Poster Boy for Mopologetic Incivility, who obsessively and compulsively attacks ANYONE who disagrees with him with increasingly intrusive and disgusting lies about their personal lives, who keeps “files” so he can organize his documented hate, who casually and regularly makes sexist, racist, and bigoted remarks, says LDS are “rather good” at civility???

He obviously can’t include himself in that definition. He’s a mannerless and mean-spirited buffoon who lies like other people breathe.
Moksha:

Louis, why don't the regular posters have a mode of proper behavior on this blog? Have you been granted some predators licence?

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Exactly, moksha. Exactly.

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