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In my professional estimation, the producers need to interview approximately 2.5 non-LDS historians to counter the faith-promoting rumors spread by Black. Who’s next? I recommend Spencer Fluhman, Steven Harper, Jeff Meldrum, Stan Larson, Warren Aston, Jerry Bradford, Bill Hamblin, Patrick Mason, Philip Jenkins, Nathan Hatch, Mark Noll, Kathleen Flake, Phil Barlow, Laurie Maffly-Kipp, Stephen Prothero, Randall Balmer, Alan Taylor, Brent Metcalfe, MormonThink, Loftes Tryk, Sandra Tanner (she’s a mainstream anti-Mormon), Kishkumen, Korihor, John Hamer, Grant Hardy, D. Michael Quinn, and Dan Vogel.

It would also be a most interesting challenge for them to look deeply within their own biases if they were to interview those like Lee Smolin, Carlo Rovelli, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Michael Shermer, Deepak Chopra, Brian Cox, Leonard Susskind, Leonard Mlodinow, Paul Davies, Brian Greene, Sean Carroll, Roger Penrose, and Fred Alan Wolf. The only reason I present this list is due to Peterson saying they are trying to make a serious and fair film. If he would quit Donald Trumping this and just tell the truth about what they are doing, I wouldn't have anything to add, other than then it's just mere fluff faith promoting drivvle with the objective already done, and now it's time to draw the circle around the arrows on the side of the barn and bear testimony about God's truth, and Joseph Smith's perfect bullseyes.

I think it would be utterly fascinating to get Biblical scholars in there and then ask well, for crying out loud, Why don't you join the truth? What is it that is fundamentally stopping them?
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The other night I happened to hear the latest broadcast of the Interpreter Radio Show. Here are the highlights:

00:00:31-00:00:44: Complete radio silence.

00:00:44: Terry Hutchinson, whose connection to the Interpreter Foundation is unclear, suddenly breaks in to introduce the program. He announces Dr. Peterson, Dr. Gee, and Kevin Christensen as the other hosts.

00:01:44: Dr. Peterson admits that he doesn’t remember the Interpreter website address. For the record, it's http://www.mormoninterpreter.com.

00:03:11: Hutchinson notes that R. Draper and M. Rhodes are working on a BYU New Testament commentary on Hebrews, J. Welch is working on a Matthew volume, E. Huntsman is working on John, and J. Gee is working on James.

00:05:56: Dr. Peterson claims that the BYU New Testament commentary series “rectifies” “a bit” the impression that Latter-day Saints don’t actually care about the Bible.

00:10:39: Speaking about 2019, Dr. Peterson says we can look forward to “more [Interpreter] articles." He confesses that the Interpreter Foundation hasn’t done a major conference in a long time, but he says that he’d like to hold a conference featuring scientists who will speak of doing science as a religious experience or religious enterprise. (I'd suggest a 2019 conference featuring scientists—including several from the Discovery Institute and BYU—advocating the Intelligent Design theory, including a paper positing that Intelligent Design wins the Cambrian Explosion debate by default and a paper dismantling Darwin's "house of cards.")

00:12:42: Dr. Peterson, asked about the Interpreter Foundation’s film on the Witnesses, claims that the project is coming along "pretty well.” He notes that the Foundation needs to raise a certain amount of money by April 1 (or sometime in March) in order to do on-site filming in New York, Ohio, and Missouri. Speaking about the film's content, he says that “almost 10” interviews with scholars have been conducted. He discloses that the entire cost of the film is about $1.25 million and mentions that about $350,000—some portion of which is in hand—is needed by next spring. He also asks for donations, both large and small (but mostly large).

00:14:50: Listeners are subjected to a guitar riff that breaks the Sabbath Day. Hutchinson suggests that a caller might be able to identify the song. (In making such a suggestion, Hutchinson seems unfamiliar with the profile of the show's typical listener.) For the record, it's an excerpt from Gene Loves Jezebel's song "Jealous."

00:29:43: Guest Julie Smith, who has written a book on the Book of Mark, is asked why she used a non-androcentric interpretative lens in her forthcoming commentary. She says that while she doesn’t have a problem with using the term “feminist” in other contexts or to describe herself, she sought to do a non-androcentric reading rather than a “feminist” reading per se. Her commentary asks, “What would this text look like if we didn’t read it with a male focus?” Update: this segment has caused the meltdown of one orthodox Latter-day Saint supporter of Interpreter (see here).

00:55:16: Christensen mentions that he’s finished an essay for a heretofore unpublicized “Midgley festschrift.” He doesn’t disclose the names of the other contributors, the publisher, or the anticipated publication date. However, I expect to see contributions from, among others, Rodney Meldrum, Lofte Payne (formerly known as Loftes Tryk), a token cultural Mormon, Sandra Tanner, John Dehlin, Gemli, and Ernest Wilkinson, Cleon Skousen, Sterling McMurrin, and Paul Tillich. Note: the contributions from the final four individuals will reportedly be channeled by Professor R. Skousen using Joseph Smith's chocolate-colored seer stone.

00:56:00: Speaking about the publication of his writings, Christensen quotes a science fiction writer who apparently said that publishing "is like dropping feathers down a well.” The other hosts respond with awkward silence. After Professor Gee completely misinterprets the saying, Christensen is forced to explain, thus completely ruining the quip.

01:06:10: Professor Peterson tells an ill-advised joke about a contest held by former BYU provost Bruce Hafen to provide the best definition of the word “provost.” The winning definition, according to Professor Peterson, was “the person most like Provo.” The punchline provokes a few pity laughs from the others.

On to next week!

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Tom wrote:00:14:50: Listeners are subjected to a guitar riff that breaks the Sabbath Day. Hutchinson suggests that a caller might be able to identify the song. (In making such a suggestion, Hutchinson seems unfamiliar with the profile of the show's typical listener.) For the record, it's an excerpt from Gene Loves Jezebel's song "Jealous."


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Tom wrote:The other night I happened to hear the latest broadcast of the Interpreter Radio Show. Here are the highlights:

[SNIP!]

On to next week!

There must be some sort of medal everyone could collectively give you for listening to this .... and taking notes ...
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Also mark me down as impressed that Christensen was able to make it through a conversation without mentioning "paradigm" or "Kuhn".

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Exiled wrote:There must be some sort of medal everyone could collectively give you for listening to this .... and taking notes ...

I must insist that my notes are an exceedingly modest offering I wish to place upon the altar in the hope of finding favor with God and hence become sanctified and hence become a genuine Saint and hence justified and hence a God. (I could also probably find it in my heart to accept a festschrift, or even a Webfestschrift, in my honor.)

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admits that he doesn’t remember the Interpreter website address.

Huh. Doesn't remember the website address that contains the word "Mormon" thus signaling that the journal is still in apostasy? How convenient.

claims that the BYU New Testament commentary series “rectifies” “a bit” the impression that Latter-day Saints don’t actually care about the Bible

Oh? So somebody who in actuality did not believe Mormons care about the Bible has come forward since this series, and has admitted that now they do think that Mormons care about the Bible?

this segment has caused the meltdown of one orthodox Latter-day Saint supporter of Interpreter

That link was the must-read of the day for sure. Shear beauty. by the way, it did make me wonder what orthodox Muslims would think of the multi-discipline "BYU Koran" had history been a little different.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.

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Fun to see DCP defend feminist scholarship.
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Gadianton wrote:
Tom wrote:this segment has caused the meltdown of one orthodox Latter-day Saint supporter of Interpreter

That link was the must-read of the day for sure. Shear beauty. by the way, it did make me wonder what orthodox Muslims would think of the multi-discipline "BYU Koran" had history been a little different.
Fortunately, that faithful brother has seen fit to publish two more comments (December 14 at 1:11 pm and December 14 at 9:21 am). I hope Allen Wyatt invites him to review Smith's commentary for Interpreter.

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Gadianton wrote:
Tom wrote:this segment has caused the meltdown of one orthodox Latter-day Saint supporter of Interpreter

That link was the must-read of the day for sure. Shear beauty. by the way, it did make me wonder what orthodox Muslims would think of the multi-discipline "BYU Koran" had history been a little different.
Tom wrote:Fortunately, that faithful brother has seen fit to publish two more comments (December 14 at 1:11 pm and December 14 at 9:21 am). I hope Allen Wyatt invites him to review Smith's commentary for Interpreter.

Wow. He has fully embraced the idea that even a drop of what he calls "feminism" will taint his learning process irrevocably. I fully believe him when he says he never has that problem while reading McConkie. :rolleyes:

Tom, your summaries are a delight, thank you so much!! Also, i find your ongoing compilations of financial data very interesting, thank you for that as well. A webfestschrift in your honor would be a pleasure.

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Lemmie wrote:Tom, your summaries are a delight, thank you so much!! Also, i find your ongoing compilations of financial data very interesting, thank you for that as well. A webfestschrift in your honor would be a pleasure.

You're too kind, Lemmie. Really, I would also be willing to accept a modest living allowance that is akin to the salary of the average full university professor in America.

By the way, I am currently feasting on a savory baloney sandwich (toasted rye bread, spicy dijon mustard, and Boston lettuce) while making my way through volume 1 of Cumorah: The Journal of Book of Mormon Geography. I predict that this significant new player in the field of faithful Latter-day Saint scholarship will pull away a number of subscribers from Interpreter. Life is good.

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Thanks for Alerting me, Tom. I've cracked open a third Stone Delicious to celebrate the fresh commentary.

After reading Horne's comments, and his citations of Gee etc., I feel moved to arbitrate:

Dennis Horne: PLEASE LISTEN CAREFULLY. Whatever you do, DO NOT withdraw your financial support of the Interpreter over this. There has been a misunderstanding, and I'm here to help. You have to understand that a publication as elite as Interpreter can't escape politics in the way that you and I can merely navigating our own opinions. Have you ever been to the misspelled Forn Spǫll Fira blog? Have you ever been to Sic et Non? Have you ever read Lou Midgley's comments at Sic et Non? Have you ever been to Enigmatic Mirror? If you have, then do you really believe that Mopologetics will be compromised by feminism any time soon?

Let's put a find point on it: feminism + reader-response theory. Two birds, one stone. The Mopologists brilliantly get a token feminist and token critical theorist worked into their volume for the price of one, in order to maintain plausible deniability that they are not a one-track outfit, and to lend credibility to their accusations against the New MI, that the new MI only does critical theory and no historico-critical. They are the renaissance men who do it all, not the impostors at the new MI. Now you might be thinking, is it really worth going through all this trouble just to subtly try and make a point like this?

The answer is, YES! What do you think this volume is to begin with? This whole project is an effort to maintain plausible deniability that Mormons give a rat's ass about the Bible! Why not add another layer of deniability to it? When you hand this out to your friends and family this year, it's with a *wink wink* and a *nudge nudge* where both giver and receiver bristle, "Oh, this is a tremendous addition to our legacy of respect for the *cough* Bible (sneer). And look, these men are so open minded that they include feminism in their commentary" and then they quietly file the book away on their shelves next to all the other Mopologist works they've never read. But they know who was right back in 2012, and who will be restored to their rightful place in power one day, one day very soon.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.

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It seems clear to me that Brother Horne is a front-runner for the 2019 Sampson Avard Golden Scepter Award.
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It's scarcely a secret that I am an avid listener of the Interpreter Radio Show. Imagine my distress, then, when I came across a passing note from Dr. Peterson last Sunday reporting that that evening's broadcast "may be our last." What? Why? Where would I get my weekly fix of discussion, debate, and the latest information on all kinds of religious issues and topics? How would I continue to enjoy Dr. Gee's desiccated wit and enigmatic and solemn insights on a regular basis? (His blog is essentially dead.) Where else would I get updates on the Interpreter Foundation's million-dollar Book of Mormon Witnesses docudrama? What other program plays Gene Loves Jezebel bumper music and has the same creaking chairs, delayed introductions, awkward silences, and dead microphones? What other show attracts wacky callers from Enoch and Ophir asking about Hugh Nibley's remarkable discovery of Laban's Sword in the Lehi Cave or rumors about ancient scrolls hidden inside the Dream Mine? A million thoughts raced through my head.

Dr. Peterson subsequently provided some explanation:
K-Talk is asking all shows to pay a certain amount per month in order to stay on the air.

We're not inclined to pay, so we're looking at other ways of keeping it going.

This brings to mind comments several years ago from FairMormon chairman John Lynch indicating that FairMormon volunteers "pay to help us." The volunteers cannot simply donate their time and talents and all their material possessions to FairMormon. In essence, to use Mr. Lynch's words, K-Talk has told the Interpreter Foundation that "we need you to put some skin in the game." No more free milk from the cow. No more free airtime and advertising for the Foundation's work.

To my relief, and to the relief of literally hundreds of Latter-day Saints living along the Wasatch front, though, Dr. Peterson subsequently provided some additional reassurance about the radio show's future: "I think that it will continue. The only question is where and precisely how."

It seems that Interpreter doesn't want to pay to play, so we may be seeing future Interpreter Radio Show broadcasts from Dr. Peterson's finished basement. But that's good enough for me.

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How did the "last" broadcast go?

seems to me the Interpreter is just a shell for the critical text project as everything else besides that add up to less than 1% of the budget.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.

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Gadianton wrote:How did the "last" broadcast go?

seems to me the Interpreter is just a shell for the critical text project as everything else besides that add up to less than 1% of the budget.

That's a very interesting observation, Dr. Robbers. The Godfather Trilogy has been airing on cable a lot lately, so maybe my thinking is being influenced by that fact, but let me posit a theoretical situation. Suppose you wanted to profit off of Mopologetics, but you're operating in a religious system that has vilified priestcraft. You are *not* supposed to make money off of things relating to your religion: even the Prophet and the Apostles don't do that sort of thing. Still, hey: you've put in your time, you've suffered your lot, and so why shouldn't you try to achieve the American Dream?

So let's say you've got a close friend who is working on this "project," and you, as CEO of the non-profit, have influence as to where the funds in that non-profit can go, and you decide to fund your close friend's "project." The "project," as it were, it just some kooky ____ that has some vague connection to the purported "mission" of the non-profit: it was all just a McGuffin anyway. Meanwhile, this close friend takes the payment, and you and he split it right down the middle, 50/50. He reports it on his taxes and pays your half of it to you in cash. Or, perhaps there is a fund at BYU that pays for scholars to travel all around the globe, and this close friend opts to donate a huge chunk of his payment into this fund.

Look: this is all just speculation, just for the fun of it. None of us can know whether this resembles the truth in any way. All I will say is that, like you, Dr. Robbers, I feel that the massive sums paid out to Skousen feel "strange." I wonder if readers are really getting their money's worth, and I wonder what the rationale has been behind this project, and, more importantly, the decision to fund it.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:You are *not* supposed to make money off of things relating to your religion: even the Prophet and the Apostles don't do that sort of thing.

Said with tongue planted firmly in cheek, of course. . . right?
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Doctor Scratch wrote:It seems clear to me that Brother Horne is a front-runner for the 2019 Sampson Avard Golden Scepter Award.


I sure hope so!
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MrStakhanovite wrote:Also mark me down as impressed that Christensen was able to make it through a conversation without mentioning "paradigm" or "Kuhn".


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Rest in peace, Grindael.

I happened to catch a recent broadcast of the Interpreter radio program. Here are the most significant moments:

A guest notes that she and Dr. Peterson once crash-landed together in a hot air balloon in Turkey. Host Martin Tanner remarks, "Remind me not to climb into a hot air balloon with Professor Dan Peterson."

The same guest says she calls Dr. Peterson the "Street Fighter of Apologetics" and "Our Intellectual Porter Rockwell."

During a discussion of the Witnesses project in the second hour, Dr. Peterson notes that they were looking at, probably, the summer of 2021 for the dramatic film's release. He said they've interviewed about ten scholars for the documentary and wanted to interview ten more.

Dr. Peterson says he has heard reactions to the film that the actor playing Joseph Smith looks too young. Dr. Peterson says he responded, "Do you know how old he's supposed to be in that scene? . . . 23. Guess how old [the actor] is? He's 23." I would guess that the actor is actually older than 23.

Dr. Peterson wants to put up a simple website at some point featuring all of the documents related to the witnesses.

Mr. Tanner, discussing his practice of inviting listeners of his own radio show to pose any questions they want: "“Even if they ask something I don’t know anything about, if you drill down far enough, eventually—even if the surface looks bad—it will be a faith-promoting experience. I truly, truly believe that, and the more I look into it, the more it kind of has to be [a faith-promoting experience], because the church is true, so how could it be anything else?”

Dr. Peterson: "I find that, in terms of the church, too, the pushback I'm getting now is more from secularists, ex-Latter-day Saints who become atheists, who've lost all of their faith. And so that is one of the reasons why I'm interested in doing this other project, you know, my series of books. I've described it occasionally--I hate to always have this combative rhetoric--but I've described it as 'my little hand grenade to be tossed into the camp of the unbelievers.' Or, to put it another way, to cause them doubts about their doubts. I would like them to scratch their heads and say, 'you know, this is really odd. I don't know how to explain this. Maybe there's some truth to this.' Just get them to think. I don't think I can--or anybody can--give you faith with a book. You have to get it for yourself."

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-I hate to always have this combative rhetoric--but I've described it as 'my little hand grenade to be tossed into the camp of the unbelievers.' Or, to put it another way, to cause them doubts about their doubts. I would like them to scratch their heads and say, 'you know, this is really odd. I don't know how to explain this. Maybe there's some truth to this.' Just get them to think. I don't think I can--or anybody can--give you faith with a book. You have to get it for yourself."
Yawn! Boring..........same old Kool Aid, which I quit drinking a loooooooong time ago....... his hand grenade :lol: won't even hold a candle to a mere firecracker........all noise, no damage.
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