grindael wrote:Fence Sitter wrote:
Not that much else makes sense, but I think Ed may be referring to the text commonly found on breathing permits, not this specific piece of papyrus. If that is correct he should be able to take other similar breathing permits and show how his cipher (?) can also result in a Book of Abraham.
He can't (how convenient) because he assigns arbitrary "values" to the characters/pictures/whatever. There would be no formula/cipher. That's why he can claim that he isn't trying to prove that the Book of Abraham came from the papyri. Yet, he says that somehow they are "linked" to "concepts" found in the Book of Abraham. So all his posturing about them not being linked is just BS.
It's just a convenient way to promote his BS without having to account for it in any of it at all. Just vague theories about how the ancients might have done so based on his crazy parallelomania.
I suspect you are right, and I was waiting to see if he would discuss it. He has no coherent theory on how this is supposed to make sense. All we have is the person who made the papyri assigned like a paragraph of text to each Egyptian hieroglyph. Now you would likely see the same hieroglyph in the papyri being repeated similar as we do with words in English, but now we have the same hieroglyph with a whole different set of text assigned to it. It makes no sense to do this, and he provides zero evidence it is happening.
Sure someone could re-purpose pictures to mean something different, but not all the text that goes with it. They would use the written language(Egyptain) they already know to tell their Abraham story, so you would have an Abraham story that Egyptology could translate from the text, with pictures they would usually translate differently, but with the text they would have to translate the pictures based on the accompanying text. They actually do this as pictures can change meaning over time, or how a different person may want to use the picture. We see text with all three facsimiles giving us the story of what is going on, although in this case it would not have been needed, but makes it perfectly clear what is going on in the facsimiles. So if this person was to re-purpose facsimile 3 into the Abraham story, they wouldn't have to change the picture, but they would need to put in the proper text above their heads to identify, which we see they don't.