Shulem wrote:EdGoble wrote:
They didn't have to, because they were repurposing all of the symbols in the document, including little pictures above the hand, etc.
Not according to the testimonies of Joseph Smith and Orson Pratt (and others). They were direct translations from Egyptian to English -- revealing the actual language on the papyrus itself. All testimony and statements attest that Joseph Smith was literally translating the Egyptian language into English and that the actual Book of Abraham was upon the papyrus. Moreover, the Explanations of the Facsimiles were literal translations -- true and correct -- Egyptian into English.Joseph Smith HC 2:348-350 wrote:
"From New York he [Mr. Chandler] took his collection on to Philadelphia and obtained the certificate of the learned and from thence came on too Kirtland, as before related in July. Thus I have given a brief history of the manner in which the writings of the Fathers, Abraham, and Joseph have been preserved and how I came into possession of the same – a CORRECT TRANSLATION of which I shall give in its proper place"Orson Pratt 43 years later, accounts for the papyrus wrote:
"Mr. Chandler had also obtained from learned men the best TRANSLATION HE could've SOME FEW CHARACTERS which however, was not a translation, but more in the shape of ideas with regard to it, their acquaintance with the language not being sufficient to ENABLE THEM TO TRANSLATE IT LITERALLY. After some conversation with the Prophet Joseph, Mr. Chandler presented to him the ancient characters, asking him if he could TRANSLATE THEM.
The prophet took them and repaired to his room and inquired of the Lord concerning them. The Lord told him they were sacred records, containing the inspired writings of Abraham when he was in Egypt, and also those of Joseph, while he was in Egypt; and they had been deposited with these mummies, which had been exhumed. And he also inquired of the Lord concerning some few characters which Mr. Chandler, gave him by way of a test, to see if he could translate them. The prophet Joseph TRANSLATED THESE CHARACTERS and returned them, with the translation to Mr. Chandler; and who, in comparing it with the translation of the same few characters by learned men, that he had before obtained, found the two to agree."
I would like very, very, very, very much that exact reference to that Orson Pratt quote I need that for my book thank you.