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 Post subject: Earthquake fault under the Salt Lake Temple
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:11 am 
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If I have my geography correct, this video seems to show an earthquake fault right underneath the SL temple, and another one under West Temple on the west side of the Tabernacle. Temple Square is shown on this video at about 8:35.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DByPiCkznE0




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 Post subject: Re: Earthquake fault under the Salt Lake Temple
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:26 am 
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I was told just three years ago by a guide at Temple Square that Brigham knew all about that and that the temple was built to withstand any earthquake.

So, no need to worry!

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 Post subject: Re: Earthquake fault under the Salt Lake Temple
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:16 am 
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The majority of the Salt Lake Valley is vulnerable to liquifaction if the quake is strong enough.

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 Post subject: Re: Earthquake fault under the Salt Lake Temple
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:34 am 
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gramps wrote:
I was told just three years ago by a guide at Temple Square that Brigham knew all about that and that the temple was built to withstand any earthquake.

So, no need to worry!

I was told once that under each of the four corners of the SL temple there was placed a huge hewn-granite ball that the building was supposed to be able to shift on to protect it in an earthquake. Don't know if it's true or if such a thing would actually work, but that's what I heard. Any structural engineers here?

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 Post subject: Re: Earthquake fault under the Salt Lake Temple
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:58 am 
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I had heard that the Three Nephites are capable of holding the entire temple up when an earthquake does hit.

The Billion(s) dollar boondoggle LDS mall will be toast though.

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 Post subject: Re: Earthquake fault under the Salt Lake Temple
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:10 am 
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Seismic isolation is a building technique that is very common in new buildings in seismically active areas. It essentially allows the ground to shift under the building without moving the building.

Bearings are placed at the foundation to allow the ground to move forward or backward and laterally without moving the building sitting on top. Well, the building does move, but to a far lesser extent than it would if there were completely unjointed connections (ie solid concrete walls or pillars)

Here are some quick images from google image search on 'seismic isolation'. It's kind of interesting what is below us in some buildings and yet we don't have a clue! I understand that the temple and tabernacle's renovation programs several years ago involved redoing the foundations. I imagine they placed rollers or bearings or something to make the building more stable during earthquakes.

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You can also notice roller bearings on the supports and abutments of overpasses, if you want to see how the rollers/bearings under the buildings would work. They allow the bridge to contract as it freezes and thaws.


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 Post subject: Re: Earthquake fault under the Salt Lake Temple
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:14 am 
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TAK wrote:
I had heard that the Three Nephites are capable of holding the entire temple up when an earthquake does hit.

The Billion(s) dollar boondoggle LDS mall will be toast though.


Great OP

The foundation of the Salt Lake Temple, as well as all of the Houses of the Lord, are protected by the power of the priesthood - God's holy power over the elements.

They are dedicated to withstand the elements throughout the millenium (after the God of Love returns and soaks His garments in the blood of those that fight against Zion).

Temples only fail structurally after they are desecrated by the unrighteous. Note that the Salt Lake City temple's foundation had to be replaced because it cracked when being built.

So, after the great quake, what will the hierarchy say when their flagship building fails structurally?

A sign of God's disaproval of the church as a whole or just bad engineering?


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 Post subject: Re: Earthquake fault under the Salt Lake Temple
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:22 am 
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Inconceivable wrote:
Great OP

The foundation of the Salt Lake Temple, as well as all of the Houses of the Lord, are protected by the power of the priesthood - God's holy power over the elements.

They are dedicated to withstand the elements throughout the millenium (after the God of Love returns and soaks His garments in the blood of those that fight against Zion).

Temples only fail structurally after they are desecrated by the unrighteous. Note that the Salt Lake City temple's foundation had to be replaced because it cracked when being built.

So, after the great quake, what will the hierarchy say when their flagship building fails structurally?

A sign of God's disaproval of the church as a whole or just bad engineering?


If the LDS faith is ridiculous as you claim you shouldn't have to make stuff up to insult it.

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 Post subject: Re: Earthquake fault under the Salt Lake Temple
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:27 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Earthquake fault under the Salt Lake Temple
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:15 am 
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antishock8 wrote:
They'll say the architect was engineering not as an architect at the time, but as a man.


No they won't.

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 Post subject: Re: Earthquake fault under the Salt Lake Temple
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:30 am 
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nevermind

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 Post subject: Re: Earthquake fault under the Salt Lake Temple
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:11 am 
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Wheat wrote:
gramps wrote:
I was told just three years ago by a guide at Temple Square that Brigham knew all about that and that the temple was built to withstand any earthquake.

So, no need to worry!

I was told once that under each of the four corners of the SL temple there was placed a huge hewn-granite ball that the building was supposed to be able to shift on to protect it in an earthquake. Don't know if it's true or if such a thing would actually work, but that's what I heard. Any structural engineers here?


The question is whether we can get a hold of the plans showing this amazing feat!

Any good artists here?

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 Post subject: Re: Earthquake fault under the Salt Lake Temple
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:42 pm 
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quaker wrote:
Seismic isolation is a building technique that is very common in new buildings in seismically active areas. It essentially allows the ground to shift under the building without moving the building.

Bearings are placed at the foundation to allow the ground to move forward or backward and laterally without moving the building sitting on top. Well, the building does move, but to a far lesser extent than it would if there were completely unjointed connections (ie solid concrete walls or pillars)

Here are some quick images from google image search on 'seismic isolation'. It's kind of interesting what is below us in some buildings and yet we don't have a clue! I understand that the temple and tabernacle's renovation programs several years ago involved redoing the foundations. I imagine they placed rollers or bearings or something to make the building more stable during earthquakes.

Image

Image

You can also notice roller bearings on the supports and abutments of overpasses, if you want to see how the rollers/bearings under the buildings would work. They allow the bridge to contract as it freezes and thaws.
The Salt Lake City and County building was seismically isolated a few decades back, but I don't know about the temple.

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 Post subject: Re: Earthquake fault under the Salt Lake Temple
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:46 pm 
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moksha wrote:
The majority of the Salt Lake Valley is vulnerable to liquefaction if the quake is strong enough.


So are you suggesting that since the Temple, the COB, the Conference Center, the Joseph Smith Memorial Bldg and all the churches are built on top of sand deposits rather than bedrock, that seismic stabilization will not make a difference for a really big one? Are you saying this as a penguin or a man?

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