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 Post subject: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:55 am 
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President Monson's 85th birthday bash was on Friday. Although he attended and waved to the crowd at the end, his only remarks were in the form of a pre-recorded message, in which President Monson expressed his thanks to all who participated in the concert and to concert-goers for their expressions of love.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7655 ... tml?pg=all

It is also interesting to note that President Monson will not be dedicating the Brigham City Temple next month. My money is on President Monson not dedicating the Calgary Temple in October (it's very unusual that NO announcement has been made that Monson will dedicate the Calgary Temple).

I don't think the Church has anything to fear from disclosing the truth regarding President Monson's mental/physical condition. On the contrary, there would be a massive outpouring of support and love from the members.

My hope is that someday the Church will not be afraid, ashamed of, or hide from the truth.


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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:50 pm 
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I agree. Get it out in the open now and get the members behind it. If they pull a Benson and pretend all is well, they end up looking shady and create a bigger PR mess.

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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:17 pm 
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I agree. Get it out in the open now and get the members behind it. If they pull a Benson and pretend all is well, they end up looking shady and create a bigger PR mess.

These are successors in interest to JSJr. Which scenario to you think is more likely to play out?

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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:45 pm 
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FWIW, I was given the same "intel" in 2009 re: Monson and dementia. I never mentioned it in public both because my source was third or fourth-hand and out of respect for President Monson. But I believe the rumors are probably true.

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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:55 pm 
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It is a safe gamble. Twenty-eight percent of men age 85 have dementia in some form or another.

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/1 ... 4.full.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:26 pm 
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We will find out for sure a month from now.

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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:54 pm 
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Hi Everybody Wang Chung :smile:

Everybody Wang Chung wrote:

there would be a massive outpouring of support and love from the members.



I would imagine that there would be enormous support and expressions of love from many outside of the members as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:23 am 
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
.... his only remarks were in the form of a pre-recorded message, in which President Monson expressed his thanks to all who participated in the concert and to concert-goers for their expressions of love.

The media department gets an urgent call at the end of April from the office of the president.

"We need you to record President Monson making closing remarks for his birthday bash in August, NOW!!!"

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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:36 am 
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
It is also interesting to note that President Monson will not be dedicating the Brigham City Temple next month. My money is on President Monson not dedicating the Calgary Temple in October (it's very unusual that NO announcement has been made that Monson will dedicate the Calgary Temple)..

I also wonder how they will handle Pres. Monson's appearances for the upcoming general conference. Will he speak at all? Or will he not even be present? That will be interesting to observe.

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I don't think the Church has anything to fear from disclosing the truth regarding President Monson's mental/physical condition. On the contrary, there would be a massive outpouring of support and love from the members.

I honestly believe that initially it would upset and confuse many active members. But knowing how TBMs think, I think they would manipulate it in their minds to become a very faith promoting experience / example.

They'd say things like, "This just strengthens my testimony that the Lord is in control. He foresaw things like this happening to our prophets in their old age and saw fit to ordain many to be Prophet, Seer, and Revelator on earth at the same time....and so on.... "

Then there would be an outpouring of love, support, and compassion for Pres. Monson and we'd hear story after story about others with Alzheimer's disease and there would be more faith promoting stories about that.

I think the entire thing would be more of a net positive than a net negative for the church. And, it would be a heck of a lot easier and less stressful than trying to cover it up and making excuses for his absence or strange behavior.


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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:27 pm 
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Does this now make Monson a lame duck President and, as he is sole owner of the assets of the Church is this situation covered by a living will of some sort or some contingency within the corporations articles?

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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:55 am 
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I think Mr Monson should have paid more attention to living the word of wisdom...

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Middle aged people who are overweight but not obese, are 71% more likely to develop dementia than those with a normal weight, according to research.

Previous studies have indicated a link between obesity and dementia.

But a study 8,534 of Swedish twins, in the journal Neurology, suggests just being overweight is also a risk factor.

About one out of every 20 people above the age of the 65 has dementia. The Alzheimer's Society said a healthy lifestyle could reduce the risk.

Those with a body mass index (BMI) - which measures weight relative to height - greater than 30, who are classified as obese, were 288% more likely to develop dementia than those with a BMI between 20 and 25, according to the study.

The clinically overweight, who have a BMI between 25 and 30, were 71% more likely.

Dr Weili Xu, from the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, told the BBC: "We found in this study that being overweight is also a risk for dementia later in life."

"The risk is not as substantial as for [the] obese, but it has public health importance because of this large number of people worldwide who are overweight," Dr Xu added

The Daily Mail

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13213755

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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:27 am 
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Madison54 wrote:

I think the entire thing would be more of a net positive than a net negative for the church. And, it would be a heck of a lot easier and less stressful than trying to cover it up and making excuses for his absence or strange behavior.


I fear this is just another side effect of the LDS Church's insistence on having a living prophet at its head who guides as directed by God.

How can we trust the Lord's mouthpiece if he has dementia?

Hence the actual state of his mental condition must be kept secret.

And once more the LDS Church ends up looking like the Soviet Union.

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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:26 am 
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consiglieri wrote:
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And once more the LDS Church ends up looking like the Soviet Union.

All the Best!

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I don't remember if it was the death of Yuri Andropov or Konstantin Chernenko (other mummy)...

In Hungary, all the TV announcers appeared in black, on the evening before the statement. They waited the official notification.
Everybody knew The Tzar is dead.

BTW the word official is copyright of bcspace here.

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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:15 am 
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Not that I have looked at the corporate documents of the church, but I would imagine that the corporate charter or bylaws or whatever has some mechanism for what happens when the person who owns the whole dang thing is incapacitated.

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Does this now make Monson a lame duck President and, as he is sole owner of the assets of the Church is this situation covered by a living will of some sort or some contingency within the corporations articles?

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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:49 pm 
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How can we trust the Lord's mouthpiece if he has dementia?

No kidding. It makes me wonder if we'll ever hear Monson speak again in GC.

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Hence the actual state of his mental condition must be kept secret.

And once more the LDS Church ends up looking like the Soviet Union.

Exactly.

It will be interesting, if Monson doesn't speak in GC anymore, who will take over his role in the traditional speaking spots reserved for the President of the church? Will it be Eyring, or Uchdorf? Or Packer?


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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:53 pm 
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I also wonder if Monson will even be in attendance at GC. I mean, if he doesn't understand why he won't be speaking, how will they be able to control his behavior if he is in attendance?

This sounds like it is going to be a very delicate thing to manage. My thoughts are that they won't be able to permit him to be on the stand. Too much of a chance for him doing something embarrassing if he's in attendance but not permitted to speak.


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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:14 pm 
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Exactly.

It will be interesting, if Monson doesn't speak in GC anymore, who will take over his role in the traditional speaking spots reserved for the President of the church? Will it be Eyring, or Uchdorf? Or Packer?


I suppose they could just have someone plagiarize a speech from C.S. Lewis, and then have one of the counselors read it on behalf of Monson, like Monson did for ET Benson back in the day.

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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:12 pm 
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Ludd wrote:

This sounds like it is going to be a very delicate thing to manage. My thoughts are that they won't be able to permit him to be on the stand. Too much of a chance for him doing something embarrassing if he's in attendance but not permitted to speak.


If he is in attendance, he will have to be permitted to speak. Who, exactly, will stop him, Will? When President Benson was in his dotage, Elder Monson was not able to prevent him from going off script at the priesthood general conference session about "communist potato peelings," though he did quickly steer him back to his seat.

I am sorry that this is happening to President Monson. I think he is a good man and I wouldn't wish this on anybody, certainly not a man of his character.

I think it was shameful the way his handlers got him to pose for the groundbreaking of the City Creek Mall, even getting him to say, "One, two three, let's go shopping!" I can't imagine his doing this of his own accord if he were in full possession of his faculties.

One more reason to have emeritus status for apostles.

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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:19 pm 
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They can just splice in footage from a previous conference. His talks are all the same anyhow, so most people wouldn't even notice.

As his recycled articles...

see my comment here

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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Scratch's Intel on President Monson was Correct
PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:32 am 
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Monson's health problems are exacerbated by his self inflicted obesity.
How can the President and Prophet of a Church that has a health code as part its member worthiness measure, including an instruction about eating in moderation, be obese and still be a credible figure head?

This is like the CEO of Dell computers using an iMac!

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