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 Post subject: Re: Active LDS: Would u give your 14 yr old daughter to Thom
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 11:07 pm 
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Active LDS: Would u give your 14 yr old daughter to Thomas?


1. If I lived in a time in which marriage and maturity norm's were very different from today, that marriage of 14-18 year olds were common place like they were in Joseph's day and long previous in history, then I would consider it if everything was right about it and it was the wish of my daughter.

2. Joseph's marriage was a "sealing". There is no actual evidence of it being a "sexual" or Polygamous marriage either.

As usual, the anti-mormon creates a Straw-man that he uses to attack and belittle something or someone.

Because:
A. Younger Marriages were not considered "abnormal" in Joseph's day, thus he begins with a lie in his question.
B. There is no evidence that Marriage was anything more than a "Sealing Ordinance".

Further, as we can see from the responces in the thread, all the anti-mormons just RUN with the lie, the misrepresentation, attributing evil to the situation and to Joseph, and to LDS believers. An evil by the way we most certainly would not support if the question was an actual REAL one based on REAL facts and reality.

Thus, NO.... according to your strawman, we wouldn't. According to the actual truth, we would consider it.


So, in summary, you would allow your 14 year old daughter to be the polygamous wife of a Mormon prophet. I wouldn't expect anything less from you. There's no way in hell I would allow my 14 year old daughter to marry anybody. But I understand that as a believing Mormon you would be required to obey the prophet if he asked for your daughter, or even your wife.

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 8:58 am 
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I love the irony of seeing ldsfaqs invoke societal norms to defend Joseph Smith's practice of polygamy with young teen girls, which was about as far against societal norms as you can get, 19th century or not.

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 9:14 am 
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So, in summary, you would allow your 14 year old daughter to be the polygamous wife of a Mormon prophet. I wouldn't expect anything less from you. There's no way in hell I would allow my 14 year old daughter to marry anybody. But I understand that as a believing moron you would be required to obey the prophet if he asked for your daughter, or even your wife.

Handing over another person is nothing. BS on that. Ditto the Abraham and Isaac story. What I want to know is if the Prophet told faqs that he had to give him a BJ every morning would faqs do it? Now that's FAITH. :lol:

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I love the irony of seeing ldsfaqs invoke societal norms to defend Joseph Smith's practice of polygamy with young teen girls, which was about as far against societal norms as you can get, 19th century or not.


Taking into societal norms for that time and place, the appropriate response to Joseph Smith's proposition would have been to gather friends and family, forceably remove him from his home late at night, and tar and feather him.


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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 9:59 am 
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Whatever happened to God's unchanging standards of morality, you know, those moral absolutes that Elder Oaks keeps talking about?

If it was okay to marry a 14 year old back then it should be okay to do it today. Society can't tell God what is right and wrong!

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I love the irony of seeing ldsfaqs invoke societal norms to defend Joseph Smith's practice of polygamy with young teen girls, which was about as far against societal norms as you can get, 19th century or not.


Indeed. But one is left wondering how polygamy was the great test of faith it was meant to be, that faqs has told us it was, if it wasn't the slightest challenge to the norms of the folks told to live it?

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 10:31 am 
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fetchface wrote:
I love the irony of seeing ldsfaqs invoke societal norms to defend Joseph Smith's practice of polygamy with young teen girls, which was about as far against societal norms as you can get, 19th century or not.


Indeed. But one is left wondering how polygamy was the great test of faith it was meant to be, that faqs has told us it was, if it wasn't the slightest challenge to the norms of the folks told to live it?


You could argue that marrying 14 year old girls was traditional marriage. One was male, one was female, it was legal. By preventing Middle aged men from being able to legally marry 14 year old girls the Utah legislature is not allowing constituted religious freedoms and is seeking to alter the definition of traditional marriage. Why isn't Oaks fighting for this?

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Man reading the comments of faqs, mg and tobin remind of yesterday when I was waiting in the checkout line reading the tabloids. The headline "to BJ or not to BJ" comes (pun intended) to mind.

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 11:21 am 
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You all fully ignoring what I actually said, for instead your negative false fantasy's is not a condemnation of us, it is a condemnation of you.

Your lying bigotry is not us. Context, facts, and truth is everything in a situation, and judgment of a thing. You all omiting those key things to judge a thing and people, is not our sin, it is yours.

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 11:29 am 
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Hypothetical question to active, married, full tithe paying, garment wearing, temple recommend carrying AND temple/church attending members:

Would you tell your daughter to go to the old man, if Thomas Monson came to you and promised that if you handed over your cute, innocent, 14 year old daughter(who was almost 15) to him in plural marriage, that he would ensure you get a one way ticket to the highest level in the CK?

Be honest and place yourselves in that type of situation. You get called into the stake presidents office and there is Thomas S. Monson.


No. I don't really care about a "one way ticket to the highest level of the CK". If I or my family get to heaven some day and have the opportunity to be sealed together and have association with one another, that would be cool. But I don't really care about fast tracking it. Not when there is a whole eternity to consider. If there is a CK and my family and I can get there without the whole polygamy gig, I think I would go that route.

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MG is still is still wrong.

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If there is a CK and my family and I can get there without the whole polygamy gig, I think I would go that route.


So would have every other Mormon man and his wives and daughters. Why do you get an option they didn't have?

To be clear: You and your family can only get to the Celestial kingdom the long way by sustaining a prophet who coerced his friends and neighbors into the "short way" leading to misery and suffering. If it sounds like the critics are unfairly putting you in between a rock and a hard place, it isn't true. Your own church leaders have done that part. Your only real choice is to leave the Church.

It's not the fault of the critics that Joseph Smith invented a sex cult. It could have been otherwise, Joseph Smith could have been a false prophet of a more or less decent church. His lies about revelations and the Church's incongruity with science is one thing, but the sheer immorality and manipulation of others by Smith is another. The last part wasn't needed to start a church with the Book of Mormon as keystone, but since he did it that way, it's integral to it and there is no getting around it.

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 12:14 pm 
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ldsfaqs wrote:
You all fully ignoring what I actually said, for instead your negative false fantasy's is not a condemnation of us, it is a condemnation of you.

Your lying bigotry is not us. Context, facts, and truth is everything in a situation, and judgment of a thing.
You all omiting those key things to judge a thing and people, is not our sin, it is yours.


So, I can mark your answer as, 'Yes'?


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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:55 am 
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What I want to know is if the Prophet told faqs that he had to give him a BJ every morning would faqs do it? Now that's FAITH. :lol:

OMG

If the prophet asked faqs for a BJ, OMG, I cannot even... I mean

Hey maybe God is gay and prefers thick burly guys with unkept beards...

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 8:16 am 
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Polygamy-Porter wrote:
Hypothetical question to active, married, full tithe paying, garment wearing, temple recommend carrying AND temple/church attending members:

Would you tell your daughter to go to the old man, if Thomas Monson came to you and promised that if you handed over your cute, innocent, 14 year old daughter(who was almost 15) to him in plural marriage, that he would ensure you get a one way ticket to the highest level in the CK?

Be honest and place yourselves in that type of situation. You get called into the stake presidents office and there is Thomas S. Monson.


Yes. Because she would kick his ass. Then I would have my revenge, after she divorces his frail butt and takes half of all he owns so I can get some of my tithing money back. Some of the women in my family are meaner than honey badgers. My daughter is one of them. She's still little, but I can tell she has the gene. I'm one of the few fathers of a daughter in this world who can't wait for her to start dating. I can't wait to see them squirm.

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 9:55 pm 
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Polygamy-Porter wrote:
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What I want to know is if the Prophet told faqs that he had to give him a BJ every morning would faqs do it? Now that's FAITH. :lol:

OMG

If the prophet asked faqs for a BJ, OMG, I cannot even... I mean

Hey maybe God is gay and prefers thick burly guys with unkept beards...


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