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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:54 pm 
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Genesis 36:1-43 Genesis 36
New Living Translation (NLT)

Descendants of Esau (also known as Edom). Esau married two young women from Canaan: Adah, the daughter of Elon the Hittite; and Oholibamah, the daughter of Anah and granddaughter of Zibeon the Hivite. He also married his cousin Basemath, the daughter of Ishmael, and sister to Nebaioth.

Adah had Eliphaz
Basemath had Reuel.
Oholibamah had Jeush, Jalam, and Korah born in the land of Canaan.

Esau took everything and moved away from Jacob because there was not enough land to support them both. Esau settles in the hill country of Seir.
The account of Esau’s descendants (Edomites) who moved there.

Of Eliphaz were Teman, Omar, Zepho, Gatam, and Kenaz. Timna, the concubine of Eliphaz, had Amalek.
Of Reuel were Nahath, Zerah, Shammah, and Mizzah.
Through Oholibamah were Jeush, Jalam, and Korah.

Original People/tribes of Edom descended from Seir the Horite: Lotan, Shobal, Zibeon, Anah, Dishon, Ezer, and Dishan. These were the Horite clan leaders, the descendants of Seir, who lived in the land of Edom.
Descendants of Lotan were Hori and Hemam. Lotan’s sister was named Timna.
Descendants of Shobal were Alvan, Manahath, Ebal, Shepho, and Onam.
Descendants of Zibeon were Aiah and Anah.
Descendants of Anah were his son, Dishon, and his daughter, Oholibamah.
Descendants of Dishon were Hemdan, Eshban, Ithran, and Keran.
Descendants of Ezer were Bilhan, Zaavan, and Akan.
Descendants of Dishan were Uz and Aran.

Rulers of Edom before any king ruled over the Israelites:
Bela son of Beor, ruled in Edom from his city of Dinhabah.
Next came Jobab son of Zerah from Bozrah.
Next came Husham from the land of the Temanites.
Next came Hadad son of Bedad and ruled from the city of Avith.
Next came Samlah from the city of Masrekah.
Next came Shaul from the city of Rehoboth-on-the-River.
Next came Baal-hanan son of Acbor.
Next came Hadad and ruled from the city of Pau with his wife Mehetabel.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And these [are] births of Esau, who [is] Edom.

2 Esau hath taken his wives from the daughters of Canaan: Adah daughter of Elon the Hittite, and Aholibamah daughter of Anah, daughter of Zibeon the Hivite,

3 and Bashemath daughter of Ishmael, sister of Nebajoth.

4 And Adah beareth to Esau, Eliphaz; and Bashemath hath born Reuel;

5 and Aholibamah hath born Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah. These [are] sons of Esau, who were born to him in the land of Canaan.

6 And Esau taketh his wives, and his sons, and his daughters, and all the persons of his house, and his cattle, and all his beasts, and all his substance which he hath acquired in the land of Canaan, and goeth into the country from the face of Jacob his brother;

7 for their substance was more abundant than to dwell together, and the land of their sojournings was not able to bear them because of their cattle;

8 and Esau dwelleth in mount Seir: Esau is Edom.

9 And these [are] births of Esau, father of Edom, in mount Seir.

10 These [are] the names of the sons of Esau: Eliphaz son of Adah, wife of Esau; Reuel son of Bashemath, wife of Esau.

11 And the sons of Eliphaz are Teman, Omar, Zepho, and Gatam, and Kenaz;

12 and Timnath hath been concubine to Eliphaz son of Esau, and she beareth to Eliphaz, Amalek; these [are] sons of Adah wife of Esau.

13 And these [are] sons of Reuel: Nahath and Zerah, Shammah and Mizzah; these were sons of Bashemath wife of Esau.

14 And these have been the sons of Aholibamah daughter of Anah, daughter of Zibeon, wife of Esau; and she beareth to Esau, Jeush and Jaalam and Korah.

15 These [are] chiefs of the sons of Esau: sons of Eliphaz, first-born of Esau: chief Teman, chief Omar, chief Zepho, chief Kenaz,

16 chief Korah, chief Gatam, chief Amalek; these [are] chiefs of Eliphaz, in the land of Edom; these [are] sons of Adah.

17 And these [are] sons of Reuel son of Esau: chief Nahath, chief Zerah, chief Shammah, chief Mizzah; these [are] chiefs of Reuel, in the land of Edom; these [are] sons of Bashemath wife of Esau.

18 And these [are] sons of Aholibamah wife of Esau: chief Jeush, chief Jaalam, chief Korah; these [are] chiefs of Aholibamah daughter of Anah, wife of Esau.

19 These [are] sons of Esau (who [is] Edom), and these their chiefs.

20 These [are] sons of Seir the Horite, the inhabitants of the land: Lotan, and Shobal, and Zibeon, and Anah,

21 and Dishon, and Ezer, and Dishan; these [are] chiefs of the Horites, sons of Seir, in the land of Edom.

22 And the sons of Lotan are Hori and Heman; and a sister of Lotan [is] Timna.

23 And these [are] sons of Shobal: Alvan and Manahath, and Ebal, Shepho and Onam.

24 And these [are] sons of Zibeon, both Ajah and Anah: it [is] Anah that hath found the Imim in the wilderness, in his feeding the asses of Zibeon his father.

25 And these [are] sons of Anah: Dishon, and Aholibamah daughter of Anah.

26 And these [are] sons of Dishon: Hemdan, and Eshban, and Ithran, and Cheran.

27 These [are] sons of Ezer: Bilhan, and Zaavan, and Akan.

28 These [are] sons of Dishan: Uz and Aran.

29 These [are] chiefs of the Horite: chief Lotan, chief Shobal, chief Zibeon, chief Anah,

30 chief Dishon, chief Ezer, chief Dishan: these [are] chiefs of the Horite in reference to their chiefs in the land of Seir.

31 And these [are] the kings who have reigned in the land of Edom before the reigning of a king over the sons of Israel.

32 And Bela son of Beor reigneth in Edom, and the name of his city [is] Dinhabah;

33 and Bela dieth, and reign in his stead doth Jobab son of Zerah from Bozrah;

34 and Jobab dieth, and reign in his stead doth Husham from the land of the Temanite.

35 And Husham dieth, and reign in his stead doth Hadad son of Bedad (who smiteth Midian in the field of Moab), and the name of his city [is] Avith;

36 and Hadad dieth, and reign in his stead doth Samlah of Masrekah;

37 and Samlah dieth, and reign in his stead doth Saul from Rehoboth of the River;

38 and Saul dieth, and reign in his stead doth Baal-hanan son of Achbor;

39 and Baal-hanan son of Achbor dieth, and reign in his stead doth Hadar, and the name of his city [is] Pau; and his wife's name [is] Mehetabel daughter of Matred, daughter of Me-zahab.

40 And these [are] the names of the chiefs of Esau, according to their families, according to their places, by their names: chief Timnah, chief Alvah, chief Jetheth,

41 chief Aholibamah, chief Elah, chief Pinon,

42 chief Kenaz, chief Teman, chief Mibzar,

43 chief Magdiel, chief Iram: these [are] chiefs of Edom, in reference to their dwellings, in the land of their possession; he [is] Esau father of Edom.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:59 pm 
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Nipper, when will you finish the whole Bible?


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:07 am 
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Genesis 37:1-36 Jacob settled again in Canaan --- there Isaac had lived as a foreigner. Joseph is seventeen and tended his dad's flocks. He worked for his half brothers, the sons of his father’s wives Bilhah and Zilpah. Joseph reported to his father some of the bad things his brothers were doing. Jacob loved Joseph more than any of his other children because Joseph had been born to him in his old age. Jacob had a beautiful made for Josepd. The brothers hated Joseph because their father loved him more. One night Joseph has a dream, and when he tells his brothers about it, they hated him even more. Joseph says that in the dream they were out in the field, tying up bundles of grain. Suddenly his bundle stood up, and the brother's bundles all gathered around and bowed. They saw Joseph as high and mighty. And they hated him all the more because of his dream. Joseph had another dream, and again he told his brothers about it. In this dream the sun, moon, and eleven stars bowed low before him. This time he told the dream to his father as well as to his brothers, but his father scolded him. However, Jacob pondered the dreams meaning. Joseph’s brothers went to pasture their father’s flocks at Shechem. They had been gone for some time, Jacob sent Joseph to them to see how your brothers and the flocks are getting along. So Jacob sent him on his way, and Joseph traveled to Shechem from their home in the valley of Hebron. When Joseph arrived there, a man from the area noticed him wandering around the countryside. Joseph asked about his brothers. The man told him that they moved on to Dothan. So Joseph followed his brothers to Dothan. When Joseph’s brothers saw him coming, they recognized him in the distance. As he approached, they made plans to kill him and throw him into one of the cisterns. The plan being to tell the father a wild animal slayed him. But when Reuben (the eldest) heard of their scheme, he came to Joseph’s rescue. He suggested throwing Joseph into this empty cistern here in the wilderness. He would die without laying a hand on him. Reuben was secretly planning to rescue Joseph and return him to his father. When Joseph arrived, his brothers ripped off the beautiful robe he was wearing. They grabbed him and threw him into the cistern. Then, as they were sitting down to eat, they saw a caravan of camels in the distance coming toward them. It was a group of Ishmaelite traders taking a load of gum, balm, and aromatic resin from Gilead down to Egypt. Judah suggests selling Joseph into slavery Instead of hurting him. After all, he was their brother (flesh and blood). So when the Ishmaelites, who were Midianite traders, came by, Joseph’s brothers pulled him out of the cistern and sold him for twenty pieces of silver. The traders took him to Egypt. Some time later, Reuben returned to get Joseph out of the cistern. When he discovered that Joseph was missing, he tore his clothes in grief. 30 Then he went back to his brothers and cried. The brothers killed a young goat and dipped Joseph’s robe in its blood. They sent the beautiful robe to their father with a message of finding the robe. Their father recognized it immediately. Jacob thinks wild animal must have eaten him. Then Jacob tore his clothes and dressed himself in burlap. He mourned deeply for his son for a long time. His family all tried to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted. Meanwhile, the Midianite traders arrived in Egypt, and sold Joseph to Potiphar an official of Pharaoh, the king of Egypt.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And Jacob dwelleth in the land of his father's sojournings -- in the land of Canaan.

2 These [are] births of Jacob: Joseph, a son of seventeen years, hath been enjoying himself with his brethren among the flock, (and he [is] a youth,) with the sons of Bilhah, and with the sons of Zilpah, his father's wives, and Joseph bringeth in an account of their evil unto their father.

3 And Israel hath loved Joseph more than any of his sons, for he [is] a son of his old age, and hath made for him a long coat;

4 and his brethren see that their father hath loved him more than any of his brethren, and they hate him, and have not been able to speak [to] him peaceably.

5 And Joseph dreameth a dream, and declareth to his brethren, and they add still more to hate him.

6 And he saith unto them, `Hear ye, I pray you, this dream which I have dreamed:

7 that, lo, we are binding bundles in the midst of the field, and lo, my bundle hath arisen, and hath also stood up, and lo, your bundles are round about, and bow themselves to my bundle.'

8 And his brethren say to him, `Dost thou certainly reign over us? dost thou certainly rule over us?' and they add still more to hate him, for his dreams, and for his words.

9 And he dreameth yet another dream, and recounteth it to his brethren, and saith, `Lo, I have dreamed a dream again, and lo, the sun and the moon, and eleven stars, are bowing themselves to me.'

10 And he recounteth unto his father, and unto his brethren; and his father pusheth against him, and saith to him, `What [is] this dream which thou hast dreamt? do we certainly come -- I, and thy mother, and thy brethren -- to bow ourselves to thee, to the earth?'

11 and his brethren are zealous against him, and his father hath watched the matter.

12 And his brethren go to feed the flock of their father in Shechem,

13 and Israel saith unto Joseph, `Are not thy brethren feeding in Shechem? come, and I send thee unto them;' and he saith to him, `Here [am] I;'

14 and he saith to him, `Go, I pray thee, see the peace of thy brethren, and the peace of the flock, and bring me back word;' and he sendeth him from the valley of Hebron, and he cometh to Shechem.

15 And a man findeth him, and lo, he is wandering in the field, and the man asketh him, saying, `What seekest thou?'

16 and he saith, `My brethren I am seeking, declare to me, I pray thee, where they are feeding?'

17 And the man saith, `They have journeyed from this, for I have heard some saying, Let us go to Dothan,' and Joseph goeth after his brethren, and findeth them in Dothan.

18 And they see him from afar, even before he draweth near unto them, and they conspire against him to put him to death.

19 And they say one unto another, `Lo, this man of the dreams cometh;

20 and now, come, and we slay him, and cast him into one of the pits, and have said, An evil beast hath devoured him; and we see what his dreams are.'

21 And Reuben heareth, and delivereth him out of their hand, and saith, `Let us not smite the life;'

22 and Reuben saith unto them, `Shed no blood; cast him into this pit which [is] in the wilderness, and put not forth a hand upon him,' -- in order to deliver him out of their hand, to bring him back unto his father.

23 And it cometh to pass, when Joseph hath come unto his brethren, that they strip Joseph of his coat, the long coat which [is] upon him,

24 and take him and cast him into the pit, and the pit [is] empty, there is no water in it.

25 And they sit down to eat bread, and they lift up their eyes, and look, and lo, a company of Ishmaelites coming from Gilead, and their camels bearing spices, and balm, and myrrh, going to take [them] down to Egypt.

26 And Judah saith unto his brethren, `What gain when we slay our brother, and have concealed his blood?

27 Come, and we sell him to the Ishmaelites, and our hands are not on him, for he [is] our brother -- our flesh;' and his brethren hearken.

28 And Midianite merchantmen pass by and they draw out and bring up Joseph out of the pit, and sell Joseph to the Ishmaelites for twenty silverlings, and they bring Joseph into Egypt.

29 And Reuben returneth unto the pit, and lo, Joseph is not in the pit, and he rendeth his garments,

30 and he returneth unto his brethren, and saith, `The lad is not, and I -- whither am I going?'

31 And they take the coat of Joseph, and slaughter a kid of the goats, and dip the coat in the blood,

32 and send the long coat, and they bring [it] in unto their father, and say, `This have we found; discern, we pray thee, whether it [is] thy son's coat or not?'

33 And he discerneth it, and saith, `My son's coat! an evil beast hath devoured him; torn -- torn is Joseph!'

34 And Jacob rendeth his raiment, and putteth sackcloth on his loins, and becometh a mourner for his son many days,

35 and all his sons and all his daughters rise to comfort him, and he refuseth to comfort himself, and saith, `For -- I go down mourning unto my son, to Sheol,' and his father weepeth for him.

36 And the Medanites have sold him unto Egypt, to Potiphar, a eunuch of Pharaoh, head of the executioners.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:59 pm 
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Nipper, when will you finish the whole Bible?


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:28 pm 
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Nipper, please give us an estimate as to when you may go through the entire Bible.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:47 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
Nipper, please give us an estimate as to when you may go through the entire Bible.

Well, about a chapter a day.


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Genesis 38:1-38 About this time, Judah left home and moved to Adullam, where he stayed with a man named Hirah and saw a Canaanite woman, the daughter of Shua, and he married her. through her Judah has three sons Er, Onan, & Shelah. At the time of Shelah’s birth, they were living at Kezib. In time, Judah arranged for his firstborn son, Er, to marry a young woman named Tamar. But Er was a wicked man in the Lord’s sight, so the Lord took his life. Judah says to Onan, to marry Tamar, as their law requires of the brother of a man who has died. And produce for the brother an heir (NOTE: perhaps Er was a homosexual --- as he married but doesn't seem to have had sex with his wife). Onan was not willing to have a child who would not be his own heir. So whenever he had intercourse with his brother’s wife, he spilled the semen on the ground. This prevented her from having a child who would belong to his brother. The Lord considered it evil for Onan to play around with Tamar and then deny a child to his dead brother. So the Lord took Onan’s life, also. Judah says to Tamar, his daughter-in-law, to return the parents’ home and remain a widow until Shelah is old enough to marry. But Judah didn’t really intend to do this because he was afraid Shelah would also die. Tamar goes back to live in her father’s home. Some years later Judah’s wife died. After the time of mourning was over, Judah and his friend Hirah the Adullamite went up to Timnah to supervise the shearing of his sheep. Someone tells Tamar that her father-in-law is going to Timnah to shear his sheep. Tamar was aware that Shelah had grown up, but no arrangements had been to marry him. She changed out of her widow’s clothing and covered herself with a veil to disguise herself. Then she sat beside the road at the entrance to the village of Enaim, which is on the road to Timnah. Judah noticed her and thought she was a prostitute, as she had covered her face. He stops and propositions her not realizing that she was his own daughter-in-law. Tamar asks what will he pay. Judah promises a young goat. She demands proof and gets Judah's identification seal and its cord and his walking stick. She became pregnant ---- going back home and putting on her usual widow’s clothing. Judah then asks his friend Hirah the Adullamite to take the young goat to the woman and to pick up the things he had given her as his guarantee. Hirah couldn’t find her. So Hirah returned to Judah to tell him, he couldn’t find her anywhere. Judah says to forget it they'll look like fools. About three months later, Judah was told, Tamar has acted like a prostitute. And she’s pregnant. Judah demanded that she be burned. As they were taking her out to kill her, she sent this message to her father-in-law reading the man who owns these things made me pregnant --- regarding the seal and cord and walking stick. Judah recognized them immediately declared Tamarh to be more righteous than himself, because he hadn't arrange for Tamarh to marry Shelah. Judah never slept with Tamar again. When the time came for Tamar to give birth, it was discovered that she was carrying twins. While she was in labor, one of the babies reached out his hand. The midwife grabbed it and tied a scarlet string around the child’s wrist, announcing that one to be 1st. But then he pulled back his hand, and out came his brother! The midwife was amazed. So he was named Perez. Then the baby with the scarlet string on his wrist was born, and named Zerah.

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1 And it cometh to pass, at that time, that Judah goeth down from his brethren, and turneth aside unto a man, an Adullamite, whose name [is] Hirah;

2 and Judah seeth there the daughter of a man, a Canaanite, whose name [is] Shuah, and taketh her, and goeth in unto her.

3 And she conceiveth, and beareth a son, and he calleth his name Er;

4 and she conceiveth again, and beareth a son, and calleth his name Onan;

5 and she addeth again, and beareth a son, and calleth his name Shelah; and he was in Chezib in her bearing him.

6 And Judah taketh a wife for Er, his first-born, and her name [is] Tamar;

7 and Er, Judah's first-born, is evil in the eyes of Jehovah, and Jehovah doth put him to death.

8 And Judah saith to Onan, `Go in unto the wife of thy brother, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother;'

9 and Onan knoweth that the seed is not [reckoned] his; and it hath come to pass, if he hath gone in unto his brother's wife, that he hath destroyed [it] to the earth, so as not to give seed to his brother;

10 and that which he hath done is evil in the eyes of Jehovah, and He putteth him also to death.

11 And Judah saith to Tamar his daughter-in-law, `Abide a widow at thy father's house, till Shelah my son groweth up;' for he said, `Lest he die -- even he -- like his brethren;' and Tamar goeth and dwelleth at her father's house.

12 And the days are multiplied, and the daughter of Shuah, Judah's wife, dieth; and Judah is comforted, and goeth up unto his sheep-shearers, he and Hirah his friend the Adullamite, to Timnath.

13 And it is declared to Tamar, saying, `Lo, thy husband's father is going up to Timnath to shear his flock;'

14 and she turneth aside the garments of her widowhood from off her, and covereth herself with a vail, and wrappeth herself up, and sitteth in the opening of Enayim, which [is] by the way to Timnath, for she hath seen that Shelah hath grown up, and she hath not been given to him for a wife.

15 And Judah seeth her, and reckoneth her for a harlot, for she hath covered her face,

16 and he turneth aside unto her by the way, and saith, `Come, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee,' (for he hath not known that she [is] his daughter-in-law); and she saith, `What dost thou give to me, that thou mayest come in unto me?'

17 and he saith, `I -- I send a kid of the goats from the flock.' And she saith, `Dost thou give a pledge till thou send [it]?'

18 and he saith, `What [is] the pledge that I give to thee?' and she saith, `Thy seal, and thy ribbon, and thy staff which [is] in thy hand;' and he giveth to her, and goeth in unto her, and she conceiveth to him;

19 and she riseth, and goeth, and turneth aside her vail from off her, and putteth on the garments of her widowhood.

20 And Judah sendeth the kid of the goats by the hand of his friend the Adullamite, to receive the pledge from the hand of the woman, and he hath not found her.

21 And he asketh the men of her place, saying, `Where [is] the separated one -- she in Enayim, by the way?' and they say, `There hath not been in this [place] a separated one.'

22 And he turneth back unto Judah, and saith, `I have not found her; and the men of the place also have said, There hath not been in this [place] a separated one,'

23 and Judah saith, `Let her take to herself, lest we become despised; lo, I sent this kid, and thou hast not found her.'

24 And it cometh to pass about three months [after], that it is declared to Judah, saying, `Tamar thy daughter-in-law hath committed fornication; and also, lo, she hath conceived by fornication:' and Judah saith, `Bring her out -- and she is burnt.'

25 She is brought out, and she hath sent unto her husband's father, saying, `To a man whose these [are], I [am] pregnant;' and she saith, `Discern, I pray thee, whose [are] these -- the seal, and the ribbons, and the staff.'

26 And Judah discerneth and saith, `She hath been more righteous than I, because that I did not give her to Shelah my son;' and he hath not added to know her again.

27 And it cometh to pass in the time of her bearing, that lo, twins [are] in her womb;

28 and it cometh to pass in her bearing, that [one] giveth out a hand, and the midwife taketh and bindeth on his hand a scarlet thread, saying, `This hath come out first.'

29 And it cometh to pass as he draweth back his hand, that lo, his brother hath come out, and she saith, `What! thou hast broken forth -- on thee [is] the breach;' and he calleth his name Pharez;

30 and afterwards hath his brother come out, on whose hand [is] the scarlet thread, and he calleth his name Zarah.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:25 am 
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LittleNipper wrote:
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Nipper, please give us an estimate as to when you may go through the entire Bible.

Well, about a chapter a day.

Then (as there are 1189 chapters) the Nth coming's day reaches us at or around 2015 summer.

Nothing compared to 2000 yrs waiting.

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:45 pm 
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ludwigm wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:
Well, about a chapter a day.

Then (as there are 1189 chapters) the Nth coming's day reaches us at or around 2015 summer.

Nothing compared to 2000 yrs waiting.


So... There are people who take 30 years to pay off a mortgage. That would be 2042. It is so hard to devote a few minutes a day considering Bible text?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:48 pm 
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LittleNipper wrote:

So... There are people who take 30 years to pay off a mortgage. That would be 2042. It is so hard to devote a few minutes a day considering Bible text?


Paying a mortgage off gives a person tangible results that make sense...

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OK Nipper, I hope I will still be alive then.


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Living according to God's Word will produce an individual of good character --- tangible results that make sense...


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Genesis 39:1-23 Joseph was taken to Egypt and purchased by Potipher, a minister to Pharaoh. And Joseph becomes respected at Potipher's. Potipher sees that God is with Joseph and that he is of very good character. So Potipher places everything he has in the hands of Joseph. And Potipher is also blessed through Joseph. Now Joseph is young and gets a workout , so he is built and very handsome and this draws the attention of Potipher's wife. Joseph is about his work around the hose and there are no other men around. So, Potipher's wife (a real slut) tries to have sex with Joseph. However, he will have none of this and flees the mistress presents; however, Potipher's wife does grab hold of Joseph's cloth and rips it off (it is likely that Joseph ran naked from her). This Potipher's wife uses against Joseph. She hates him because he has insulted her and not given into her. So she tells her husband when he comes home) that Joseph attempted to rape her and the proof she has is his clothing. Joseph's master takes him, and puts him unto a round-house (a special place where the king's prisoners held). God is with Josephand he finds favorible treatment even there. Joseph now finds grace in the eyes of the head of the round-house, and into the hands of Joseph are placed all the prisoners in the round-house. And they do everything Joseph did under Joseph's watchful eyes. And the Head of the round-house sees that his own lot is improving as a result of Joseph. (Note: One must wonder why Potipher didn't have Joseph executed. Perhaps he actually knew what his wife was like. It maybe that he felt that Joseph was a servant of God and that this stronger god might be angered. In any case, Joseph is placed in the best prison imaginable. Joseph again gains a sort of respect.)


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And Joseph hath been brought down to Egypt, and Potiphar, a eunuch of Pharaoh, head of the executioners, an Egyptian man, buyeth him out of the hands of the Ishmaelites who have brought him thither.

2 And Jehovah is with Joseph, and he is a prosperous man, and he is in the house of his lord the Egyptian,

3 and his lord seeth that Jehovah is with him, and all that he is doing Jehovah is causing to prosper in his hand,

4 and Joseph findeth grace in his eyes and serveth him, and he appointeth him over his house, and all that he hath he hath given into his hand.

5 And it cometh to pass from the time that he hath appointed him over his house, and over all that he hath, that Jehovah blesseth the house of the Egyptian for Joseph's sake, and the blessing of Jehovah is on all that he hath, in the house, and in the field;

6 and he leaveth all that he hath in the hand of Joseph, and he hath not known anything that he hath, except the bread which he is eating. And Joseph is of a fair form, and of a fair appearance.

7 And it cometh to pass after these things, that his lord's wife lifteth up her eyes unto Joseph, and saith, `Lie with me;'

8 and he refuseth, and saith unto his lord's wife, `Lo, my lord hath not known what [is] with me in the house, and all that he hath he hath given into my hand;

9 none is greater in this house than I, and he hath not withheld from me anything, except thee, because thou [art] his wife; and how shall I do this great evil? -- then have I sinned against God.'

10 And it cometh to pass at her speaking unto Joseph day [by] day, that he hath not hearkened unto her, to lie near her, to be with her;

11 and it cometh to pass about this day, that he goeth into the house to do his work, and there is none of the men of the house there in the house,

12 and she catcheth him by his garment, saying, `Lie with me;' and he leaveth his garment in her hand, and fleeth, and goeth without.

13 And it cometh to pass when she seeth that he hath left his garment in her hand, and fleeth without,

14 that she calleth for the men of her house, and speaketh to them, saying, `See, he hath brought in to us a man, a Hebrew, to play with us; he hath come in unto me, to lie with me, and I call with a loud voice,

15 and it cometh to pass, when he heareth that I have lifted up my voice and call, that he leaveth his garment near me, and fleeth, and goeth without.'

16 And she placeth his garment near her, until the coming in of his lord unto his house.

17 And she speaketh unto him according to these words, saying, `The Hebrew servant whom thou hast brought unto us, hath come in unto me to play with me;

18 and it cometh to pass, when I lift my voice and call, that he leaveth his garment near me, and fleeth without.'

19 And it cometh to pass when his lord heareth the words of his wife, which she hath spoken unto him, saying, `According to these things hath thy servant done to me,' that his anger burneth;

20 and Joseph's lord taketh him, and putteth him unto the round-house, a place where the king's prisoners [are] bound; and he is there in the round-house.

21 And Jehovah is with Joseph, and stretcheth out kindness unto him, and putteth his grace in the eyes of the chief of the round-house;

22 and the chief of the round-house giveth into the hand of Joseph all the prisoners who [are] in the round-house, and of all that they are doing there, he hath been doer;

23 the chief of the round-house seeth not anything under his hand, because Jehovah [is] with him, and that which he is doing Jehovah is causing to prosper.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:00 pm 
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Genesis 40:1-23 Genesis 40 How it happened the Pharaoh became upset with the butlers head, and the bakers head man. And Pharaoh has them thrown into the round-house, where Joseph is imprisoned. And Joseph is placed in charge of their care. And they both have a dream one night. And Joseph sees them the next morning, and finds them really bummed out. Joseph asks them why they're sad. They say to him that they both had a dream and no one understands the meaning. Joseph tells them that God knows what they mean and that they should recount them to Joseph. The head butler says to him that in his dream, there is a vine in front of him. This healthy vine has three branches and is full of ripe grapes. The head butler is holding Pharaoh's cup and he proceeds to squeeze the ripe grapes into the cup, and then hands the cup to Pharaoh. Joseph explains the interpretation:
The three branches are three days; within three days Pharaoh will put the head butler back in his position. And he will once again be the cup bearer to Pharaoh --- as did this butler previously. Joseph asks that this head butler bring his plight to Pharoah once he is back in with Pharoah --- that Joseph was stolen out of his land and sold a slave.
Now, the head baker sees that Joseph provided a good interpretation, and so he says to Joseph that he also had a dream. He saw three baskets of white bread on his head. In the upper basket are all sorts of Pharaoh's food that the baker baked. Now, birds are eating this out of the basket, from off my head. Joseph's explains the interpretation:
The three baskets are three days; within three days Pharaoh will have the butcher's head cut off and then hang him on a tree. The birds will eat his flesh. And so on the third day, it was Pharaoh's birthday. Pharoah ordered a banquet for all his servants, and made example of both the Head Butler and of the Head Baker. The head butler, Pharoah exonerated; however the head baker he had executed. Of course the head butler promptly forgot all about poor Joseph. (Note: I believe possibly that Pharaoh might have been made sick by something he either ate or drank. Likely, during the 3 days it was determined that it was the food [perhaps food poisoning], and not the wine which sickened Pharaoh. This idea does not harm the Biblical account in anyway. Obviously, something happened at about the very same time to upset the Pharaoh with both individuals. But why is not the point of the story. The point is that Joseph depended on God to tell him the meaning of the dreams and didn't believe it was by his own work or power.)


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And it cometh to pass, after these things -- the butler of the king of Egypt and the baker have sinned against their lord, against the king of Egypt;

2 and Pharaoh is wroth against his two eunuchs, against the chief of the butlers, and against the chief of the bakers,

3 and giveth them in charge in the house of the chief of the executioners, unto the round-house, the place where Joseph [is] a prisoner,

4 and the chief of the executioners chargeth Joseph with them, and he serveth them; and they are days in charge.

5 And they dream a dream both of them, each his dream in one night, each according to the interpretation of his dream, the butler and the baker whom the king of Egypt hath, who [are] prisoners in the round-house.

6 And Joseph cometh in unto them in the morning, and seeth them, and lo, they [are] morose;

7 and he asketh Pharaoh's eunuchs who [are] with him in charge in the house of his lord, saying, `Wherefore [are] your faces sad to-day?'

8 And they say unto him, `A dream we have dreamed, and there is no interpreter of it;' and Joseph saith unto them, `Are not interpretations with God? recount, I pray you, to me.'

9 And the chief of the butlers recounteth his dream to Joseph, and saith to him, `In my dream, then lo, a vine [is] before me!

10 and in the vine [are] three branches, and it [is] as it were flourishing; gone up hath its blossom, its clusters have ripened grapes;

11 and Pharaoh's cup [is] in my hand, and I take the grapes and press them into the cup of Pharaoh, and I give the cup into the hand of Pharaoh.'

12 And Joseph saith to him, `This [is] its interpretation: the three branches are three days;

13 yet, within three days doth Pharaoh lift up thy head, and hath put thee back on thy station, and thou hast given the cup of Pharaoh into his hand, according to the former custom when thou wast his butler.

14 `Surely if thou hast remembered me with thee, when it is well with thee, and hast done (I pray thee) kindness with me, and hast made mention of me unto Pharaoh, then hast thou brought me out from this house,

15 for I was really stolen from the land of the Hebrews; and here also have I done nothing that they have put me in the pit.'

16 And the chief of the bakers seeth that he hath interpreted good, and he saith unto Joseph, `I also [am] in a dream, and lo, three baskets of white bread [are] on my head,

17 and in the uppermost basket [are] of all [kinds] of Pharaoh's food, work of a baker; and the birds are eating them out of the basket, from off my head.'

18 And Joseph answereth and saith, `This [is] its interpretation: the three baskets are three days;

19 yet, within three days doth Pharaoh lift up thy head from off thee, and hath hanged thee on a tree, and the birds have eaten thy flesh from off thee.'

20 And it cometh to pass, on the third day, Pharaoh's birthday, that he maketh a banquet to all his servants, and lifteth up the head of the chief of the butlers, and the head of the chief of the bakers among his servants,

21 and he putteth back the chief of the butlers to his butlership, and he giveth the cup into the hand of Pharaoh;

22 and the chief of the bakers he hath hanged, as Joseph hath interpreted to them;

23 and the chief of the butlers hath not remembered Joseph, but forgetteth him.


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gdemetz wrote:
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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:26 pm 
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Genesis 41:1-57 41 Two years pass amd Pharaoh dreams that he is standing on the bank of the Nile. Seven fat, healthy cows come up out of the river and begin eating marsh grass. Then seven skinny cows come up behind them from the Nile. The scrawny, cows ate the seven healthy, fat cows! Pharaoh wakes up. Again, Pharaoh goes to asleep and has a second dream. This time he sees seven heads of plump healthy grain, growing on a single stalk. Then seven more heads of grain appeared, but these were shriveled and withered by the east wind. These thin heads swallowed up the seven plump, well-formed heads! Pharaoh awakes up and realizes it was a dream. The next morning Pharaoh was very disturbed. He called for all the wizzards and wise men of Egypt. When Pharaoh told them his dreams, not one of them could tell him the meaning... Pharoah's head cup-bearer spoke up and recounted forgetting about a Hebrew he had been imprisoned with --- along with the head baker. And how one night they had a dream, and each dream had its own meaning. They told this Hebrew their dreams, and he explained their meaning. And everything happened just as he had interpreted. Pharaoh sent for Joseph at once. After Joseph was made presentable he stood before Pharaoh. Pharaoh told Joseph, that no one has been able to give an interpretation of his dream but that he understood Joseph could. Joseph replied that God can tell Pharoah the meaning and ease his mind --- not Joseph. So Pharaoh recounted to Joseph his dream. Joseph responded that both of Pharaoh’s dreams meant the same. God is telling Pharaoh in advance what he is about to do. The seven healthy cows and the seven healthy heads of grain both represent seven years of prosperity. The seven thin, scrawny cows that came up later and the seven thin heads of grain, withered by the east wind, represent seven years of famine. The next seven years will be a period of great prosperity throughout Egypt. Following will come seven years of famine so terrible that all prosperity will be forgotten. Famine will destroy the land. As for having two similar dreams, it means that these events have been decreed by God, and will soon happen. Pharaoh needs to find an intelligent and wise man and put him in charge of the land of Egypt. Pharaoh should appoint supervisors over the land and let them collect one-fifth of all the crops during the seven good years. This produce should be brought to Pharaoh’s storehouses. Stored and guarded there will be food in the cities. This way there will be enough to eat when the seven years of famine come to the land of Egypt --- or famine will destroy the land. Pharaoh asks his ministers who else is there so obviously filled with the spirit of God? Pharaoh says since God has revealed the meaning of the dreams to Joseph, who else is as intelligent or wise? Joseph is placed in charge of the court and the people will take orders from Joseph. Joseph will be second only to Pharaoh. Pharaoh places his signet ring on Joseph’s finger. Pharaoh has Joseph suited and places a gold chain around his neck. Joseph rides a chariot reserved for Pharoah's second-in-command. And wherever Joseph went, the command was shouted to genuflect. So Pharaoh put Joseph in charge of all Egypt. Pharaoh gave Joseph an Egyptian name, Zaphenath-paneah and a wife, whose name was Asenath (the daughter of Potiphera, the priest of On) So Joseph was thirty years old when he began serving in the court of Pharaoh, the king of Egypt. When Joseph was not in Pharaoh’s presence, he was inspecting the entire land of Egypt. 7 years the land produced bumper crops. Joseph piled up huge amounts of grain ---so he stopped keeping records because there was such an over abundance. Before the famine, two sons were born to Joseph. His older son Manasseh, brcause God has cause Joseph to forget all his troubles and his brothers. Joseph named his second son Ephraim, for God had made him fruitful in this land of his sorrow. Finally, seven years of bumper crops came to an end. This famine also struck all the surrounding countries, but throughout Egypt there was plenty of food. Eventually, the people cried out to Pharaoh for food. He tells them, to go to Joseph, and do what he says. Joseph opened up the storehouses and distributed grain to the Egyptians, for the famine was severe throughout the land of Egypt. And people flocked from all around Egypt to buy grain from Joseph because the famine was terrible everywhere.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And it cometh to pass, at the end of two years of days that Pharaoh is dreaming, and lo, he is standing by the River,

2 and lo, from the River coming up are seven kine, of fair appearance, and fat [in] flesh, and they feed among the reeds;

3 and lo, seven other kine are coming up after them out of the River, of bad appearance, and lean [in] flesh, and they stand near the kine on the edge of the River,

4 and the kine of bad appearance and lean [in] flesh eat up the seven kine of fair appearance, and fat -- and Pharaoh awaketh.

5 And he sleepeth, and dreameth a second time, and lo, seven ears are coming up on one stalk, fat and good,

6 and lo, seven ears, thin, and blasted with an east wind, are springing up after them;

7 and the thin ears swallow the seven fat and full ears -- and Pharaoh awaketh, and lo, a dream.

8 And it cometh to pass in the morning, that his spirit is moved, and he sendeth and calleth all the scribes of Egypt, and all its wise men, and Pharaoh recounteth to them his dream, and there is no interpreter of them to Pharaoh.

9 And the chief of the butlers speaketh with Pharaoh, saying, `My sin I mention this day:

10 Pharaoh hath been wroth against his servants, and giveth me into charge in the house of the chief of the executioners, me and the chief of the bakers;

11 and we dream a dream in one night, I and he, each according to the interpretation of his dream we have dreamed.

12 And there [is] with us a youth, a Hebrew, servant to the chief of the executioners, and we recount to him, and he interpreteth to us our dreams, [to] each according to his dream hath he interpreted,

13 and it cometh to pass, as he hath interpreted to us so it hath been, me he put back on my station, and him he hanged.'

14 And Pharaoh sendeth and calleth Joseph, and they cause him to run out of the pit, and he shaveth, and changeth his garments, and cometh in unto Pharaoh.

15 And Pharaoh saith unto Joseph, `A dream I have dreamed, and there is no interpreter of it, and I -- I have heard concerning thee, saying, Thou understandest a dream to interpret it,'

16 and Joseph answereth Pharaoh, saying, `Without me -- God doth answer Pharaoh with peace.'

17 And Pharaoh speaketh unto Joseph: `In my dream, lo, I am standing by the edge of the River,

18 and lo, out of the River coming up are seven kine, fat [in] flesh, and of fair form, and they feed among the reeds;

19 and lo, seven other kine are coming up after them, thin, and of very bad form, and lean [in] flesh; I have not seen like these in all the land of Egypt for badness.

20 `And the lean and the bad kine eat up the first seven fat kine,

21 and they come in unto their midst, and it hath not been known that they have come in unto their midst, and their appearance [is] bad as at the commencement; and I awake.

22 `And I see in my dream, and lo, seven ears are coming up on one stalk, full and good;

23 and lo, seven ears, withered, thin, blasted with an east wind, are springing up after them;

24 and the thin ears swallow the seven good ears; and I tell unto the scribes, and there is none declaring to me.'

25 And Joseph saith unto Pharaoh, `The dream of Pharaoh is one: that which God is doing he hath declared to Pharaoh;

26 the seven good kine are seven years, and the seven good ears are seven years, the dream is one;

27 and the seven thin and bad kine which are coming up after them are seven years, and the seven empty ears, blasted with an east wind, are seven years of famine;

28 this [is] the thing which I have spoken unto Pharaoh: That which God is doing, he hath shewn Pharaoh.

29 `Lo, seven years are coming of great abundance in all the land of Egypt,

30 and seven years of famine have arisen after them, and all the plenty is forgotten in the land of Egypt, and the famine hath finished the land,

31 and the plenty is not known in the land because of that famine afterwards, for it [is] very grievous.

32 `And because of the repeating of the dream unto Pharaoh twice, surely the thing is established by God, and God is hastening to do it.

33 `And now, let Pharaoh provide a man, intelligent and wise, and set him over the land of Egypt;

34 let Pharaoh make and appoint overseers over the land, and receive a fifth of the land of Egypt in the seven years of plenty,

35 and they gather all the food of these good years that are coming, and heap up corn under the hand of Pharaoh -- food in the cities; and they have kept [it],

36 and the food hath been for a store for the land, for the seven years of famine which are in the land of Egypt; and the land is cut off by the famine.'

37 And the thing is good in the eyes of Pharaoh, and in the eyes of all his servants,

38 and Pharaoh saith unto his servants, `Do we find like this, a man in whom the spirit of God [is]?'

39 and Pharaoh saith unto Joseph, `After God's causing thee to know all this, there is none intelligent and wise as thou;

40 thou -- thou art over my house, and at thy mouth do all my people kiss; only in the throne I am greater than thou.'

41 And Pharaoh saith unto Joseph, `See, I have put thee over all the land of Egypt.'

42 And Pharaoh turneth aside his seal-ring from off his hand, and putteth it on the hand of Joseph, and clotheth him [with] garments of fine linen, and placeth a chain of gold on his neck,

43 and causeth him to ride in the second chariot which he hath, and they proclaim before him, `Bow the knee!' and -- to put him over all the land of Egypt.

44 And Pharaoh saith unto Joseph, `I [am] Pharaoh, and without thee a man doth not lift up his hand and his foot in all the land of Egypt;'

45 and Pharaoh calleth Joseph's name Zaphnath-Paaneah, and he giveth to him Asenath daughter of Poti-Pherah, priest of On, for a wife, and Joseph goeth out over the land of Egypt.

46 And Joseph [is] a son of thirty years in his standing before Pharaoh king of Egypt, and Joseph goeth out from the presence of Pharaoh, and passeth over through all the land of Egypt;

47 and the land maketh in the seven years of plenty by handfuls.

48 And he gathereth all the food of the seven years which have been in the land of Egypt, and putteth food in the cities; the food of the field which [is] round about [each] city hath he put in its midst;

49 and Joseph gathereth corn as sand of the sea, multiplying exceedingly, until that he hath ceased to number, for there is no number.

50 And to Joseph were born two sons before the year of famine cometh, whom Asenath daughter of Poti-Pherah, priest of On, hath borne to him,

51 and Joseph calleth the name of the first-born Manasseh: `for, God hath made me to forget all my labour, and all the house of my father;'

52 and the name of the second he hath called Ephraim: `for, God hath caused me to be fruitful in the land of mine affliction.'

53 And the seven years of plenty are completed which have been in the land of Egypt,

54 and the seven years of famine begin to come, as Joseph said, and famine is in all the lands, but in all the land of Egypt hath been bread;

55 and all the land of Egypt is famished, and the people crieth unto Pharaoh for bread, and Pharaoh saith to all the Egyptians, `Go unto Joseph; that which he saith to you -- do.'

56 And the famine has been over all the face of the land, and Joseph openeth all [places] which have [corn] in them, and selleth to the Egyptians; and the famine is severe in the land of Egypt,

57 and all the earth hath come to Egypt, to buy, unto Joseph, for the famine was severe in all the earth.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:19 pm 
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Genesis 42:1-38 Jacob hears that grain was available in Egypt. He tells his sons that they have to get off their butts and try to buy some grain in Egypt or they will all die. All of Joseph’s ten older brothers go to Egypt. Benjamin the youngest stayed home with Jacob, who feared for his safety. The sons arrived in Egypt along with others to buy food, because of the famine. Joseph was in charge of selling grain to all the people. Joseph recognized his brothers instantly, when they bowed before him. He pretended to be a stranger speaking harshly to them -- demanding where they are from? They replied that they are fom Canaan and have come to buy food. They didn’t recognize him. Joseph remembered the dreams he’d had about them many years before and said that they were spies! The brothers deny this and say that they are all related and have only come to buy food. Joseph insists that they are spies... The brothers relate that there are actually twelve brothers and sons of a man living in the land of Canaan. The youngest brother is back there with the father. Joseph says he will test the story. Joseph swears that they will never leave Egypt unless the youngest brother comes here. Joseph says one must go and get that brother. The rest will wait in prison. If it turns out that there isn't a younger brother, then they must be spies. Joseph lets them stew in prison for three days. On the third day Joseph comes to them saying that he is a resonable man. To prove they are honest men, they are to choose one brother to remain in prison. The rest may go home with grain for their starving families. However, they must bring the youngest brother back to Joseph. This will prove that they are telling the truth, and they will not die.To this they agree. Speaking among themselves, the brother admit that they are being punished because of what they did to Joseph long ago. They saw his anguish, but wouldn’t listen. Now it is their turn. Reuben says that he tried to tell them but they wouldn’t listen. And now they must pay for the blood of Joseph. They are speaking in Hebrew and have no clue that Joseph understands everything they say ---- since Joseph had used an interpreter as part of his ploy. Joseph turned away from them and begins to weep. When he regains his composure, he speaks to them again, and choose Simeon, and has him tied up right before their eyes. Joseph orders his servants to fill the men’s sacks with grain, but also gives secret instructions to return each brother’s payment at the top of his sack. The brothers are also given supplies for their journey home. Stopping for the night, one opens his sack to get grain for his donkey, he finds his money in the top of his sack. The brothers are totally freaked out and wonder what is God planning? The brothers come home to their father and tell him everything that happened to them. As they empty out their sacks, each man’s sack contains the bag of money he paid for the grain. The brothers and their father are terrified. Jacob exclaims that they are stealing his children. Joseph is gone! Simeon is gone! And now they want to take Benjamin! Reuben swears to his father, that he may kill his two sons if Benjamin is not returned. Jacob refuses. Joseph is dead, and Benjamin is the last one of his beloved Rachel. If anything should happen to Benjamin on such a journey, the grief would kill him. (One may ask, exactly what is Joseph doing? Is he getting even? Perhaps... It may also be that he is seeing if his brothers are indeed repentant and are changed honest men and not evil. Perhaps Joseph also wishes to see if his little brother is being treated better than he was by his brothers. It is interesting to see that the brothers quickly equate that there is a relationship between their sin of long ago and what is then happening to them. This is something I see as foreign today. People don't seem to see that actions have consequences --- even years later...)

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And Jacob seeth that there is corn in Egypt, and Jacob saith to his sons, `Why do you look at each other?'

2 he saith also, `Lo, I have heard that there is corn in Egypt, go down thither, and buy for us from thence, and we live and do not die;'

3 and the ten brethren of Joseph go down to buy corn in Egypt,

4 and Benjamin, Joseph's brother, Jacob hath not sent with his brethren, for he said, `Lest mischief meet him.'

5 And the sons of Israel come to buy in the midst of those coming, for the famine hath been in the land of Canaan,

6 and Joseph is the ruler over the land, he who is selling to all the people of the land, and Joseph's brethren come and bow themselves to him -- face to the earth.

7 And Joseph seeth his brethren, and discerneth them, and maketh himself strange unto them, and speaketh with them sharp things, and saith unto them, `From whence have ye come?' and they say, `From the land of Canaan -- to buy food.'

8 And Joseph discerneth his brethren, but they have not discerned him,

9 and Joseph remembereth the dreams which he dreamed of them, and saith unto them, `Ye [are] spies; to see the nakedness of the land ye have come.'

10 And they say unto him, `No, my lord, but thy servants have come to buy food;

11 we [are] all of us sons of one man, we [are] right men; thy servants have not been spies;'

12 and he saith unto them, `No, but the nakedness of the land ye have come to see;'

13 and they say, `Thy servants [are] twelve brethren; we [are] sons of one man in the land of Canaan, and lo, the young one [is] with our father to-day, and the one is not.'

14 And Joseph saith unto them, `This [is] that which I have spoken unto you, saying, Ye [are] spies,

15 by this ye are proved: Pharaoh liveth! if ye go out from this -- except by your young brother coming hither;

16 send one of you, and let him bring your brother, and ye, remain ye bound, and let your words be proved, whether truth be with you: and if not -- Pharaoh liveth! surely ye [are] spies;'

17 and he removeth them unto charge three days.

18 And Joseph saith unto them on the third day, `This do and live; God I fear!

19 if ye [are] right men, let one of your brethren be bound in the house of your ward, and ye, go, carry in corn [for] the famine of your houses,

20 and your young brother ye bring unto me, and your words are established, and ye die not;' and they do so.

21 And they say one unto another, `Verily we [are] guilty concerning our brother, because we saw the distress of his soul, in his making supplication unto us, and we did not hearken: therefore hath this distress come upon us.'

22 And Reuben answereth them, saying, `Spake I not unto you, saying, Sin not against the lad? and ye hearkened not; and his blood also, lo, it is required.'

23 And they have not known that Joseph understandeth, for the interpreter [is] between them;

24 and he turneth round from them, and weepeth, and turneth back unto them, and speaketh unto them, and taketh from them Simeon, and bindeth him before their eyes.

25 And Joseph commandeth, and they fill their vessels [with] corn, also to put back the money of each unto his sack, and to give to them provision for the way; and one doth to them so.

26 And they lift up their corn upon their asses, and go from thence,

27 and the one openeth his sack to give provender to his ass at a lodging-place, and he seeth his money, and lo, it [is] in the mouth of his bag,

28 and he saith unto his brethren, `My money hath been put back, and also, lo, in my bag:' and their heart goeth out, and they tremble, one to another saying, `What [is] this God hath done to us!'

29 And they come in unto Jacob their father, to the land of Canaan, and they declare to him all the things meeting them, saying,

30 `The man, the lord of the land, hath spoken with us sharp things, and maketh us as spies of the land;

31 and we say unto him, We [are] right men, we have not been spies,

32 we [are] twelve brethren, sons of our father, the one is not, and the young one [is] to-day with our father in the land of Canaan.

33 `And the man, the lord of the land, saith unto us, By this I know that ye [are] right men -- one of your brethren leave with me, and [for] the famine of your houses take ye and go,

34 and bring your young brother unto me, and I know that ye [are] not spies, but ye [are] right men; your brother I give to you, and ye trade with the land.'

35 And it cometh to pass, they are emptying their sacks, and lo, the bundle of each man's silver [is] in his sack, and they see their bundles of silver, they and their father, and are afraid;

36 and Jacob their father saith unto them, `Me ye have bereaved; Joseph is not, and Simeon is not, and Benjamin ye take -- against me have been all these.'

37 And Reuben speaketh unto his father, saying, `My two sons thou dost put to death, if I bring him not in unto thee; give him into my hand, and I -- I bring him back unto thee;'

38 and he saith, `My son doth not go down with you, for his brother [is] dead, and he by himself is left; when mischief hath met him in the way in which ye go, then ye have brought down my grey hairs in sorrow to sheol.'


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:43 pm 
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LittleNipper wrote:
Living according to God's Word will produce an individual of good character --- tangible results that make sense...


Which Gods will?
Your interpretation? Mine? The JW's? Warren Jeffs?

Hitler thought he had God on his side, Warren Jeffs thinks he does too.
Are these people of good character?

Joseph Smith claimed to follow Gods will to the letter, was he of good character?

The people that flew planes into the trade centre believed that was Gods will....good character...or perhaps not?

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:19 pm 
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Drifting wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:
Living according to God's Word will produce an individual of good character --- tangible results that make sense...


Which Gods will?
Your interpretation? Mine? The JW's? Warren Jeffs?

Hitler thought he had God on his side, Warren Jeffs thinks he does too.
Are these people of good character?

Joseph Smith claimed to follow Gods will to the letter, was he of good character?

The people that flew planes into the trade centre believed that was Gods will....good character...or perhaps not?

How did Hitler die and why? How did Jim Jones die and why? The men that flew into the World Trade Center did exactly what? I can only tell you that the Bible is thousands of years old. This book has moved more people to do more outstanding things and yet this book must be accepted in full and not in part. People who accept only parts believe that details are missing, values are missing, secret hidden messages abound which only they know and understand... Such people assume the roles of self appointed prophets, gods, father --- people who do not study the Word are at the mercy of those who say they know what the Bible actually says. Read the Bible, again and again and again. Understand the BIble in light of ALL its parts. Do not trust others to lead or direct you! Trust only the Word and lean on God for understanding. There is but one GOD and HE does not change.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:25 pm 
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Genesis 43:1-34 The famine continued to ravage Canaan. The grain they had brought from Egypt was almost gone. Jacob tells his sons, to go back and buy a little more food. Judah says that the man was serious when he warned to bring Benjamin back. If the brothers can take Benjamin with them, they will go down and buy more food. If not, they won’t go either. Jacob moans that they should not have said anything about having a younger brother. The man kept asking questions about the family they replied. He wanted to know if the father was still alive, and if there was another brother. They simply answered his questions. They had no idea the Egyptian would say to bring back the brother. Judah tells his father to let him take Bejamin or they we will all die of starvation—including the little ones. Judah will personally guarantee his safety and be responsible. He will forever bear any blame. The general consensus is that they could have made the trip to Egypt twice for all the time wasted. Jacob, finally consents but insistes they take the man gifts of balm, honey, gum, aromatic resin, pistachio nuts, and almonds. Also, they are to take back the money that was put in the sacks, as it was probably done in error. Jacob calls on Almighty God to provide mercy as the brothers go before the man, so that he will release Simeon and let Benjamin return, the Lord willing. The brothers leave and finally arrived in Egypt and present themselves to Joseph. When Joseph sees Benjamin with them, he tells to the manager of his household, that these men will eat with him at noon. Bring them inside the palace. Slaughter an animal, and prepare a big feast. The brothers are sick when they realize that they were being taken into Joseph’s house. They believe that it has to be because of the money they were sent home with --- they think that they have been set up with stealing and will be made slaves, and their transportation s will be sezed. The brothers approach the manager of Joseph’s household and speak to him at the entrance to the palace. They say they came to Egypt once before to buy food. But on the trip home their payment had been returned to them. They even brought it back. The house manager tells them that their God must have returned it to them. Simeon is brought out to them. The manager then leads the men into Joseph’s palace. Water is provided for the brothers to wash their feet. Their donkeys are fed. They are told they will be eating there, so they prepare their gifts for Joseph’s arrival at noon. When Joseph comes home, they gave him the gifts they have brought and bowed low before him. Joseph asks how their father is..? Joseph sees his full brother Benjamin and asks if this is the younger brother. Joseph, overcome with emotion for his brother, goes to his private room and weeps. Upon cleaning himself up and regaining his composure he comes back out. Then he orders the call for food. The waiters served Joseph at his own table, and his brothers were served at a separate table. Egyptians who ate with Joseph sat at their own table, because Egyptians despise Hebrews and refuse to eat with them. Joseph told each of his brothers where to sit, and to their amazement, he seats them according to age, from oldest to youngest. Joseph then fills their plates with food from his own table, giving Benjamin five times as much as he give the others. So they dine and drink freely with him.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And the famine [is] severe in the land;

2 and it cometh to pass, when they have finished eating the corn which they brought from Egypt, that their father saith unto them, `Turn back, buy for us a little food.'

3 And Judah speaketh unto him, saying, `The man protesting protested to us, saying, Ye do not see my face without your brother [being] with you;

4 if thou art sending our brother with us, we go down, and buy for thee food,

5 and if thou art not sending -- we do not go down, for the man said unto us, Ye do not see my face without your brother [being] with you.'

6 And Israel saith, `Why did ye evil to me, by declaring to the man that ye had yet a brother?'

7 and they say, `The man asked diligently concerning us, and concerning our kindred, saying, Is your father yet alive? have ye a brother? and we declare to him according to the tenor of these things; do we certainly know that he will say, Bring down your brother?'

8 And Judah saith unto Israel his father, `Send the youth with me, and we arise, and go, and live, and do not die, both we, and thou, and our infants.

9 I -- I am surety [for] him, from my hand thou dost require him; if I have not brought him in unto thee, and set him before thee -- then I have sinned against thee all the days;

10 for if we had not lingered, surely now we had returned these two times.'

11 And Israel their father saith unto them, `If so, now, this do: take of the praised thing of the land in your vessels, and take down to the man a present, a little balm, and a little honey, spices and myrrh, nuts and almonds;

12 and double money take in your hand, even the money which is brought back in the mouth of your bags, ye take back in your hand, it may be it [is] an oversight.

13 `And take your brother, and rise, turn back unto the man;

14 and God Almighty give to you mercies before the man, so that he hath sent to you your other brother and Benjamin; and I, when I am bereaved -- I am bereaved.'

15 And the men take this present, double money also they have taken in their hand, and Benjamin; and they rise, and go down to Egypt, and stand before Joseph;

16 and Joseph seeth Benjamin with them, and saith to him who [is] over his house, `Bring the men into the house, and slaughter an animal, and make ready, for with me do the men eat at noon.'

17 And the man doth as Joseph hath said, and the man bringeth in the men into the house of Joseph,

18 and the men are afraid because they have been brought into the house of Joseph, and they say, `For the matter of the money which was put back in our bags at the commencement are we brought in -- to roll himself upon us, and to throw himself on us, and to take us for servants -- our asses also.'

19 And they come nigh unto the man who [is] over the house of Joseph, and speak unto him at the opening of the house,

20 and say, `O, my lord, we really come down at the commencement to buy food;

21 and it cometh to pass, when we have come in unto the lodging-place, and open our bags, that lo, each one's money [is] in the mouth of his bag, our money in its weight, and we bring it back in our hand;

22 and other money have we brought down in our hand to buy food; we have not known who put our money in our bags.'

23 And he saith, `Peace to you, fear not: your God and the God of your father hath given to you hidden treasure in your bags, your money came unto me;' and he bringeth out Simeon unto them.

24 And the man bringeth in the men into Joseph's house, and giveth water, and they wash their feet; and he giveth provender for their asses,

25 and they prepare the present until the coming of Joseph at noon, for they have heard that there they do eat bread.

26 And Joseph cometh into the house, and they bring to him the present which [is] in their hand, into the house, and bow themselves to him, to the earth;

27 and he asketh of them of peace, and saith, `Is your father well? the aged man of whom ye have spoken, is he yet alive?'

28 and they say, `Thy servant our father [is] well, he is yet alive;' and they bow, and do obeisance.

29 And he lifteth up his eyes, and seeth Benjamin his brother, his mother's son, and saith, `Is this your young brother, of whom ye have spoken unto me?' and he saith, `God favour thee, my son.'

30 And Joseph hasteth, for his bowels have been moved for his brother, and he seeketh to weep, and entereth the inner chamber, and weepeth there;

31 and he washeth his face, and goeth out, and refraineth himself, and saith, `Place bread.'

32 And they place for him by himself, and for them by themselves, and for the Egyptians who are eating with him by themselves: for the Egyptians are unable to eat bread with the Hebrews, for it [is] an abomination to the Egyptians.

33 And they sit before him, the first-born according to his birthright, and the young one according to his youth, and the men wonder one at another;

34 and he lifteth up gifts from before him unto them, and the gift of Benjamin is five hands more than the gifts of all of them; and they drink, yea, they drink abundantly with him.


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