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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:03 pm 
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I'll stop messing with you. :biggrin:

The wine in the cup is changed to blood, but still looks, tastes and smells like wine. It is a matter of faith.
Oh, I know. I've attended several masses. Really like them especially on Christmas and Easter - big Cathedral, lots of music and kneeling, and wine and cookies after. What's not to like?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:15 pm 
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I'll stop messing with you. :biggrin:

The wine in the cup is changed to blood, but still looks, tastes and smells like wine. It is a matter of faith.
Oh, I know. I've attended several masses. Really like them especially on Christmas and Easter - big Cathedral, lots of music and kneeling, and wine and cookies after. What's not to like?


So you're a C&E Catholic. :evil:

Some parishes have more music than others, but we're all doing the "Catholic calisthenics".

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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:46 pm 
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One problem with the Catholic church is that they don't know the difference between a literal and a figurative statement, which led to their ridiculous man made conclusion that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit were all of the "same substance"! They forgot to read the part where Christ stated that he would pray for His apostles that they all may be one, just as He and His father were one, so according to Catholic thinking, that should be fifteen in one! The same problem happened again when they started thinking (and that is always a problem for them!) about the sacrament! Apparently, Christ must have been tremendously huge and must have had a lot of blood to last all of these years!!

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine....."

Thank heaven for the "restitution of all things"!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:18 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
One problem with the Catholic church is that they don't know the difference between a literal and a figurative statement, which led to their ridiculous man made conclusion that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit were all of the "same substance"! They forgot to read the part where Christ stated that he would pray for His apostles that they all may be one, just as He and His father were one, so according to Catholic thinking, that should be fifteen in one! The same problem happened again when they started thinking (and that is always a problem for them!) about the sacrament! Apparently, Christ must have been tremendously huge and must have had a lot of blood to last all of these years!!

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine....."

Thank heaven for the "restitution of all things"!!!


No, the 15 apostles would be one in the CHURCH. God the Father, Christ, and Holy Spirit are three separate beings but one in the Godhead. Another way to say it is that GOD is made up of three united persons in one essence called GOD. An egg has a shell, the white, and a yoke. Together they are "egg" and separately they are "egg."


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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:28 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
One problem with the Catholic church is that they don't know the difference between a literal and a figurative statement, which led to their ridiculous man made conclusion that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit were all of the "same substance"! They forgot to read the part where Christ stated that he would pray for His apostles that they all may be one, just as He and His father were one, so according to Catholic thinking, that should be fifteen in one! The same problem happened again when they started thinking (and that is always a problem for them!) about the sacrament! Apparently, Christ must have been tremendously huge and must have had a lot of blood to last all of these years!!

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine....."

Thank heaven for the "restitution of all things"!!!


gdemetz, that's a rather random mishmash of subjects you have going there. Briefly, since we've strayed wayyyy of topic.

- Catholic teaching distinguishes, quite clearly, the difference between Creator and created. We are made one with God, in and through Jesus Christ, but we do not become God.

- Regarding the Sacrifice at Mass, it is a re-presentation, meaning, the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ happened once, and is made Present. Which gets into the understanding of God as omnipresent, and also as the Creator of ALL things, including time. There are many good Catholic resources on this belief online, easily found.

- Jesus Christ is the restitution of all things.

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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:25 pm 
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I know the Catholic teaching, but it is absolutely wrong! "Ye are gods and all of you are the children of the Most High." Do you know anything that can not become like its progenitors?! "That by these ye might be partakers OF THE DIVINE NATURE." "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me on my throne just as I overcame and am sat down with my Father on His throne." It can't be written or explained much simpler than that! We all will become resurrected immortal beings, and can even have authority as a god! "It is my Father's good pleasure TO GIVE YOU THE KINGDOM!!!!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:48 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
I know the Catholic teaching, but it is absolutely wrong! "Ye are gods and all of you are the children of the Most High." Do you know anything that can not become like its progenitors?! "That by these ye might be partakers OF THE DIVINE NATURE." "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me on my throne just as I overcame and am sat down with my Father on His throne." It can't be written or explained much simpler than that! We all will become resurrected immortal beings, and can even have authority as a god! "It is my Father's good pleasure TO GIVE YOU THE KINGDOM!!!!!!!


So, if the rest of Christianity is completely wrong about the pre mortal and post mortal kingdoms, how come the Mormon Church claims to be Christian?

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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:01 pm 
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That's right Drifting. That's why there was a necessity for a restoration of all things. Also, check out the articles of Faith about your Christianity question.


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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:08 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
That's right Drifting. That's why there was a necessity for a restoration of all things. Also, check out the articles of Faith about your Christianity question.


But the beliefs of Christianity are completely different to the beliefs of Mormonism. For instance, Catholics do not believe they will get their own planet to rule over with multiple wives. Nor do they believe you need to learn secret handshakes and code names to get back to heaven. Nor do they believe in baptism on behalf of dead people who have given no indication that they wanted to be baptised. Nor do they believe that the America's was populated by a small band of Hebrews who sailed over from Jerusalem. Nor do they believe that God lives on Kolob. Nor do they believe that black people couldn't have the Priesthood before 1978. Nor do they believe that polygamy is a God given doctrine.

So I guess what you are saying is that Christianity isn't Christian but Mormonism is.

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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:32 pm 
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Yea, now you are starting to get it! Hello! That is why there was a need for 'the restitution of all things"!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:05 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
Yea, now you are starting to get it! Hello! That is why there was a need for 'the restitution of all things"!!!


And they claim Mormonism doesn't brainwash you.


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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:07 am 
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And they claim Mormonism doesn't brainwash you.
Hey, at least his mind is clean. Well, he seems to insult a lot of people so maybe they missed a spot.


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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:09 am 
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Actually, I am a convert to the church because I realized that the other churches were teaching such stupid non Biblical teachings!


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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:12 am 
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Actually, I am a convert to the church because I realized that the other churches were teaching such stupid non Biblical teachings!
Everyone is a convert to the Church. You either have a personal witness of Jesus Christ or you don't. Those that don't end up as ex-mormons like Themis or worse.


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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:14 am 
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Yea, that's true. What a scary thought!


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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:17 am 
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Yea, that's true. What a scary thought!
It isn't pleasant. I feel sorry for him. I was like he was for many years. I was an ex-mormon and an atheist until I received that witness. It's too bad, but I hope one day that he'll have that witness, humble himself and come back to God.


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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:22 am 
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Me too! I will pray for them tonight, and I hope God will hear my prayer despite my bitchiness! LOL!


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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:52 am 
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I know the Catholic teaching, but it is absolutely wrong! "Ye are gods and all of you are the children of the Most High." Do you know anything that can not become like its progenitors?! "That by these ye might be partakers OF THE DIVINE NATURE." "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me on my throne just as I overcame and am sat down with my Father on His throne." It can't be written or explained much simpler than that! We all will become resurrected immortal beings, and can even have authority as a god! "It is my Father's good pleasure TO GIVE YOU THE KINGDOM!!!!!!!


Of course I don't agree with you. You aren't a punky little god in the making and whoever has told you so, has fed you a lie. But it isn't a new lie, it is the oldest lie written (see Genesis).

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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
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So I guess what you are saying is that Christianity isn't Christian but Mormonism is.


And here I get a peek into how pissed the Jews must have been for those upstart Christians to start saying they were the real Jews. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:45 am 
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Drifting wrote:
So I guess what you are saying is that Christianity isn't Christian but Mormonism is.


And here I get a peek into how pissed the Jews must have been for those upstart Christians to start saying they were the real Jews. :lol:

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That must make Joseph Smith the savior of Christianity?


lol.

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 Post subject: Re: Did we have a pre-premortal existence?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:50 am 
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consiglieri wrote:
And here I get a peek into how pissed the Jews must have been for those upstart Christians to start saying they were the real Jews. :lol:

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That must make Joseph Smith the savior of Christianity?


lol.

Well, until the aliens come take over the Earth. Then expect 2000 new commandments. You'll miss Mormonism then. Mark my words.


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