I am not fond of Thews, and I am not going to engage him in a battle. There are a couple of points that he made where he twisted my words around which I will address. I would mainly like to address what Nightlion stated about how he felt I "sold Joseph Smith out" by labeling him a false prophet.
I didn't "twist" anything. You are a poser who chooses to sell your snake oil under the pretense that Mormonism is in fact Christian, when there isn't anything Christian about Mormon doctrine. Just because you make yourself feel better by selling your BS to the itching ears, don't be so surprised when someone calls BS.
As far as I am concerned, his actions sold us, the members of the Church out. One thing that Thews pointed out which I will clarify is that he quoted me as saying that Joseph was tempted by Fanny, and succumbed to that temptaion. In this, I misspoke somewhat. I did not mean to indicate, as Thews suggested, that Fanny was in any way, at fault for Joseph's demise. Joseph succumbed to his lust for Fanny, and that is why he fell. Now, maybe he was legitimately in love with Fanny. If that was the case, then he should have divorced Emma and started a life with Fanny. I don't believe that really was the case, however. Based on both Joseph and Emma's writings, I think that it is clear, that in spite of all of their problems, they truly did love each other.
Wow... so Joseph Smith wasn't tempted by Fanny? How about Joseph Smith was a horny 38 year old man who preyed on young girls. Was he "tempted" so that makes it ok? The next time you see the news post some picture of a high school teacher who had an affair with a student, well, feel sorry for him because he was "tempted" by the student. Your boundaries that throw the women under the bus to defend the acts of a pedophile named Joseph Smith are in fact sickening.
I think that Joseph sought for a way to "have it all". He may have honestly thought that he received a revevlation from the Lord; I don't know. But it is clear to me that polygamy was not something that the Lord meant to have re-established. Polygamy was an Old Testament cultural norm...period. It has no place in the modern church. Since Joseph and Brigham massively screwed up (pun intended), and established it, there were, unfortunately, saints who in good faith practiced it, thinking that they were doing right by the Lord. Those saints will not be punished in any way, and I believe that the Lord will allow them to stay together as families in the next life, if they so choose. However, I do not believe that polygamy is the Lord's ideal form of marriage.
If your BS filter is on, then these lies should have it pegged. Liz will give the creepy Joseph Smith all the outs to justify his actions, while professing belief that he's a prophet of God, wait..., except for the part about D&C 132, because, well, that's false... but I still believe... don't you Liz? How about Brigham's racism? Are you good with that because you're white and delightsome?
4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting acovenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye bdamned; for no one can creject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.
As far as my conclusions which I have found peace with, that Thews seems to think I have avoided expressing, they are as follows:
I believe that the Book of Mormon was an inspired work, and is a further testament to the living Christ. Whether this book is a literal history, or simply inspired writing, I really don't know, nor do I think it really matters in the grand scheme of things. There are portions of the Bible which I wonder about, as far as a literalness of translation is concerned as well. There are so many things which have been left open to interpretation, I think that it is best for us all to simply try to live life the best way we can. Love our families and our friends. Say our prayers. Worship Christ and hope for the best.
Well alrighty then. Let it be known from this day forward that Liz believes Joseph Smith to be a prophet of God and the doctrine of Joseph Smith to be true. The "conclusions" she so conveniently avoids would be known as the truth, but to someone who has chosen to compromise true belief to present a false witness it's hardly shocking. I hope you land on Kolob only to usher your husband's new wives into the fmaily Liz... maybe he'll reserve Tuesday nights for you?
If that makes me a hypocrite, oh well. At least I will die a peaceful hypocrite, if that is, indeed, what I am, and my family and friends will know that I truly loved them and wanted the best for them.
You are a hypocrite, a liar, and a false witness. You are Simon Belmont, bcspace and ldsfaqs all rolled up into one. You spew lies about Christianity to benefit your own needs while selling the word of the real Jesus Christ to convince people you actually believe them, when you know the snake oil you're selling is a lie. I hope you meet the souls you convinced through your words to follow the false prophet in Joseph Smith. I hope they tell you how your words convinced them to believe the words of Joseph Smith were true, even though you knew they came from occult magical rocks and incorrectly translated words from the pagan book of the dead. You can spew your "inspired" lies to them face-to-face, but know this Liz... you know this now. What were your conclusions Liz... cat got your tongue? Smile empty soul...http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xKGLk3JlL.jpg