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 Post subject: Why Do LDS Dismiss the Greater Part of the New Testament?
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:07 pm 
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The LDS claim to be christian, however they don't teach or discuss anything other than The Gospels, Acts and Revelations to their members. It seems to me they cannot keep the New Testament in context and have it correlate with Joseph Smith's teachings. In order to justify those doctrinal errors they say that part of the Bible was translated improperly. If and when anything is taught out of the books I've not previously mentioned the stories are butchered or taught out of context.

I was never taught anything in LDS classes having to do with the Disciples preaching the gospel after Christ's Crucifixion or the Disciples own hardships or deaths.


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 Post subject: Re: Why do LDS dismiss the greater part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:09 pm 
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The other parts were not translated correctly?

Wait, what........... wasn't this multiple choice?

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 Post subject: Re: Why do LDS dismiss the greater part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:15 pm 
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When I was still a TBM, I taught gospel doctine amoung other things. When we covered the NT we went over all the whole thing. I always thought it was the OT that we just sort of skimmed over

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 Post subject: Re: Why do LDS dismiss the greater part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:17 pm 
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I always liked the OT parts. We'd have weekly stonings just to bring back some of the flavor of that period. Good times.


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 Post subject: Re: Why do LDS dismiss the greater part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 10:38 pm 
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The LDS claim to be christian, however they don't teach or discuss anything other than The Gospels, Acts and Revelations to their members. It seems to me they cannot keep the New Testament in context and have it correlate with Joseph Smith's teachings. In order to justify those doctrinal errors they say that part of the Bible was translated improperly. If and when anything is taught out of the books I've not previously mentioned the stories are butchered or taught out of context.


This is not true. LDS doctrine is more along the lines of 1 Nephi 13 which defines Biblical corruption as more removal than anything else. Hence, an LDS person can accept any Bible verse you care to quote as scripture. In addition, we teach all generally accepted (nonCatholic) NT books and there is nothing in the NT that is in conflict with LDS doctrine.

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I was never taught anything in LDS classes having to do with the Disciples preaching the gospel after Christ's Crucifixion or the Disciples own hardships or deaths.


I would hazard that you never attended many classes in the first place.

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 Post subject: Re: Why do LDS dismiss the greater part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:14 am 
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In addition, we teach all generally accepted (nonCatholic) NT books and there is nothing in the NT that is in conflict with LDS doctrine.


18 Then the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 19 “Teacher,” they said, “Moses wrote for us that if a man’s brother dies and leaves a wife but no children, the man must marry the widow and raise up offspring for his brother. 20 Now there were seven brothers. The first one married and died without leaving any children. 21 The second one married the widow, but he also died, leaving no child. It was the same with the third. 22 In fact, none of the seven left any children. Last of all, the woman died too. 23 At the resurrection[c] whose wife will she be, since the seven were married to her?”

24 Jesus replied, “Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? 25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 26 Now about the dead rising—have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’[d]? 27 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!”

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 Post subject: Re: Why do LDS dismiss the greater part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:52 am 
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That is correct. By the time of the resurrection, it is too late to marry. The Sadducee's incomplete use of this story form Tobit also is a good indication of their knowledge of ancient teaching of marriage in the afterlife.

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 Post subject: Re: Why do LDS dismiss the greater part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:03 am 
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That is correct. By the time of the resurrection, it is too late to marry. The Sadducee's incomplete use of this story form Tobit also is a good indication of their knowledge of ancient teaching of marriage in the afterlife.


There was no first century belief in eternal marriage.

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 Post subject: Re: Why do LDS dismiss the greater part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:21 am 
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There was no first century belief in eternal marriage.


Sure there was. 1 Cor 11:11, 1 Peter 3:7, etc. etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Why do LDS dismiss the greater part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:27 am 
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There was no first century belief in eternal marriage.


Sure there was. 1 Cor 11:11, 1 Peter 3:7, etc. etc.


Your dishonest misuse of scripture is noted.

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 Post subject: Re: Why do LDS dismiss the greater part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:36 pm 
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bcspace wrote:
In addition, we teach all generally accepted (nonCatholic) NT books and there is nothing in the NT that is in conflict with LDS doctrine.


What is a nonCatholic NT book?

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 Post subject: Re: Why Do LDS Dismiss the Greater Part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:55 pm 
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BC is absolutely correct in stating that there was eternal marriage taught in the NT! That is why the keys of the binding or sealing power where given to Peter, James, and John. That whatsoever they bound on earth, including marriage, would be bound in heaven!


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 Post subject: Re: Why do LDS dismiss the greater part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:24 am 
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There was no first century belief in eternal marriage.


Sure there was. 1 Cor 11:11, 1 Peter 3:7, etc. etc.



bcspace, how do you know that these scriptures aren't amongst the parts of the NT that have been incorrectly translated?

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 Post subject: Re: Why Do LDS Dismiss the Greater Part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 12:03 pm 
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One single verse from anyone that actually supports the idea of "eternal marriage", please....and while you're at it, one supporting verse that it was or should be done in the temple.


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 Post subject: Re: Why Do LDS Dismiss the Greater Part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 9:14 pm 
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Albion, you must not be reading the posts. BC has quoted you two already. I will give you another; Matthew 16:19. However, these may be a problem for you since apparently you have not had the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands.


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 Post subject: Re: Why Do LDS Dismiss the Greater Part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 6:23 am 
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No, gdemetz, what I don't have is your ability to make jumps from a scripture that is there to conclusions that are not there, Again, one scripture please that talks about eternal marriage.


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 Post subject: Re: Why do LDS dismiss the greater part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 8:12 am 
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That is correct. By the time of the resurrection, it is too late to marry. The Sadducee's incomplete use of this story form Tobit also is a good indication of their knowledge of ancient teaching of marriage in the afterlife.

You are missing something here. The woman was already married. The question was, since she was married to all of the brothers, which one would she be married to in the hereafter? Christ's answer was none because at the resurrection, no one is married or given in marriage. There was no preface of a "til death do you part" clause, so we are not talking here about proper authority. The question was taking into account that she was married under proper authority. If that was the case, shouldn't the correct answer have been the first brother? Christ's answer was that everyone is as angels in heaven and there is no marriage. If he is speaking to no one being able to be married in the next life, and having to be married while on earth first, then how is it that women who leave this life single are supposed to be allowed to enter into the highest degree of Celestial glory, if they cannot be sealed to a man in the afterlife?


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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 11:57 pm 
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I do not believe there is any eternal marriage for anyone given in marriage. There may be an eternal marriage for two who both choose to marry.

A sealed marriage just means that a promise is made to the two people. I for one will not bind the hands of God to seal who He wishes.


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 Post subject: Re: Why do LDS dismiss the greater part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 6:35 pm 
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That is correct. By the time of the resurrection, it is too late to marry. The Sadducee's incomplete use of this story form Tobit also is a good indication of their knowledge of ancient teaching of marriage in the afterlife.

You are missing something here. The woman was already married. The question was, since she was married to all of the brothers, which one would she be married to in the hereafter? Christ's answer was none because at the resurrection, no one is married or given in marriage. There was no preface of a "til death do you part" clause, so we are not talking here about proper authority. The question was taking into account that she was married under proper authority. If that was the case, shouldn't the correct answer have been the first brother? Christ's answer was that everyone is as angels in heaven and there is no marriage. If he is speaking to no one being able to be married in the next life, and having to be married while on earth first, then how is it that women who leave this life single are supposed to be allowed to enter into the highest degree of Celestial glory, if they cannot be sealed to a man in the afterlife?


Bumping for BC. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Why Do LDS Dismiss the Greater Part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:45 pm 
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Here we go Albion, I have to go back to primary again! Read 1 Peter 3:7, it states that the husband and wife become "heirs together" of the grace of life, and as BC also mentioned; "neither is the man without the woman, or the woman without the man in the Lord!" I'm confident that you will have some dumb evangelical twist to this as you always do, but please spare me!

For the rest of you: It should be noted here that the Sadducees did not believe in angels or the resurrection. So, why did they ask the question in the first place? They had no reason to except that they knew that Christ's disciples not only believed in it, but they actually were performing eternal bindings, sealings, or eternal marriges! That is what prompted their question in the first place! Unfortunately and obviously, Christ's answer is not complete, but there are different fragments of his statements to them in at least two of the gospels. From those, we can see that He said that they erred, not knowing the scriptures or the power of God. The reason for their error was the fact that they were comparing an eternal marriage by the power of God, which the Sadducees, like many here, did not understand, to a Jewish civil marriage custom! He further chides them by stating that "THE CHILDREN OF THIS WORLD" (SOMETHING HE NEVER CALLED HIS DISCIPLES) and they that "INHERIT THAT WORLD" (A LOWER HEAVEN) neither married nor were given in marriage!


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 Post subject: Re: Why Do LDS Dismiss the Greater Part of the New Testament
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 6:34 am 
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You are quite the insulter, aren't you gdemetz.! I repeat....one single verse in the NT that mentions eternal marriage. So far you have given nothing only verses that you extend and infer support it. I admit, the concept is appealing but there is nothing there to support it in reality.


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