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 Post subject: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:37 am 
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I admit that I have been following Dan Peterson's blogging enterprise. Most of it is typical Peterson fluff. He seems to be trying to break some kind of blogger record for most posts in a year. But most of the posts consist of only a paragraph or two. Some of them are only a single sentence with a link to an article elsewhere on the web.

Still, I couldn't help but shake my head at this post from yesterday: A Hearty Welcome to Imetatron. In the post, Peterson welcomes his "friend" Will Schryver to the blogosphere. He characterizes Schryver as "an interesting thinker and a true original". Sounds like a pretty tepid endorsement on the surface. But then Peterson proceeds to fill out his post by telling an anecdote concerning something said by Uncle Tom Sowell. Why this anecdote? Well, because Schryver's opening post on his blog is in a similar vein: slavery was actually God's will and it should be viewed as a blessing to those lucky Africans who made the trip across the Atlantic in those fancy cruise ships in order to fulfill the will of the Almighty for them to become more like his chosen people (white people, of course) by picking a lifetime worth of pure, delightsome cotton.

What are these people (Peterson and Schryver) thinking? You'd expect that in this "Mormon Moment" election year they would be conscious of the need of being just a little politically correct. Then again, maybe this is just the way they think Mormons should address the inevitable "Curse of Cain" questions that will be coming up with greater regularity as November approaches.

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In Peterson's defense, he does post a really cool photo of the eclipse in this blog post, along with photos of him, his wife, and Will Schryver and his wife and daughter.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:45 am 
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...Well, because Schryver's opening post on his blog is in a similar vein: slavery was actually God's will and it should be viewed as a blessing to those lucky Africans who made the trip across the Atlantic in those fancy cruise ships in order to fulfill the will of the Almighty for them to become more like his chosen people (white people, of course) by picking a lifetime worth of pure, delightsome cotton.....



AAAAAAAAAAAARGH! UUUUUUUUURGH!

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I don't care if I am banned for life. Where does Schryver live? I shall go there, kidnap him and sell him as a slave to a sheikh in Saudi Arabia who wants a chief eunuch with a ponytail.

Then we can see how grateful he is to me for rescuing him from Mormonism.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:46 am 
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Oh God, I hope this leaks to the news media - LDS Chief Apologist buddies up to slavery apologist!

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:48 am 
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I read the blog. Then I went the bathroom and threw up - twice.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:49 am 
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:eek:

That's worse than what Randy Bott said. At least I have heard Randy Bott's apologetics in TBM circles before. I don't think I've ever heard a TBM argue that slavery was ordained of god and black people should be grateful their ancestors came to America. Wow.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:51 am 
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Carton wrote:
it should be viewed as a blessing to those lucky Africans who made the trip across the Atlantic in those fancy cruise ships


LOL. I can imagine apologists using the argument that it is really expensive to travel across the ocean, so those blacks were lucky to get a free ride. In fact, that is probably why blacks are a bunch of free loaders today. We set a bad precedent with the free cruise.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:54 am 
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Cheer up guys!

You're all gonna be Mormons!

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:55 am 
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Peterson is parroting old school doctrine that the Cult is trying desperately to get people to forget. If Peterson isn't careful, he's going to end up going the way of Bott.

Everyone knows why blacks couldn't receive the penishood. But make mention of that to the Cult and or Cult members and you get a firestorm of misdirections.

Peterson fears that we will call him a racist - so he uses the words of other authors to convey the message he wants us to see, without actually saying it.

I wonder if Peterson called Schryver to repent for his misogyny.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:02 pm 
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"I thank God Almighty that he saw fit to snatch my forefathers from the darkness of their lives in Africa and plant them here in this land where, after not many generations, the majority of them are finally breaking free from the bondage of ignorance and dependence. Yes, slavery is inherently evil. Many suffered, not the least the slave traders and slave owners stained by its shame. But there was a divine purpose in these things, and I refuse to mock God by failing to see His hand in all things. And, most of all, I refuse to see my children returned to the slavery of dependence on those who condescendingly view themselves as our superiors."

Those lucky slaves! And thanks to them, we have light cotton, which has played a choice role in the lives of young Latter-day Saints in the 1970's.

You know, I often think that, much like Pharaoh, King of Egypt, the plantation owners were trying to imitate the order of the priesthood. For example, the sacred temple ordinance of receiving a new name.

Surely the merciful and wondrous plan of our Heavenly Father was manifested when, because of choices they made in the pre-mortal existence, certain of His children were foreordained to be born in the lineage of Cain, that the blessings of being another person's property could be theirs. And to think that we live in a time when politically correct leftists decry the practice of buying and selling black people as livestock.

Oh, dear God, please, please, PLEASE let Schryver be published by the Maxwell Institute, and let that be merely a steeping stone to the glorious day when his work will be found in the Ensign.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:03 pm 
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Cheer up guys!

You're all gonna be Mormons!


And thus we see another example of how the Lord inspires people to travel by ship to America, that the blessings of the Gospel may be theirs.........

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:06 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:09 pm 
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Upon seeing the title of this thread I thought "this can't be right." It isn't. Neither DCP nor Schryver promote or condone racism or slavery, as the thread title suggests. Of course Darth J didn't cite the quote correctly, either. Neither Schryver nor DCP said those words. Carl M. Franklin did.

In your haste to hate everything about the church, it's members, and it's academics, you've become very very lazy. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for this very seriously false charge.

I threw up, too, after seeing yet another lie from the members of this board.


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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
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See? Another example of how slavery was just an attempt by righteous men to imitate the true Gospel. In this instance, baptism.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:10 pm 
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So the idea is that although slavery was horrible, it saved the slaves' descendants from having to live in the impoverished, war-torn continent of Africa?

One of the several problems with that logic is that without the slave trade, Africa might not be in such a depressing state in the first place.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:12 pm 
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This is a truly perverted reading of Mr Petersons statement. Hatred of the man is beyond reason. I realize having read message board posts from him for some time, back to when he actually argued with nonmormons, that he can be annoying. He can be dismissive. He is quicker witted than most posters.

What he said in this article is:" enforced servitued of blacks in the United States was a horrific injustice, even at its best an inexcusable offense agianst God, humanity, and fundamental principals of the American founding."

Now I do not share Mr Pertersons politics. Barring unknown negative revelation about our president I will vote for him for a second term. But I do think kneejerk attacks on people as racist, distorting their statements, hurts all nonconservative political chances.


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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:13 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:13 pm 
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This is a truly dark thread ... and in the spirit of that statement, I offer this link that I found by accident while googling the source of DarthJ's quotation:

http://www.linkognito.com/b.php?b=537

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:14 pm 
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static wrote:
Upon seeing the title of this thread I thought "this can't be right." It isn't. Neither DCP nor Schryver promote or condone racism or slavery, as the thread title suggests. Of course Darth J didn't cite the quote correctly, either. Neither Schryver nor DCP said those words. Carl M. Franklin did.

In your haste to hate everything about the church, it's members, and it's academics, you've become very very lazy. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for this very seriously false charge.

I threw up, too, after seeing yet another lie from the members of this board.


So you think DCP and Schryver disagree with the quote Darth J put up?

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:15 pm 
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static wrote:
Upon seeing the title of this thread I thought "this can't be right." It isn't. Neither DCP nor Schryver promote or condone racism or slavery, as the thread title suggests. Of course Darth J didn't cite the quote correctly, either. Neither Schryver nor DCP said those words. Carl M. Franklin did.

In your haste to hate everything about the church, it's members, and it's academics, you've become very very lazy. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for this very seriously false charge.

I threw up, too, after seeing yet another lie from the members of this board.



And how to you spell the name of the LDS church? Type it out.

Come on. Tell me.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:16 pm 
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What he said in this article is:" enforced servitued of blacks in the United States was a horrific injustice, even at its best an inexcusable offense agianst God, humanity, and fundamental principals of the American founding."

Why didn't you quote the next part where he talks about the good that can come from evil? The evil, in this case, being slavery.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:17 pm 
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So we can judge for ourselves:

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Carl M. Franklin, PhD, my new friend from New Orleans, listened patiently to the patronizing arguments of his Yellow Dog Democrat friends, then breathed a sigh and commenced to deliver one of the most impressive and impassioned speeches I have heard in my entire life. His words were eloquent, articulate, and profoundly earnest. I recount them to the best of my recollection:

"My grandfather was born a slave. His fathers, going back five generations, had been slaves, brought to America from Africa in the late 18th century. My grandfather moved to the north after the Civil War and struggled to make a living. My father struggled, too. He left my mother and his children when I was very young, and I never saw him again. My mother struggled to raise us, but she never let us feel sorry for ourselves. She insisted that we go to church. She insisted that we go to school. I was the first in my family to go to college. I worked multiple jobs all through college until I achieved my doctorate. It wasn't easy. I was subjected to lots of prejudice. When I was in college, there were many students and professors who, quite sincerely, did not believe blacks could even do basic mathematics, let alone electrical engineering. But I stuck with it, and notwithstanding the discrimination I encountered from time to time, I overcame all the obstacles in my path and eventually got to where I am today, in an America that has, to a great extent, moved past the racism I faced when I was younger. Now I am an old man. I have lived a rewarding and satisfying life. I have enjoyed the love of a great woman for almost fifty years. Our children are educated and prosperous."

And then his voice softened in volume and intensified in tone as he looked straight at his "Yellow Dog Democrat" acquaintances who were, moments before, advocating that he be rewarded for the suffering of his ancestors in slavery.

"I thank God Almighty that he saw fit to snatch my forefathers from the darkness of their lives in Africa and plant them here in this land where, after not many generations, the majority of them are finally breaking free from the bondage of ignorance and dependence. Yes, slavery is inherently evil. Many suffered, not the least the slave traders and slave owners stained by its shame. But there was a divine purpose in these things, and I refuse to mock God by failing to see His hand in all things. And, most of all, I refuse to see my children returned to the slavery of dependence on those who condescendingly view themselves as our superiors."

The Yellow Dog Democrats sat silently as Dr. Franklin concluded his impressive oration, then summarily finished their drinks and excused themselves from our company.

I stood and extended my hand to Dr. Franklin, who then stood himself and embraced me warmly.

"You are a great man Dr. Franklin, and I count myself fortunate to have made your acquaintance."

"And I yours."

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