Screech, you are right. I should have used the word, allegedly. Regarding the scriptures, the book of Genesis was written by Moses (or a scribe of Moses), and those events were written by inspiration, just as Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Moses by revelation. It all comes down to testimony and faith. I don't have a testimony or faith in a story like the one in question, however, I do have a testimony of the Books of Genesis and Moses just as I have a testimony of Jesus' encounter with the woman at the well. I admit, it is not easy to build a testimony. It takes a lot of study and prayer, and it certainly helps if one has the gift of the Holy Ghost. Secular persons will think all of this is hogwash, but the ones who have experienced all this will know differently. "My sheep know me and they hear my voice." Shulem, I apologize for setting a bad example here!

Back in the day when I was a faithful Mormon I believed in the story of Jonah. No problem. It was just a matter of accepting it as fact and denying every reasonable argument to show it as being a ridiculous myth made up by religious writers trying to maintain order.

I also had no problem accepting Mormon scriptures and considered them to be divine and as gifts from the same God who gave us the story of Jonah. Well, I came to realize that Joseph Smith made up his stories with a lot of help from his friends as they tried to outdo the established religions of their day by coming up with a so-called restoration. Just look at the restoration of the Facsimile No. 3 by the Explanations Joseph Smith tendered! Those are statements that embarrass any good Mormon.

Paul O

I have seen that, but to be honest, I am not by a long shot qualified to try and interpret it. All I know is, according to FAIR, there are some experts who claim that Joseph Smith may be right.

May be right about what specifically?

Concerning his comments regarding the figures, I believe that's what was being disputed.

What figures specifically do you think Joseph may have got right?

I would think all of them. Why would he bother to comment on only the figures if he didn't fell inspired to do so?

When you say figures are you talking about the facsimiles?

Yes.

OK. Now what specifically did Joseph get right in the facsimiles? It wound be nice for you to answer directly and not give some vague, you can check it out here. If you know he got some or much of it right you should be able to show some of them yourself.

Here is a good link to help you out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham

Here we go again, Themis. You quote one site and I quote another. I am not an Egyptologist. Could I look at those and tell what they signify? No, I could not, but I trust what FAIR has to say about it as much as you trust Wikipedia.

No you just assert that according to Fair there are some experts who claim Joseph smith may be right. I asked you to back this up and you gave absolutely nothing. No quotes, links or anything. This is what is normal for you when asked to back up assertions, and why just about everyone here is now just ignoring you.



Unlike you I don't trust any of them that much. I like to look at the facts. I am fairly certain I have read many more articles from fair and farms over the years then you have about this and other LDS subjects. This is why no one is taking you seriously anymore.

Check out Hugh W. Nibley "On the Pearl of Great Price."

No. I have probably read more about this from fair and farms then you, and I already told you I will not tolerate your laziness. Provide a link or forget it. Even better show that you even know what some argue that he got right. Show you even know something about it more then they say he got some right. I already know most if not all what they claim he got right. I suspect you don't.

That is not from FAIR.

Who cares. I have read a number of things from Hugh Nibley on this and other subjects. I probably know it much better then you. I will not look at anything up until you provide links. I am not going to waste time trying to find what you want. Show specifically what you think Joesph got right. Again, stop being lazy and back up your assertions.

Themis, you probably think that you know these things better than anybody, and that your great wisdom and knowledge is above all! Who is lazy? When I look up the source and give it to you, you are too d@#% lazy to put it in a web search! Look it up yourself, and then tell me what you think is wrong with his analogy! If you give me something like that, I will look it up!

So you must think you know more then anyone since I never said I did. I only said I probably know more then you do based on your ports to date. If you accuse me of thinking I know more then anyone based on what I said, you must think you know more then all. Try reading what I say. I think there are many who know more then I about these subjects.



The lazy one is the person who makes the assertion they are basing on some information they claim is on the internet and then expect everyone else to start searches to try and find the evidence that is suppose to support your assertions. The non-lazy person is the one who links the site or artricle they want to reference like I did when I first asked to to show what Joseph got right. This site was only to help you get started. Here it is again

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham

The above is what we call a link. If you even gave the exact address that would help, but no you expect everyone else to do your work for you and call them lazy for refusing.



If you know where it is then you have the responsibility to provide it since you made the assertions. Everyone seems to get this but you.