When people disagree with homosexuality, the normal liberal tactic (right out of Rules for Radicals) is to run to namecalling. The common term is homophobe. Certainly if I don't agree with gay marriage, it must be because I FEAR homosexuals.

So here is my new word for the members of this board. Mormonaphobes.

Now I admit that you folks worked harder than I did to earn homophobe. I simply disagree with SSM. However, you folks mock the Church, accuse the Church of horrible things, lie, character assassinate, and generally spew uglies at anything Mormon.

So there it is. My contribution to Internet LDS terminology. Mormonaphobes.

JMS

What do you call a person who disagrees with polygamy? Maybe it is a polyphobe? Hmm, that doesn't fit very well. Maybe Polygamophobe?

Pluralaphobe.

JMS

Huh, I don't see that anywhere. Can you point me to the source? Mostly, I'm curious if this is a real phobia.

You're calling bcspace a Mormonaphobe?

isn't "fear of" the main ingredient of *phobe?

I don't know if you fear SSA, but I do know I don't fear Mormonism ... born and raised in it.

Shut up, Mormonaphobe! :)

(That's usually the gist of most SSM conversations - Just shut them up with the word homophobe).

JMS

Mormonism is a lifestyle choice. Homosexuality is inborn.

Please don't try to impose your alternative lifestyle on the rest of us decent Americans.

The thinking behind using the term "homophobia" to describe those that have an louder than usual preoccupation of condemning gays and lesbians and vigorously promoting anti-gay legislation often is not that such individuals "FEAR homosexuals."

Rather, "homophobia" in that context is often used to underscore that such individuals (who have an louder than usual preoccupation of condemning gays and lesbians and vigorously promoting anti-gay legislation) have been scientifically shown to have a much higher probability of "FEARING their OWN latent homosexuality."

Those that protest more than their average straight counterparents are more likely to be fighting their own innate same-sex attractions, and the term homophobe refers to such individuals' "FEAR" that if laws allow for fully equal expression of same-sex relationships, their own resolve to fight against such may be weakened.

Daniel2

I have a new term: Skainsaphobe.

Hello Jskains,

I don't know you but it seems you have anger issues. Might you take a moment to enjoy the sunshine today? Spring is a great time of year to go on walks. Might you consider it?

Zee.

Let's see.

Lead counsel for the plaintiffs in Perry v. Schwarzenegger (sub nomine Perry v. Brown on appeal) was Theodore Olson, who is a well-known conservative.

There is in fact such a thing as a gay person who is politically conservative.

There are believing Mormons who are in favor of same-sex marriage.

I think it was very thoughtful for Josh to post his OP. Some people reading the board may not have understood the non sequitur fallacy, so it was nice for Josh to provide this demonstration.

P.S. Josh, have you ever had a couple of 20 year-old boys knock on your door and invite you to learn more about being gay?

The thing you have to understand about Josh is that he's a big kidder. A lot of people don't pick up on that and they become Skainsaphobes.

Can you point to some examples of this type of exchange, Jaskins?

Daniel

Having been raised Mormon (born in the 50's), I'd suggest that society at that time was generally homophobic. The Church (Christianity in general) instilled fear of it.

don't look back!

One Good Man

To be fair to Josh, I can see the reasonableness of his position.

After all, Bronze Age Hebrews thought homosexuality was icky, so they told stories about how their tribal god wanted people who do gay stuff to be stoned. And a Yankee con man from New York picked up on that mythology, and a corporate gerontocracy in Utah in turn picked up on that.

So his moral indignation at gay people being treated fairly has a rich and well-founded pedigree.

The problem here is a basic misunderstanding of the word. It reminds me of the people who say "I'm not apologizing for anything" when called an apologist.

The -phobe suffix can mean fear, but it also means dislike. It's the opposite of the suffix -phile. A xenophobe isn't afraid of foreigners; he just dislikes them. A Francophobe isn't afraid of French people and culture; he merely dislikes all things French (as opposed to a Francophile, who really likes them). The prefixes pro- and anti- work the same way, and since Mormons have already embraced the anti- prefix with such gusto, your word coinage is entirely redundant.

In short, the word homophobe was never intended to convey fear of gays, but dislike or aversion. It's the opposite of a homophile, who likes and supports them. So I'll tell you where you can put your "Rules for Radicals" nonsense... well, I think you already know.

Typical liberal reaction.

JMS

krose,

Sorry for the misuse. Sounds like I need a new word to describe it then.

Saying that the way I was raised in regards to SSA was "dislike" would be like saying the KKK disliked blacks. The only difference really being the possibility that I could become (or be accused of becoming) gay, and become the target of societies hate.

It was all about fear.

But of course in the case of Kish's new word ... I concede your point.

The interesting thing is that there really are people for whom the "fear" meaning works quite well, whether fear of their own sexuality (as Daniel said), fear of being turned, or fear of some murky threat they can't quite define.

And I think there is probably fear involved in most situations of hate, so I don't think there is a big problem with what you're saying. I do think "aversion" is pretty accurate.

Or why not Mopologiaphobe, because disliking Mormon apologetics in the form of most "defenders" of Mormonism online and at the Maxwell Institute is very different from disliking Mormonism in general. Especially when they launch into so many attacks on members of the LDS Church and outsiders who come to different conclusions than they have.

I think Kish's term is a small subset of larger group of people who are Trollophobes and who don't particularly like trolls.

Thanks,

Hasa Diga Eebowai