Matthew J. Tandy wrote:
DWhitmer: Your post is completely irrelevant to this thread. It has nothing to do directly with the mysterios article involving John Dehlin, nor the interaction of Dan, John, and a general authority. Please open a new thread if you wish to preach about the fallen restored church. Wait. That's against the board rules. On second thought, please just try to stay on topic.
Dwitmer Starts a new thread, as per the request.
Since Mormonism claims that the key stone of their religion is the Book of Mormon; and since the validity of the Nephite record is based in large on the claims of the twelve witnesses; any "slaying" of a Book of Mormon witness, to disparage their character, deserves a response.
In another thread Pahoran said:
And now to slaughter your sacred cow:
David Whitmer was clearly a conservative, low-church Protestant throughout his life. He enlarged his definition of "scripture" to include the Book of Mormon because he had to -- his undeniable supernatural experiences left him no choice. But he then carried on as if nothing much else had happened. Receiving no such supernatural experiences about the relevations (in contrast to others) he disregarded them as long as they disagreed with his interpretation of what he was willing to receive as scripture. Thus it is that his testimony of the supernatural events around the coming forth of the Book of Mormon is superlatively important, because it is clear that if those events had not happened, he would have refused to believe them; while his rather stupid opinions about Joseph Smith's prophetic calling, tainted as they clearly were by personal jealousy and animus, are rather worthless, since they merely reflect his own personal prejudices.
Something was slained - the character of the most interviewed and therefore staunches defender of the book you claim to believe in. What are the facts?
David was such a "jealous" person that despite not having participated in Zion's Camp he was immediately ordained thereafter as J.Smith's successor, almost to say to the others:
"If you were dumb enough to join me in Zion's Camp, you're not fit to be a leader of this church."
When Emma sent her sons to meet David Whitmer, knowing he was such an "opinionated" person she said:
"When you see David Whitmer, you will see an HONEST man." (Emma Smith, 1856, Saints' Herald, June 21, 1884)So the moderator chimes in....Obviously Pahoran missed the mark and hasn't the foggiest idea who the true David Whitmer was.
As a general rule we do not allow personal threads. If you want to fight with Pahoran use a PM.
Pahoran gets chumped, a strong argument is made and the thread gets locked........ but I didn't see any personal attack, so why did it get locked for other than making a good argument and making Pahoran a fool?
Those mods don't like it when the cadre of the elite get pwned.