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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 5:25 am 
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I'm not an Egyptologist, and probably the prophet is not either. Why don't you ask FAIR and see what they tell you?


You're not an Egyptologist? I know that, silly. And neither are the guys at FAIR other than John Gee and I already know what he has to say about the writing contained in the Facsimile No. 3. He reads them the same as do other Egyptologists. They all read pretty much the same exact thing. That's as far as John Gee's authority on the subject goes. He has no authority to represent the church and discuss the false readings of Joseph Smith because that is outside of his field of expertise. That job remains only for the President of the church. Not by FARMS. Not by school teachers at BYU. Not by apologists who think they have ideas. It's for the President of the church to comment on the so-called revelations of Mormon scripture. And we can all see how the President of the church has shrunk from his duty because he is afraid of being exposed for not coming up with answers that will satisfy anyone.

The prophet isn't an Egyptologist but he's supposed to be a translator and he can at least act like Joe Smith and pretend to read a little Goddamn Egyptian. I don't want to hear these f*****g excuses about how the prophet doesn't read Egyptian. He's a Goddamn translator, seer, and revelator! Let him act the role.

It seems you have nothing to add. The Facsimile No. 3 beat the apologetic s*** out of you. Poor you. Bruised and beaten by the critics. Mormon scripture is proven to be b***s*** and there isn't a damn thing you can say or do to save your Facsimile No. 3. How's your testimony of Facsimile No. 3 Explanations? Have you lost that testimony? If not, then bear it, please.

I'm waiting to hear your testimony of those Explantions.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 5:27 am 
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Shulem wrote:
gdemetz wrote:
I'm not an Egyptologist, and probably the prophet is not either. Why don't you ask FAIR and see what they tell you?


You're not an Egyptologist? I know that, silly. And neither are the guys at FAIR other than John Gee and I already know what he has to say about the writing contained in the Facsimile No. 3. He reads them the same as do other Egyptologists. They all read pretty much the same exact thing. That's as far as John Gee's authority on the subject goes. He has no authority to represent the church and discuss the false readings of Joseph Smith because that is outside of his field of expertise. That job remains only for the President of the church. Not by FARMS. Not by school teachers at BYU. Not by apologists who think they have ideas. It's for the President of the church to comment on the so-called revelations of Mormon scripture. And we can all see how the President of the church has shrunk from his duty because he is afraid of being exposed for not coming up with answers that will satisfy anyone.

The prophet isn't an Egyptologist but he's supposed to be a translator and he can at least act like Joe Smith and pretend to read a little Goddamn Egyptian. I don't want to hear these f*****g excuses about how the prophet doesn't read Egyptian. He's a Goddamn translator, seer, and revelator! Let him act the role.

It seems you have nothing to add. The Facsimile No. 3 beat the apologetic s*** out of you. Poor you. Bruised and beaten by the critics. Mormon scripture is proven to be b***s*** and there isn't a damn thing you can say or do to save your Facsimile No. 3. How's your testimony of Facsimile No. 3 Explanations? Have you lost that testimony? If not, then bear it, please.

I'm waiting to hear you testimony of those Explantions, Mormon.

Paul O


It is amusing that the Church's one Egyptologist has been shown to have specifically lied about the Book of Abraham and was demonstrably engaged in deceit to try and hoodwink people into believing it.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 5:35 am 
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Drifting wrote:
gdemetz wrote:
I'm not an Egyptologist, and probably the prophet is not either. Why don't you ask FAIR and see what they tell you?


Are FAIR Egyptologists?


Nope. And they have said very little about the false readings given by Joseph Smith. The Church President has said absolutely nothing. He's afraid. He knows he has no special powers to divine and he also knows that the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 are anything but what is really written in the Egyptian writing. All he can do is look at the Egyptian writing with wonder and wonder whether he will ever get a revelation. Talk about faithless! The President of the Church hasn't a scrap of faith to call down a single revelation on the subject. How telling. How revealing! The prophet himself is smart enough to know when he's been had. All he can say is, "I don't know". But a prophet, seer, and revelator that keeps doing that is not going to be regarded as a prophet, seer, and revelator forever. At some point the gifts of his office must be manifest if he wants to be considered ligit. He want to be in the big shoes and be called a translator by his people but clearly he has no ability to do that. That's why we are just when we call them false prophets.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:46 pm 
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FAIR has consulted some who are Egyptologists!


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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:29 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
FAIR has consulted some who are Egyptologists!


:lol:

FAIR and the Church have consulted a lot of Egyptologists.
There's a reason they only refer to a very small few of them...

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:59 am 
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Drifting wrote:
gdemetz wrote:
FAIR has consulted some who are Egyptologists!


:lol:

FAIR and the Church have consulted a lot of Egyptologists.
There's a reason they only refer to a very small few of them...


And every single qualified Egyptologist will read the writing in Facsimile No. 3 exactly as the orginal author penned it thousands of years ago. That of course does not reflect well on the official version translated by Joseph Smith and published by the the church as a revelation to the world. It just goes to show that Joseph Smith couldn't really read Egyptian as he pretended to do. It goes to show that his ideas of what was in the Facsimile were totally wrong and off the mark. And since he lied about the Book of Abraham it only goes to support the mountain of evidences that he lied about the Book of Mormon too.

Such a web of deceit. But we see that Mormons feast on deceit as if it was some kind of sick need to nourish their poor souls. What's really sick is that they are trying to get others to fall into this pit with them. They are working feverishly to bring souls into their church so they too can be duped over the Book of Abraham and believe in false translations.

:rolleyes:

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 5:24 am 
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Shulem wrote:
Drifting wrote:

:lol:

FAIR and the Church have consulted a lot of Egyptologists.
There's a reason they only refer to a very small few of them...


And every single qualified Egyptologist will read the writing in Facsimile No. 3 exactly as the orginal author penned it thousands of years ago. That of course does not reflect well on the official version translated by Joseph Smith and published by the the church as a revelation to the world. It just goes to show that Joseph Smith couldn't really read Egyptian as he pretended to do. It goes to show that his ideas of what was in the Facsimile were totally wrong and off the mark. And since he lied about the Book of Abraham it only goes to support the mountain of evidences that he lied about the Book of Mormon too.

Such a web of deceit. But we see that Mormons feast on deceit as if it was some kind of sick need to nourish their poor souls. What's really sick is that they are trying to get others to fall into this pit with them. They are working feverishly to bring souls into their church so they too can be duped over the Book of Abraham and believe in false translations.

:rolleyes:

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Especially given that Joseph Smith also claimed the Author was Abraham himself who, with his own hand wrote those things on that papyrus (which sadly isn't old enough for Abraham to have written anything on it, unless he did so from the grave...)

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 5:40 am 
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Drifting wrote:
Especially given that Joseph Smith also claimed the Author was Abraham himself who, with his own hand wrote those things on that papyrus (which sadly isn't old enough for Abraham to have written anything on it, unless he did so from the grave...)


And we see how the General Authorities don't touch this subject no matter what. They know that the truth claims of Joseph being a translater vs. modern Egyptology is not a fight they can win in any reasonable school of thought. So, the GA's keep their mouths shut and the prophets refuse to prophesy or provide continous revelation to the starving LDS church. Yes, the church is starved for more light and knowledge regarding the makings of the Book of Abraham. I get the feeling that members would like to know more about how Joseph Smith created this book and why his answers don't accord with Egyptology. But quietly, the members will put it on the back burner of faith and hush their mouths lest the leaders see them as complainers and question their loyalty to the church.

Yet again I will attest, the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 are utterly false and untrue. I defy anyone to attempt to refute that. It just goes to show that the founding prophet of Mormonism couldn't read Egyptian as he claimed to do. He lied about everything.

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 6:28 pm 
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Where did you get your PHD in Egyptology, Shulem?


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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 7:55 pm 
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Elder Holland is attempting to spit out the name of the Egyptian king contained in the writing of Facsimile No.3 as officially proclaimed by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

"Pay, lay, or ale?" (Repeated 3 times. All arise.) Oh what the f***, Holland, just slit your throat for the lord. You f*****g revealed the name!

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