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 Post subject: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men leer
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:43 am 
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ARGH! Here is a fantastic example of the message that is routinely sent to the females of the LDS church.

http://www2.byui.edu/Presentations/Tran ... rsusan.htm

Here is a quote used in the talk given by Susan Bednar:

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Many young women at Ricks College are showing too much skin. Every day I see at least one girl sitting somewhere with a substantial part of her lower back exposed. It has become way too common of an occurrence. It is thoughtless, inappropriate, and embarrassing. Any time that I see such an occurrence, I cannot help but think how ignorant these young women are. Exposed skin and immodest clothing can introduce thoughts into a person's mind that would have never existed otherwise. Such thoughts can be overpowering and lead to improper and immoral actions. Good people can stumble because of seemingly small situations (John Wilson, Scroll, "Epidermis exposure is too common," November 7, 2000).


Ladies, if you show skin it is your fault if boys think about sex or actually act on any of their natural impulses. You are ignorant if you don't think so!

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. . . I have another matter that weighs upon my mind . . . with respect to the women, and more particularly with regard to the manner in which they dress. Never, perhaps, at least within the period of my life--and I have lived in the world nearly seventy-five years--never, I say within the period of my life and experience have I seen such obscene, uncleanly, impure, and suggestive fashions of women's dress as I see today. Some of them are abominable. I lift my voice against these audacious practices and these infamous fashions . . . (Joseph F. Smith, October Conference, 1913, Life of Joseph F. Smith, p. 405).


Hmmm, what horrible, immodest clothing could he have been referring to in 1913? Certainly the wives of the GA's today wear attire just as revealing as whatever JFS was referring to.

You can find some fashion examples on beloved wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1910s_in_fashion

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Susan shares an awful experience she endured as a young woman:

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Let me tell you of an embarrassing experience I had when I was your age and a student at Brigham Young University. I was wearing a tight turtle neck similar to most of the turtle necks and tight shirts I see you young women wearing. I'd gone into the 7-Eleven store to buy something to eat when I heard two sleazy boys make some extremely vulgar comments about me. The way we dress does send a message, and I sent a message I didn't intend to boys I didn't have any desire to date, much less associate with. I felt violated by their comments; I felt dirty and cheap. Inside I just wanted to say, "I'm not that kind of a girl." But the top I was wearing didn't reflect that. I never wore that top or anything tight like it again. I want to warn you, many of you are sending the wrong message about who you are by the tight tops you wear.


Sadly, she seems to indicate that it was her fault that these boys were lewd and vulgar towards her. If she had worn a tent or potato sack they would have ignored her, right?

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I talked with a father who is serving as a priesthood leader on campus. Recently when he went to pick up his daughter at her apartment complex, he was disappointed to find two girls with navel rings sunbathing in their bikinis. Young women, what kind of a message are we trying to send?


As summer and swimsuit season approach I wonder what on earth women are supposed to do! Is it wrong for females to go to the pool or beach on the chance that they might garner male attention? If they do go should they wear a mu-mu or burqa so that no one can discern their sex?
Even a one-piece swimsuit is not modest according to LDS standards because the garment cannot be covered with it. A tank top is more modest than any modern swimsuit.

Except this one, but it's still too short and tight:
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Some of the tops you wear show every bump and every curve on your breast. They fit you like a wet swimming suit with no padding, and they are showing every bit as much.


Would it help if women cut off their breasts? Or just the nipples...

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:51 am 
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Meh.

Wear what you want now.

You are out of the cult.

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:53 am 
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A man sins when he gets an erection. In order to relieve his guilt, he blames the woman for dressing in such a way that he has a sexual thought.

Complain, complain. Just take responsibility. :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:58 am 
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Well, if men on this forum were honest they would admit that when a women walks by in tight jeans with a nice bottom, they are looking. Also, when a woman wears a revealing blouse, the men are looking. It is only natural for guys to look at sexy women. Of course, I kinda like women wearing revealing clothes. It is one of the pleasures of being a man to look.

So, basically the church is right. Why excite the male into a fantasy?

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:04 pm 
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A man sins when he gets an erection. In order to relieve his guilt, he blames the woman for dressing in such a way that he has a sexual thought.

Complain, complain. Just take responsibility. :twisted:


I think the only erections I cannot take responsibility for are those of Paul O. and lulu. :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:08 pm 
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My dear wife is offended that you choose to mock her for her virtue.

Please cease and desist. God will not be mocked. Nor will Susan!

Your brother, David, yea, even Elder David A. Bednar, as always, yoked firmly in the gospel harness.

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:11 pm 
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why me wrote:
Well, if men on this forum were honest they would admit that when a women walks by in tight jeans with a nice bottom, they are looking. Also, when a woman wears a revealing blouse, the men are looking. It is only natural for guys to look at sexy women. Of course, I kinda like women wearing revealing clothes. It is one of the pleasures of being a man to look.

So, basically the church is right. Why excite the male into a fantasy?


Why blame women for your lechery, why me? Why do you have a pathological need to blame women for your own sins?

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:12 pm 
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just me wrote:

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Let me tell you of an embarrassing experience I had when I was your age and a student at Brigham Young University. I was wearing a tight turtle neck similar to most of the turtle necks and tight shirts I see you young women wearing. I'd gone into the 7-Eleven store to buy something to eat when I heard two sleazy boys make some extremely vulgar comments about me.



There are lots of sleazy boys who make vulgar comments about any half-way attractive woman they see. How does she come to the conclusion that her turtle neck was the cause of it? I would guess the same boys would make vulgar comments even if she was wearing a burka. Unfortunately, women have to put up with pigs from time to time. But we need to blame the pigs, not the women being harassed.

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:13 pm 
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All the stay at home crafty moms, can now start earning an income by embroidering your favorite BYU Campus logo on your Honor Code appropriate female attire.

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:13 pm 
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why me wrote:
Well, if men on this forum were honest they would admit that when a women walks by in tight jeans with a nice bottom, they are looking. Also, when a woman wears a revealing blouse, the men are looking. It is only natural for guys to look at sexy women. Of course, I kinda like women wearing revealing clothes. It is one of the pleasures of being a man to look.

So, basically the church is right. Why excite the male into a fantasy?


It's not a woman's responsibility. It's mine.

If a woman slaps on an abeya and walks by, I'll still look. And that's okay--as long as I'm not an ass. It's not a woman's fault if I choose to be an ass.


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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:14 pm 
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MCB wrote:
A man sins when he gets an erection.

Complain, complain. Just take responsibility. :twisted:


Is this a joke? It becomes a sin if a man gets an erection? So, a man can gawk, fantasize, and all is well in the catholic faith? I am afraid that you got it wrong.

With your statement, men who need blue pills will never sin as they gawk at women. :biggrin:

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:15 pm 
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why me wrote:
Well, if men on this forum were honest they would admit that when a women walks by in tight jeans with a nice bottom, they are looking. Also, when a woman wears a revealing blouse, the men are looking. It is only natural for guys to look at sexy women. Of course, I kinda like women wearing revealing clothes. It is one of the pleasures of being a man to look.

So, basically the church is right. Why excite the male into a fantasy?


I fail to see how covering up women will prevent men from admiring their beauty. You can cover Angelina Jolie in a burlap sack and I would still find her attractive. Since you struggle to have healthy interactions with attractive women, maybe you should just stay away from them.

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:17 pm 
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Morley wrote:

It's not a woman's responsibility. It's mine.
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Well, a guy is a guy. If a woman wears something revealing, the guy will look and imagine what if. That is just the way it is. And women know this too. Mind you, I am not complaining.

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:20 pm 
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why me wrote:
Morley wrote:

It's not a woman's responsibility. It's mine.
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Well, a guy is a guy. If a woman wears something revealing, the guy will look and imagine what if. That is just the way it is. And women know this too. Mind you, I am not complaining.


Nobody is complaining about guys looking. But when a guy turns into a lecherous ass, who's fault is it? If you have a nice car that you worked hard for, and you like to drive it around to turn heads, and a guy steals it, is it your fault for tempting him?

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:20 pm 
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DarkHelmet wrote:

I fail to see how covering up women will prevent men from admiring their beauty. You can cover Angelina Jolie in a burlap sack and I would still find her attractive.


A modest dressed woman is more appealing. It leaves more to the imagination. But to dress sexually or in an enticing way, can cause thoughts inside the man that he should not have if he is religious. It is just in dna of the natural man.

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:21 pm 
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why me wrote:
Morley wrote:

It's not a woman's responsibility. It's mine.
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Well, a guy is a guy. If a woman wears something revealing, the guy will look and imagine what if. That is just the way it is. And women know this too. Mind you, I am not complaining.


You are correct why me. I assume you are a guy, rather you have a penis between your legs.

You are admitting you can not, will not, and deliberately refuse to control your thoughts and actions. You might want to read the AoF, there are only 12, but I am pretty sure there is something in there about being responsible for your sins.


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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:25 pm 
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why me wrote:
Morley wrote:

It's not a woman's responsibility. It's mine.
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Well, a guy is a guy. If a woman wears something revealing, the guy will look and imagine what if. That is just the way it is. And women know this too. Mind you, I am not complaining.

why me, just because you are a pig doesn't mean that all men are. Stop projecting your inability to exercise self-control onto others. When a woman wears a low cut blouse, I am more than capable of keeping eye-contact.

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:26 pm 
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DarkHelmet wrote:

Nobody is complaining about guys looking. But when a guy turns into a lecherous ass, who's fault is it? If you have a nice car that you worked hard for, and you like to drive it around to turn heads, and a guy steals it, is it your fault for tempting him?


Unfortunately, the analogy does not work. Women know that when they wear something hot, sexy and revealing they will get the reaction that they are seeking and our putting thoughts into the male mind.

I will give you an example. I remember an university professor telling me about one of his students. She would always come to class in a low cut blouse and she had nice size breasts. The poor guy did not know where to look when she would speak to him or bend down to get her pencil. Did she know that she may get such a reaction from the men? I think so.

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:31 pm 
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why me wrote:
DarkHelmet wrote:

Nobody is complaining about guys looking. But when a guy turns into a lecherous ass, who's fault is it? If you have a nice car that you worked hard for, and you like to drive it around to turn heads, and a guy steals it, is it your fault for tempting him?


Unfortunately, the analogy does not work. Women know that when they wear something hot, sexy and revealing they will get the reaction that they are seeking and our putting thoughts into the male mind.

I will give you an example. I remember an university professor telling me about one of his students. She would always come to class in a low cut blouse and she had nice size breasts. The poor guy did not know where to look when she would speak to him or bend down to get her pencil. Did she know that she may get such a reaction from the men? I think so.

Eyes when speaking. Duh. Her breasts could not have been so big that he couldn't look anywhere else without staring at them. He sounds like a pervert too.

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
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why me, just because you are a pig doesn't mean that all men are. Stop projecting your inability to exercise self-control onto others. When a woman wears a low cut blouse, I am more than capable of keeping eye-contact.


Most men look unless of course they are with their wives or girlfriends. I can sit on a bench near the sea and know that a woman walking down the path will get looks from the men by what she is wearing. And the men do look admiringly. But women who are dressed more modestly are more attractive. But they don't elicit sexual thoughts.

It is natural for men and women to look at each other and size each other up. It is called attraction. However, revealing clothes elicit more than just attraction.

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 Post subject: Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:35 pm 
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He sounds like a pervert too.


Not really. He is just a guy. Now of course, the guys on this forum need to be honest and just accept that women who wear revealing clothes elicit a certain thought in the male.

Especially since porn has been a favorite topic with the ex lds males on this forum. And the women doing porn are not exactly dressed modestly.

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