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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:43 pm 
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Surrender accepted. :cool:

good for you ....the first real step towards healing is "acceptance". The rest of us had accepted your surrender long ago....nice to see you on board.

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All you're left with is looking up memes in Google images. :cool:

I'll have my secretary send the terms for you to sign later this evening. :cool:

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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:04 pm 
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Yes, that definitely get interesting. But is following a different track than my addressing your claim there is no such thing as a credible OBE by my asserting that the phenomenon of the OBE in fact exists irregardless of what is or is not what you may define as "credible".

In answer to your question: How do I explain to myself what your experiences are?

My experiences are (as is myself and all of which exists) the multiverse "realizing" itself.

Is that interesting enough for you ~_-

Don't take this as a slam as I do mean it as an insult in any way, but I doubt very much this is something you are going to comprehend.


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The multiverse (or meta-universe, metaverse) is the hypothetical set of multiple possible universes (including the historical universe we consistently experience) that together comprise everything that exists and can exist: the entirety of space, time, matter, and energy as well as the physical laws and constants that describe them. The term was coined in 1895 by the American philosopher and psychologist William James.[1] The various universes within the multiverse are sometimes called parallel universes.
The structure of the multiverse, the nature of each universe within it and the relationship between the various constituent universes, depend on the specific multiverse hypothesis considered. Multiverses have been hypothesized in cosmology, physics, astronomy, religion, philosophy, transpersonal psychology and fiction, particularly in science fiction and fantasy. In these contexts, parallel universes are also called "alternative universes", "quantum universes", "interpenetrating dimensions", "parallel dimensions", "parallel worlds", "alternative realities", "alternative timelines", and "dimensional planes," among others.


Hmmm....perhaps you're right, I don't comprehend...

I don't think you would comprehend it even were a multiverse left completely out if it and I were to have used the term universe in the singular rather than multiverse. But you asked how I would explain to myself what my experiences were. My explanation to myself is that my experiences and myself even are a part of what is in the process of the universe "realizing" itself. I suspect this is an inadequate and perhaps nonsensical explanation in your world view. If you were to think I am just waxing esoteric or simply just whack, I would disagree but would be completely comfortable with that. ~_-

OK, back to OBE's. LOLl

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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:31 am 
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I was once told (by a sensible, senior member of the Church who held relatively high office) that OBE's were an opportunity for Satan's minions to habit the vacated body of the one having the OBE. As such they were to be avoided and if one felt one was having such an experience one was to get back into ones body ASAP before a demon slipped in and claimed squatters rights...

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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:00 am 
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Drifting wrote:
I was once told (by a sensible, senior member of the Church who held relatively high office) that OBE's were an opportunity for Satan's minions to habit the vacated body of the one having the OBE. As such they were to be avoided and if one felt one was having such an experience one was to get back into ones body ASAP before a demon slipped in and claimed squatters rights...

That's frickin hilarious!

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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:13 am 
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Nomomo wrote:
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I was once told (by a sensible, senior member of the Church who held relatively high office) that OBE's were an opportunity for Satan's minions to habit the vacated body of the one having the OBE. As such they were to be avoided and if one felt one was having such an experience one was to get back into ones body ASAP before a demon slipped in and claimed squatters rights...

That's frickin hilarious!


And absolutely true.

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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:41 pm 
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There is one big distinct difference in the "Nessie" sightings and OBE's, and that is that is OBE's are something that happens to ones self as opposed to only something that he sees, or thinks he sees.


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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:27 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
There is one big distinct difference in the "Nessie" sightings and OBE's, and that is that is OBE's are something that happens to ones self as opposed to only something that he sees, or thinks he sees.

:lol:

You say some ridiculous things.

The big distinct something is that an OBE is a solo experience and a Nessie sighting is a solo experience. Really?

You didn't read that back to yourself before posting did you...?

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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:55 pm 
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Drifting, you have got to be kidding me! you can't see the difference in something that happens directly to the person himself, like an OBE, as opposed to something he merely sees?!?


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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:40 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
Drifting, you have got to be kidding me! you can't see the difference in something that happens directly to the person himself, like an OBE, as opposed to something he merely sees?!?


Stop.
Take a deep breath.

I think you claiming that an OBE is somehow a different, and therefore more valid event than someone claiming to physically see something is...shall we say...a tad one-eyed.

Where does an OBE take place? That's right - the brain.
The exact same place that a Nessie sighting takes place.

Snap!

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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:04 pm 
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That's what you and others claim; that it takes place in the brain, but I say there is much more to it than that, as the doctor I mentioned found out! There is no way that the brain can tell you that there is a red shoe on top of the hospital building if you have never see the top of that building! There are many documented experiences like that!


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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:34 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
That's what you and others claim; that it takes place in the brain, but I say there is much more to it than that, as the doctor I mentioned found out! There is no way that the brain can tell you that there is a red shoe on top of the hospital building if you have never see the top of that building! There are many documented experiences like that!


Again, when you say 'many' you really mean 'hardly any'.
In fact there was more corroboration of Nessie than there has been of OBE's.

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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:30 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
That's what you and others claim; that it takes place in the brain, but I say there is much more to it than that, as the doctor I mentioned found out! There is no way that the brain can tell you that there is a red shoe on top of the hospital building if you have never see the top of that building! There are many documented experiences like that!


I am not claiming anything, but I am careful to realize that our information of these stories may not be very accurate at all, and that vital information may be lacking as well. Studies have been done to see if this is really happening, but so far I am not aware that they have had positive results. I realize that you being a believing member may still affect how much weight you give testimonies, but if you study up a bit on it you may find you have less confidence in them for various reasons.

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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:53 pm 
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In my opinion, if one hears a number of stories like the "red shoe" one, then the conclusion which I have come up with is the only one that makes sense to me! If you have another valid explanation, please, by all means, let me know!


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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:09 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
In my opinion, if one hears a number of stories like the "red shoe" one, then the conclusion which I have come up with is the only one that makes sense to me! If you have another valid explanation, please, by all means, let me know!


I like the stories as well. The difference may be that I tend not to put to much stock into them since we cannot be sure of the details. There are many other valid explanations we are not aware of like memory of the event changing.

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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:21 am 
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That's what you and others claim; that it takes place in the brain, but I say there is much more to it than that, as the doctor I mentioned found out! There is no way that the brain can tell you that there is a red shoe on top of the hospital building if you have never see the top of that building! There are many documented experiences like that!


Red shoe stories are urban legends. It's always happening to someone who is a friend of a friend of a relative of a friend.

I've seen the story attributed to a nurse and the same story attributed to a doctor. Seems to be a lot of buildings with red shoes on the top.

What purpose is there in finding lost shoes? That's like speaking in tongues in an unintelligible babble that no one can translate. What good is it?

I can speak several languages. My wife can speak several more. We don't spend our time talking to each other in languages the other does not comprehend. Misunderstanding is easy enough even when we speak the same language.

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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:27 pm 
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This story was a first hand account which I saw on some documentary show a good while back, and the doctor was really surprised when he found that that red shoe was on the roof. There are many such stories which have been documented like that one.


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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:21 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
This story was a first hand account which I saw on some documentary show a good while back, and the doctor was really surprised when he found that that red shoe was on the roof. There are many such stories which have been documented like that one.


I like documentary's, but you still need to be careful. How do you know the details of this story are accurate. Do you have the first hand accounts, or is it coming to you through others, or through the filter of the show you watched.

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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
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gdemetz wrote:
This story was a first hand account which I saw on some documentary show a good while back, and the doctor was really surprised when he found that that red shoe was on the roof. There are many such stories which have been documented like that one.


Does the Doctor now believe in OBE's?
When you say 'many such stories' do you actually mean 'very few such stories'?
There have been 'many such stories' about Nessie sightings - does that mean Nessie is as likely to exist as OBE's? If not, why not?

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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:06 am 
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I can't speak for the doctor, but judging by his reactions, I think it is fair to say that it definitely made a very big impression on him.


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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:56 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
I can't speak for the doctor, but judging by his reactions, I think it is fair to say that it definitely made a very big impression on him.


Ignoring the last part of my post?
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 Post subject: Re: Blasphemy or Biblical?
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:29 am 
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Who knows, it's possible that their is some creature that would account for some of those "Nessie" sightings. However, the point I was making is that the OBE's are a much deeper personal experience.


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