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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:14 pm 
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So, were you sealed to your first wife? Do you have children with the first wife? Same questions for the second (or is there a second)?



Bump for ldsfaq ... well you answered the currently single with the tax return.

So kids, married previously in the temple?


Well, no response, I'll assume you were married in the temple and do have children. So, now single (and maybe seen as somewhat of a failure in the whole plan of happiness sense), are you even active in the church at this time?


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:44 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
Nope, that's not part of the gospel plan.


But it was part of the Gospel Plan in the 1800's so presumably it will be again.
Let's say you died and your wife decided to be sealed to another man. Still comfortable?

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:00 am 
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No, not really, but she has her free agency as well as I.


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:04 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
No, not really, but she has her free agency as well as I.



What if the Prophet announced that, in order for the Gospel to be fulfilled, all Mormon women needed to be sealed to an Apostle as well as to their respective husband and move to Utah. That way all the ladies would be guaranteed a place in the Celestial Kingdom even if their husbands fell away from the Gospel. That'd be okay right?

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:06 am 
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All? I may lose my testimony if that happened, but I'm confident that it wouldn't.


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:28 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
All? I may lose my testimony if that happened, but I'm confident that it wouldn't.


You see this is the problem with your testimony.
It is only confirmation of the values and beliefs that you inherently hold. If it can be lost because of an instruction from God's chosen Prophet then it really isn't a testimony of the Gospel. If it was, and you believed Monson is a Prophet of God then your testimony should facilitate you going along and supporting his decision regardless of how you felt about it personally.

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:33 am 
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You asked me a hypothetical question. What if he asked all members to kill themselves? I would then think that maybe he was a fallen prophet.


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:54 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
You asked me a hypothetical question. What if he asked all members to kill themselves? I would then think that maybe he was a fallen prophet.


You are just reinforcing my point.
Your belief in Prophets is not a belief in Prophets.
You only believe they are Prophets when they confirm something that you already believe or that matches your inherent values.

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:04 am 
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You are missing the point! I have confidence in them because they have shown good judgement in my opinion. I am saying that if they suddenly started using bad judgement, then, of course, I would lose confidence in them! "If God were not just, He would cease to be God."


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:05 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
You are missing the point! I have confidence in them because they have shown good judgement in my opinion. I am saying that if they suddenly started using bad judgement, then, of course, I would lose confidence in them! "If God were not just, He would cease to be God."


Who would determines whether their judgement is good or bad?
That's right...you do...

I rest my case your honour...

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:07 am 
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Of course, it was my judgment, at least in part, which led me to become a Mormon.


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:13 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
Of course, it was my judgment, at least in part, which led me to become a Mormon.


Exactly, your testimony is of you not of the Church.
You 100% accept of everything that you believe.
You do not accept 100% of everything that the Church believes.

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:17 am 
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You still don't understand! The church has molded many of my beliefs.


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:42 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
You still don't understand! The church has molded many of my beliefs.


What do you now believe that you didn't prior to your conversion?

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:02 pm 
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Many things, including, but not limited to "as man is, God once was, and as God is, man may become." Other things are the real personal nature of God, the plurality of Gods, the eternal nature of intelligences, etc., etc., etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:55 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
Many things, including, but not limited to "as man is, God once was, and as God is, man may become."

Well...I don't know that we teach that...


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Other things are the real personal nature of God, the plurality of Gods, the eternal nature of intelligences, etc., etc., etc.


What beliefs that you held before your conversion do you no longer hold as a result of the teachings of Mormonism?

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:58 pm 
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For one, that God was just a substance who filled the immensity of space, was everywhere, but nowhere in particular.


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:35 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
For one, that God was just a substance who filled the immensity of space, was everywhere, but nowhere in particular.


How does God solve the problems of general relativity?

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:01 pm 
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I have read the general theory of relativity as well as the special theory, however, I must admit that some of those concepts presented are hard for me to grasp. Nevertheless, I am confident that God has understood all truth well before you and I were born.


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