I'm not interested in what the scriptures say, I'm interested in what you think.

I believe in what the prophets and scriptures teach, and that is one of those teachings.

You see I don't think you do.
The Prophets taught that black people will only be servants in heaven - do you believe that?

No, I don't believe that they will ONLY be servants any more than I believe that the prophet Nathan was correct when he told king David to build the temple. I refer you to my original post here entitled "Prophets and Apostles not Perfect." Once the prophets Brigham Young stated something like this: Brigham Young spoke to you this morning, but the Lord will speak to you this afternoon.

So, in reality, you believe what Prophets preach and teach only as far as they are consistent with your own views, opinions and beliefs. That's the point I'm making. Your testimony is a belief in yourself not in the Church.

Not really, as far as many things are concerned, one needs to weigh the positive against the negative, and after doing this for many years, I find, in my opinion, that the church is what is claims to be, the restored church of Jesus Christ.

gd, do you believe everything the Prophets of the Church have taught?

No, you should read my post about that.

And who determines what teachings from the Prophets that you believe?

Ultimately, I do.

Exactly.
You don't follow the Prophet, you follow you.

No, generally I follow the prophet. The only exception might be in the unexpected unlikelihood of the prophet asking, for example, for all the saints to kill themselves, or something else absurd.

And who would determine something absurd?
That's right...you would...

You only follow the Prophet in as much as he agrees with you.

Ok, this is why you are mistaken. You need to understand that 'unto' is an obsolete term meaning usually 'to' and not 'by'. These begotten sons and daughters (by celestial parents who are not god) are given 'to' God and placed on worlds. Now, I do realize this is ambiguous and could mean 'by', but you are basing your false doctrine on apparently one word in the D&C and a number of the brethren (and members) who also got it wrong. I understand where you got it from, but I'm telling you it is patently absurd if you sit down and think about it for 2 seconds.

this is so disingenuous...even for you.
First, it is abundantly clear that this is not what the Church, prophets, or Scriptures teach.
Second, though the curse of Ham is not exclusive to the mormon church, it must be recognized that you are way off the reasonable base here.
Your logic is absurd, as usual.

One can easily state that they believe in America and its leaders...
But it was also "taught" by American presidents, senators, and school teachers that blacks were inferior and should not be allowed to use the same drinking fountain as others....and that Irish and Chinese were going to ruin our way of life....
This does not mean that one "believes" that today.

For as you are so blissfully unaware of what is taught by the Church:
President Gordon B. Hinckley :
"Now I am told that racial slurs and denigrating remarks are sometimes heard among us. I remind you that no man who makes disparaging remarks concerning those of another race can consider himself a true disciple of Christ. Nor can he consider himself to be in harmony with the teachings of the Church of Christ...Throughout my service as a member of the First Presidency, I have recognized and spoken a number of times on the diversity we see in our society. It is all about us, and we must make an effort to accommodate that diversity. Let us all recognize that each of us is a son or daughter of our Father in Heaven, who loves all of His children. Brethren, there is no basis for racial hatred among the priesthood of this Church. If any within the sound of my voice is inclined to indulge in this, then let him go before the Lord and ask for forgiveness and be no more involved in such."

No person will be judged by the fallible ideas or policies of men; "the keeper of the gate is the Holy One of Israel, and he employeth no servant there
(2 Nephi 9:41).

I honestly believe you ignore the Church today because you prefer the Church of 1950 or 1900 - which if you lived in that era your opinions would be vastly different than what they are today.....but still likely inadequate.

Once again, we see the cursory and rather inadequate understanding of faith, religion, and the teachings of the Prophet.
The teachings of the Prophet are not followed blindly my dear friend...they are confirmed by the Spirit, not by one's self.
I realize that people such as yourself can not fathom anything beyond the self, so this point is likely lost on you.

However, it is only fair to note that, once again, you are wrong about what you speak.

No need to bump.
I answered you earlier in the thread like this:

and we see that you have actually not responded...as usual

BUMP

"if you actually have a solid reference that details the "method" of mary's conception"
http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/vie ... 19#p577319

Good point Subgenious! Why Sub? Yes, we are not left alone to depend solely upon our own judgment, we also have the Spirit and the light of Christ to help us. So, if the prophet told us all to kill ourselves, unlike many of the followers of James Jones, we should be able to tell that something was wrong, especially with those helps.