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 Post subject: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:39 am 
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...am I correct in stating that:

1. Men can be sealed to more than one woman. So if a wife dies a man can remarry and be sealed in the Temple to the second wife without cancellation of the sealing to the first wife. And if a divorce happens, the man can be sealed to his second wife without cancellation of the sealing to his now ex-wife. All of which means in the next life Polygamy will be seen as an acceptable form of marriage.

2. Women cannot be sealed to more than one man. Except those women whom Joseph and Brigham married who were already married.

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:45 am 
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Drifting wrote:
...am I correct in stating that:

1. Men can be sealed to more than one woman. So if a wife dies a man can remarry and be sealed in the Temple to the second wife without cancellation of the sealing to the first wife. And if a divorce happens, the man can be sealed to his second wife without cancellation of the sealing to his now ex-wife. All of which means in the next life Polygamy will be seen as an acceptable form of marriage.

2. Women cannot be sealed to more than one man. Except those women whom Joseph and Brigham married who were already married.


Yes that is correct. The doctrine of polygamy has never been abandoned. It is even as you brought up practiced in a certain way today. The church has a policy not to undo a sealing to women that is divorced until they remarry in the temple. The more you think about it, the more it becomes apparent this was not coming from some God.

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:00 am 
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From Official Declaration Number 1.
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I, therefore, as President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.
Wilford Woodruff
President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890


But was the President of the Church telling the truth?
It seems not...

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Just as the practice of plural marriage among the Latter-day Saints began gradually, the ending of the practice after the Manifesto was also gradual. Some plural marriages were performed after the Manifesto, particularly in Mexico and Canada. In 1904, President Joseph F. Smith called for a vote from the Church membership that all post-Manifesto plural marriages be prohibited worldwide.
LDS.org 'Polygamy (Plural Marriage)'


And now, as Themis has pointed out.
Polygamy is alive and well and being lived by Latter Day Saints today.

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:31 pm 
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Number 1 is correct. Number 2 used to be correct but since about 1997 is no longer correct. Deceased women can be sealed to all husbands to who they were ever legally married.


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:59 pm 
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The "Sealing Ordinance" is not Polygamy.

It may be Plural Marriage, but it's not Polygamy.
Polygamy has a specific definition, behaviors, actions etc. that a simple Sealing Ordinance doesn't meet.

Of course, what's new with anti-mormons.

BTW, I could be wrong, but I think #1 has also changed now?
I've talked to a couple of Bishop's, because of my own marriage/divorce, and I believe they've said this? But, to be honest, I can't remember, wasn't paying attention too much. Too much else been dealing with.


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:16 pm 
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ldsfaqs wrote:
The "Sealing Ordinance" is not Polygamy.

It may be Plural Marriage, but it's not Polygamy.


Lol:

"Polygamy (Plural Marriage)...God, through His prophets, has directed the practice of plural marriage (sometimes called polygamy), which means one man having more than one living wife at the same time." - http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?locale=0&sourceId=9887ec6f164b2110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:15 pm 
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The important matter, as far as the law of the land is concerned, there are no members in good standing with the church of Jesus Christ of LDS who are actively and intimately engaged in the practice of polygamy in this life. I think that the government could hardly care less about our temple sealings involving the afterlife.


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:36 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
The important matter, as far as the law of the land is concerned, there are no members in good standing with the church of Jesus Christ of LDS who are actively and intimately engaged in the practice of polygamy in this life. I think that the government could hardly care less about our temple sealings involving the afterlife.


Does a man being sealed to two women who are both alive count as Polygamy?

Does a man being to two women, one of whom s dead, count as polygamy?

Are you willing to have more than one wife either in this life or the next if the Prophet says God commands it?

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:19 pm 
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Yes, technically those could be termed polygamous or plural marriages, but as I stated before, I don't believe that the government would care as long as there weren't more than one marriage which was intimate. For example (even though I'm sure that the church would not allow me to do it), if I married one wife whom I were intimate with, and I were sealed to another for the afterlife only, I don't believe that that would be something that the government would, or should, harass me about. In answer to your last question, yes! I would hope that the Lord would command me to have many wives! I wouldn't have a problem with that at all!


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:03 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
In answer to your last question, yes! I would hope that the Lord would command me to have many wives! I wouldn't have a problem with that at all!


You're not married, right? If you are, ask your wife how she feels about you having many wives, either now or in the afterlife.

I'll wait until you've asked her. Good luck with that.

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:16 pm 
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Yes, I am married. and my wife and I are both converts to the church. As might be expected, at first she was repulsed by the idea, however, when I expounded Isaiah 4:1 to her (the last verse in chapter 3 of the JST), D&C 132, as well as many other scriptures and discourses, etc., she seems to be finally coming around. When a person is ready to progress to that state, especially referring to exaltation, they must be stripped of all envy and pride. If they are not, then they are not ready.


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:37 pm 
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Zelder wrote:
Number 1 is correct. Number 2 used to be correct but since about 1997 is no longer correct. Deceased women can be sealed to all husbands to who they were ever legally married.

Zelder has it right.

Both living and deceased men may be sealed to more than one woman. In the case of living men, death of or divorce from the first wife must apply.

Only deceased women may be sealed to more than one man (and I think the men she's being sealed to have to be deceased, too).

I knew an LDS family where both husband and wife had married young in the temple and lost their first spouses to tragedy in their 20s. When they married each other, it had to be "for time" since the woman could not be sealed to both her deceased spouse and her new one. The children they had together were considered to be sealed to their mother and her deceased first husband rather than their father, which distressed them when they first learned of it.

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:42 pm 
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ldsfaqs wrote:
I've talked to a couple of Bishop's, because of my own marriage/divorce, and I believe they've said this? But, to be honest, I can't remember, wasn't paying attention too much. Too much else been dealing with.


So, were you sealed to your first wife? Do you have children with the first wife? Same questions for the second (or is there a second)?


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:43 pm 
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MsJack wrote:
The children they had together were considered to be sealed to their mother and her deceased first husband rather than their father, which distressed them when they first learned of it.
"Families are forever."


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:52 pm 
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One thing which should be kept in mind is this; the Holy Spirit will not ratify any sealing which is inappropriate, for whatever reason. So, as my some of my dear departed relatives would say; it will all come out in the wash.


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:02 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
One thing which should be kept in mind is this; the Holy Spirit will not ratify any sealing which is inappropriate, for whatever reason. So, as my some of my dear departed relatives would say; it will all come out in the wash.


And hence the shotgun approach, of seal em to everybody, just in case makes perfect sense.


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:18 am 
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MsJack wrote:
Zelder wrote:
Number 1 is correct. Number 2 used to be correct but since about 1997 is no longer correct. Deceased women can be sealed to all husbands to who they were ever legally married.

Zelder has it right.

Both living and deceased men may be sealed to more than one woman. In the case of living men, death of or divorce from the first wife must apply.

Only deceased women may be sealed to more than one man (and I think the men she's being sealed to have to be deceased, too).

I knew an LDS family where both husband and wife had married young in the temple and lost their first spouses to tragedy in their 20s. When they married each other, it had to be "for time" since the woman could not be sealed to both her deceased spouse and her new one. The children they had together were considered to be sealed to their mother and her deceased first husband rather than their father, which distressed them when they first learned of it.

"Families are forever."


Mormon doctrine is confusing.
Hmmm... a bunch the blokes in the CK find out that the woman they are sealed has decided to take on a few extra Eternal husbands without their permission.
That's gonna be awkward.

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:10 pm 
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RockSlider wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:
I've talked to a couple of Bishop's, because of my own marriage/divorce, and I believe they've said this? But, to be honest, I can't remember, wasn't paying attention too much. Too much else been dealing with.


So, were you sealed to your first wife? Do you have children with the first wife? Same questions for the second (or is there a second)?



Bump for ldsfaq ... well you answered the currently single with the tax return.

So kids, married previously in the temple?


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:19 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
Yes, I am married. and my wife and I are both converts to the church. As might be expected, at first she was repulsed by the idea, however, when I expounded Isaiah 4:1 to her (the last verse in chapter 3 of the JST), D&C 132, as well as many other scriptures and discourses, etc., she seems to be finally coming around. When a person is ready to progress to that state, especially referring to exaltation, they must be stripped of all envy and pride. If they are not, then they are not ready.


I misjudged you. I thought your talk of plural marriage was just talk. But why on earth do you feel you need to prepare your wife for polygamy? Do you have some inside information that the church is getting set to bring it back? Or are you just hoping?

You say your wife was first repulsed by the idea of polygamy. I say, "Pay attention to first impressions." I remarried after the death of my first wife. Maybe it is the kind of woman that I'm attracted to but if polygamy existed and my two wives were to share the house I would be dead meat. The only thing they would see eye to eye on would be about which spices to sprinkle on my burning corpse.

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:23 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
Yes, technically those could be termed polygamous or plural marriages, but as I stated before, I don't believe that the government would care as long as there weren't more than one marriage which was intimate. For example (even though I'm sure that the church would not allow me to do it), if I married one wife whom I were intimate with, and I were sealed to another for the afterlife only, I don't believe that that would be something that the government would, or should, harass me about. In answer to your last question, yes! I would hope that the Lord would command me to have many wives! I wouldn't have a problem with that at all!


How about if your wife decided to be sealed to several men (some of them Lamanites), still comfortable?

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Marriages...
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:04 pm 
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Nope, that's not part of the gospel plan.


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