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'Mormon's aren't Christian' says the Prophet, Wow...who knew...

You are misquoting him. He perhaps said the "traditional Christ," or as I mentioned the 3 in 1 version.

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The bible tells us that in the last days there will be a group of 144 thousand men chosen from the twelve tribes of Israel (Rev 7:4).

The bible tells us many thing. Some of them sound great and say nothing. Some of them are simple human stupidity. Take Your pick for every verse!

There is none. Not even a single piece of evidence.

There are, however, thousands of cranks on the internet willing to tell you that there is.

I talked nothing of history. History is mostly modified revisions of events as told by the winner. Most notable is how the history of women or the favorable characteristics of the losing groups are deleted.

You attempt, but not quite genuinely, to pass off your ridicule with a summary conclusion about what history is, or isn't.

Once again, I was not talking about history. Instead I talk about doing actual, on site, down and dirty, digging and classifying of materials. The drawing of conclusions, the writing of histories, is work I leave for others to do. But I remember the utter thrill of digging and finding a tiny, seven tile, piece of a large Roman mosaic in the coast town of Side, close to modern Manavgat, Turkey.

I stood watching a small group of Egyptian workers dig out one of the hundreds of small, dog-sized, sphinxes that line the royal approach into the Ramses temples in Karnak, Egypt. I was so excited I forgot to film the event and only snapped a shot as one of the bossmen raised his stick to hit one of the workers.

None of this is history. But it is the stuff that history manages to gloss over when trying to tell a bigger, less factual, story. The photos are only reminders to give flashes of momentary joy in reflection. I am neither scholar nor expert, just a happy amateur. I am of the opinion that there is great value in experiencing things first hand.

I asked my question in regards to your travel experiences to find out if you have actually travelled to the lands of the Sinai or Israel for actual insights or whether you base your opinions from reading only. My question still stands. Answer at your leisure.

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Yes, as I stated, "the traditional Christ." We do not believe in Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, or the "traditional" 3 in 1 Christ of apostate Christendom.

So Mormon's aren't Christians. I knew it....

Of course, we are. We believe in the REAL Christ, and not the TRADITIONAL one.

But...but...but...So...Christians aren't Christians then...?

As Mormon's believe in a different Christ then the people we currently refer to as Christians and the people we refer to as Mormon's cannot both be classed as 'Christians'.

I would not say that. Some of them are always saying that Mormons are not Christians even though we believe in Christ, but I would not say that about them because I know that they do believe in Christ.

You mean the apocalyptic preacher who abandoned his family on a quixotic crusade to establish himself as the Jewish messiah, even though he didn't match any of the prophesies for the Messiah, and who got himself killed in the process? That real Christ?

"Didn't match any of the prophesies." Have you ever read the Bible?! There are hundreds of Old Testament prophesies that He fulfilled!

Like what?

Not a single piece of evidence?
now you may argue what the cause was, but there is plenty of evidence that can reasonably support that it occurred.
Awww...just for fun, lets ruffle your feathers.

the oxygen isotope ratios of the foraminifera shells, pulled from the Gulf of Mexico, show a marked temporary decrease in the salinity of the waters of the Gulf of Mexico. It clearly shows that there was a major period of flooding.

a flood poured ten cubic miles of water a day from the Mediterranean Sea into the Black Sea, abruptly turning the formerly freshwater lake into a brackish inland sea.

Extensive Strata and Pancake Layering and the influence exhibited by Mt St Helen eruption.

There is a worldwide tradition among a variety of people and religions of a global flood.

current archaeological evidence supports that civilization originated in the Ararat/Babylon region

the world's folded beds of sediment have no compression fractures, indicating that they were contorted while they were still wet and soft. For this to occur on a global scale, and on sediment thousands of feet thick, would require a catastrophic global flood.

All types of rocks (eg limestone, shale, granite, etc) occur in all geologic 'ages'. This indicates a common formation on a global scale - the situation that would have been created by the mixing of sediment in a global flood.

Globally, there is an almost complete absence of any evidence of animal and plant root activity within the tiny layers of sediment. Slowly deposited layers should show this activity, flood deposits wouldn't.

There is no correlation between radiometric 'ages' and assumed paleontology 'age'

Considering how fossils are known to be created and the worldwide distribution of most of the fossil types, transportation on a global scale by a global flood is the only reasonable conclusion.

Mountain-high water level marks found throughout the world

Meteorites are basically absent from the geologic column

Problematica

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and even more cranks willing to tell you that there is not.

Hmmm...a worldwide flood covering the whole earth in a matter of 40 days...how does a mountain completely submerged in a flash flood gain a 'water level mark'?

Read the study carefully. Yes, the foraminifera note a decrease in salinity, about 11,600 years ago! Check it yourself. That doesn't say anything about a global flood, but it does indicate that salinity would drop from melting glaciers AT THE END OF THE LAST ICE AGE.



About 7,000 years ago the Mediterranean Sea swelled. Seawater pushed northward, slicing through what is now Turkey.
Funneled through the narrow Bosporus, the water hit the Black Sea with 200 times the force of Niagara Falls. Each day the Black Sea rose about six inches (15 centimeters), and coastal farms were flooded. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/black ... frame.html

If you want the global flood to be responsible for the Black Seas salinity, you will need to adjust the dates.


Huh? What does St. Helens have to do with the global flood?



Yes, but that isn't science.



Isn't this a typical kind of statement found on "wiki.answers.com" or "answers.yahoo.com"? Or grade 7 Socials textbooks?



The first part of this statement is blatantly false. Check out a fairly standard text, "Sedimentary Rocks in the Field, A Colour Guide" by Dorrik A.V. Stow; pages 61-73. The picture on page 73 is especially neat. Nice colour pictures, too.

The second part of your statement is merely supposition.



All geologic "ages"? If there was a global flood, just which ages are you referring to? You can't have it both ways. Check out the terms for geologic ages at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_time_scale

When you get down to periods of time in geochronology, "age" means millions of years.



Absence of animal and plant "activity" in sediment layers? Would you care to back this up? Do fossils in shale deposits count? Check out the "Encyclopedia of Sediments and Sedimentary Rocks" by Gerrard V. Middleton



You can start by reading "Cosmochemistry" By Harry Y. McSween, Gary R. Huss. (but it's a thick book, over 500 pages) Check out the section on Basic Principles of Radiometric Age Dating.



Now you're just being ridiculous. A global flood would deposit skeletal remains willy-nilly, with absolutely no stratification differences at all. Check out the principle of superposition and how it applies to fossils.



You mean like a bathtub ring around all the world's mountains? I've seen the water level plateau around Salt Lake Valley. From when the Great Salt Lake was really great. But you'd be hard pressed to show any similar "high water level marks" anywhere else. Show me.


What does "basically absent" mean? On a scale of 1 to 10, how absent are they? Who was it who said, "absence of evidence doesn't mean evidence of absence"?

I think most of the stories are just about great floods which happen. They still happen today.



This made me laugh. Does he even know what meteorites are. I wonder if he can explain what he means by meteorites are basically absent from the geologic column?

Like what? How about these?!

"they pierced my hands and feet" Psalms 22:16

"in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink" Psalms 69:21

"To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners" Isaiah 42:7

"I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks" Isaiah 50:6

"He was wounded for our transgressions" Isaiah 53:5

"I will open your graves" Ezekiel 37:12

"Bethlehem...out of thee shall He come forth unto me" Micah 5:2

"thy King cometh unto thee...riding upon an ass" Zechariah 9:9

"I was prised at thirty pieces of silver" Zechariah 11:13

"Lord, whom ye seek shall suddenly come to His temple" Malachi 3:1

When were these words written?

All were written before Christ was born.