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 Post subject: Re: Offended by a Testimony
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:27 pm 
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ldsfaqs wrote:
Manuals "contain" Doctrine, and go through correlation the best of their ability to include doctrine AND teachings which are relevant to the doctrines taught.


Manuals are published by the Church. If it is in the manual it is doctrine. Really you want to argue that what the Church publishes under its name and has taught to it members in church on Sunday is not official doctrine? How specious is that?


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Manuals have never ONLY been every word "doctrine".
You misrepresent mormonism and BCspace.


Ask BC. He says if the Church publishes it, it is official doctrine. You ask him if I misrepresent him. Because guess what? I don't.


And look dude, I am LDS still. I know as much if not more about the Church than you do. And I was a hobby apologist for some time as well. I know the games you are playing. I did them myself. They are dishonest. So rant away like you do. I am not buying it from you one bit.

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Not only that, even the Scriptures themselves are not doctrine.

They contain doctrine, and also are not infallible.


Really now? Who teaches this? Can you provide me some reference of someone with a bit more clout then you?

Does the LDS Church have any doctrine?

Wow, this is new. The scripture are not doctrine? Tell that to Joseph Fielding and Harold B Lee who both said that the scriptures are the bar to measure our doctrine by.

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Mormonism has never believed in infallible and doctrine only documents, and neither does BCspace.


And now you are putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about infallible doctrine. I just said the doctrine that exalted beings create and people planets has been taught in LDS publications and thus that makes it official doctrine.


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 Post subject: Re: Offended by a Testimony
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:32 pm 
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ldsfaqs,

I'm not picking on you. I actually agree with you somewhat. I don't believe Mormons can become God or have their own worlds and it is NOT a true doctrine of the Church. The only place I'll differ with you is that it has been taught in the past by prophets and members (many still do teach it) of the Church. And in as much as they taught it, it is/was false doctrine. Now, I know you aren't willing to admit that because you believe prophets can't teach false doctrine. I believe since they are fallible men, they certainly can and often do. So, how do I know when a prophet speaks if what they are saying is from God or not? Easy. Just ask God. That's all that Mormons should do anyway.


So how did they get this one so wrong for so long(from Joseh to today), and yet Tobin claims he has asked God. Did they forget to? Your posts also indicate to me that you only had one expereince in which you think you saw God, but it seems unlikely he would give this information when you think he had a totally different purpose in his visit. :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Offended by a Testimony
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:44 pm 
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ldsfaqs wrote:
Buffalo....

Mormons already know there are teachings and ideas in LDS manuals which are not directly or specifically doctrine.

You say nothing we haven't already addressed. It is YOU who are the liar.


Nah you are lying. The Mormons I know actually believe that what the Church puts in their manuals and teaches them on Sunday is the doctrine of the Church. They would be amazed to hear such nonsense. This is the worst of apologetics.


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 Post subject: Re: Offended by a Testimony
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:06 am 
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Jason Bourne wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:
Buffalo....

Mormons already know there are teachings and ideas in LDS manuals which are not directly or specifically doctrine.

You say nothing we haven't already addressed. It is YOU who are the liar.


Nah you are lying. The Mormons I know actually believe that what the Church puts in their manuals and teaches them on Sunday is the doctrine of the Church. They would be amazed to hear such nonsense. This is the worst of apologetics.


Tell me that again when you ask them if a Prophet out of the "Teaching of the Prophets" manuals quotes some philosopher to make some point that that quote IS actual doctrine.

THEY WILL NOT CLAIM IT IS!!!!

Stop being a predictable idiot. Oh, and as to your "qualifications"..... I'm WAY above you. I spent years in multiple religions and no religion, and I converted to the Church because it was the only one that fit. Then in my early twenty's I became an anti-mormon and anti-religion.

You don't know SQUAT compared to me and what Mormonism is and isn't. I know YOUR anti-mormon perversions of the truth better than the back of my hand.

Educated Mormons know the difference between an opinion and actual doctrine in manuals.
Doctrine only comes from the scriptures and official pronouncements of such. PERIOD!

Oh, and another thing.... Consig is also apparently an active Mormon, but I slam him just the same or all his anti-mormon views.

You are a wolf in sheeps clothing who perverts Mormonism. I know if for a fact. I've tested it from all sides. I know who the actual liar's and perverters of truth are.


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 Post subject: Re: Offended by a Testimony
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:45 pm 
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Jason Bourne wrote:
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Nah you are lying. The Mormons I know actually believe that what the Church puts in their manuals and teaches them on Sunday is the doctrine of the Church. They would be amazed to hear such nonsense. This is the worst of apologetics.


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Tell me that again when you ask them if a Prophet out of the "Teaching of the Prophets" manuals quotes some philosopher to make some point that that quote IS actual doctrine.


Wow that was a pretty narrow example was it not? My point is member in the pews believe the manuals are doctrine of the Church. Really they do.

Don't you understand how silly this makes apologists look when they argue what the Church prints and uses to teach its members with is not really official doctrine? Really? You want to argue that to the world with a straight face? Again, ask BC what he thinks about what the Church publishes and whether it is doctrine. He will agree with what I am saying. If not I will say you win.

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THEY WILL NOT CLAIM IT IS!!!!


Clam down dude. Don't blow a gasket. Life is short.

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Stop being a predictable idiot.


Now this is rich. When you are losing call names. You bet. :eek:


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Oh, and as to your "qualifications"..... I'm WAY above you. I spent years in multiple religions and no religion, and I converted to the Church because it was the only one that fit. Then in my early twenty's I became an anti-mormon and anti-religion.


Sounds like you are rather unstable rather than qualified.

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You don't know SQUAT compared to me and what Mormonism is and isn't. I know YOUR anti-mormon perversions of the truth better than the back of my hand.


I am just being overwhelmed with your compelling school yard arguments and taunts. :cool:
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Educated Mormons know the difference between an opinion and actual doctrine in manuals.
Doctrine only comes from the scriptures and official pronouncements of such. PERIOD!


BC at least disagrees with you. I would post a link on this where you could read all his comments on Mormon Dialogue and Discussions but the site is down. But go ahead Mr Mis-FAQs, Just ask him.

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Oh, and another thing.... Consig is also apparently an active Mormon, but I slam him just the same or all his anti-mormon views.


How did poor Consig get dragged into this. Take something to calm you down, please.

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You are a wolf in sheeps clothing who perverts Mormonism. I know if for a fact. I've tested it from all sides. I know who the actual liar's and perverters of truth are.


Hardly.


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 Post subject: Re: Offended by a Testimony
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:46 pm 
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I am starting to think ldsfaqs is a sockpuppet of bcspace to make himself look reasonable.



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 Post subject: Re: Offended by a Testimony
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:27 pm 
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If we all put faqs on ignore.... It would have the same end result as banning him.

I hereby propose that we all put faqs on ignore. All I'm favor say aye.

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 Post subject: Re: Offended by a Testimony
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:20 pm 
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SteelHead wrote:
If we all put faqs on ignore.... It would have the same end result as banning him.

I hereby propose that we all put faqs on ignore. All I'm favor say aye.


He's been there for weeks. That's why I have been pretty silent on this thread, I have no idea what he is saying.


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 Post subject: Re: Offended by a Testimony
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:29 pm 
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Aristotle Smith wrote:
SteelHead wrote:
If we all put faqs on ignore.... It would have the same end result as banning him.

I hereby propose that we all put faqs on ignore. All I'm favor say aye.


He's been there for weeks. That's why I have been pretty silent on this thread, I have no idea what he is saying.


He's not on my ignore. But I have no idea what he's saying, either.


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 Post subject: Re: Offended by a Testimony
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:29 pm 
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ldsfaqs wrote:
Manuals teach philosphy, math, etc. etc..... That doesn't make them doctrine.


I have many fond memories of learning about existentialism and algebra at church.

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