My son would NEVER be interested in a Mormon woman. However, he says that fat women appreciate him more.

Darrick, if these are the women who would be willing to give you a chance, would it make them more worthy or less worthy in your eyes.

Groucho Marx always joked that he would not belong to any organization willing to have him as a member.

Jeeze, Darrick, what is it with you and heavy girls? I mean, if you don't like them, don't date them. You don't need to make four threads per week complaining about them.

You're not into bigger girls. We get it.

One would wonder if he has a fat fetish.

I spent decades pulling fat women off the walls at dances and dance with them, to try to make them feel better about themselves. I have written UPTEEN letters to the First Presidency, asking them to start "fat farms" for overweight single Mormon women, so they would have a "chance" at finding a mate in this life.

But, they don't care.

Mormon men put "zero" value upon fat Mormon women. They don't exist. They are non-beings; just like the sexy Mormon women considered me a "non"-being, a Non-entity.

I actually "care" about overweight Mormon women! Other Mormon men did NOT in the least. And the First Presidency does not care about this, but only wants their tithing and wants them to work themselves to death at 5 Church callings and two full-time jobs for the rest of their lives.

But, because I CARE about them, does not mean I can "marry" one; because marriage usually includes sex.

Perhaps; perhaps not. Not sure but in the early 20 age group I would say that there is a 6 to 4 ratio or active girls to active guys. Call this Darwinian but in a monogamous society the idea might be that the men will mate and have kids but maybe the people who are unattractive or undesirable in some way will just have to wait until the next life to marry. Why put all these fat gals on a treadmill to get them all desirable if all that does is create a group of tight-body 30-something single women who still can't find a man in the church to date?

I know that you're trying to be somehow "nice" to girl who are heavy with comments like these, but you're really not.

At one level, I agree that some girls that are overweight could probably eliminate (or at least ameliorate) the problem through healthier eating habits and exercise. However, I am convinced more and more that, for a certain percentage of women, they are fat because of genetic factors that are completely beyond their control. Think about it: for most of human existence, it made sense for survival for people to deliberately overeat every chance they got. Back 10,000 years ago in Africa, people wouldn't know when their next meal was coming. So, the urge to overeat was bred into us through evolution, and now that calories are cheap and readily available (and the current fashion centers around being a size 2 or smaller), many women are overweight, sometimes because of genetic factors that they don't control or understand.

I also think that, given another 10-50 years, that obesity will grow to be seen as a treatable and ultimately curable medical condition. There are drugs in Europe in the testing phase that I have read about that can dramatically reduce a person's appetite and calorie intake without a significant change in other aspect of their lifestyle. As medical science improves, I am sure that these pills are likely to get better as well.

But, back to my original point. I won't pull any punches here. I am not particularly attracted to girls who are severely overweight (e.g. more than 50 pounds) either. In my case, it's not only the image of the perfect body that the media and porn have drilled into my head over the years that makes me not want to date heavy girls but the fact that I want to live a healthy lifestyle and I want a partner who can do that with me. I love biking, hiking, weight lifting, dancing, and being outdoors; and I ultimately want to date girls who also enjoy being active. I have been with girls before that lived a sedentary lifestyle -- including a girl that I semi-dated for about four months who was 300+ pounds and my ex-wife who, while skinny and pretty, was largely sedentary. In all cases, it was an issue in the relationship. But, at the same time, I don't create multiple threads complaining about how fat girls are. If I find a girl who wants to date me and I feel that she's not attractive, I move on.

I also don't think that girls from mainland China are that attractive, on average. I actually like Asian girls, but I like girls from Thailand, the Philippines, Japan, and Kore -- not Chinese typically. However, I've never felt compelled to make multiple threads on a message board complaining about how ugly I feel Chinese girls are. And, my only point in my OP was that, for your own sake, you should just go date other girls.

Question, if you were to compare the average build of a contemporary porn actress today to a typical "super model" wouldn't the porn girl have more meat on her bones then the model?

Muscle weighs more than fat.

Yes. However, both have significantly less meat on their bones than a lot of the girls I meet in my daily life.

See, when I think of a heavy girl, I think of a girl who has a body fat percentage over 35% or who weighs over 200 lbs or something. I've dated girls who have the voluptuous body type before and who are overweight according to Hollywood standards but whom I thought were absolutely gorgeous. If I had to guess, I would probably put those girls in the 150 - 170 range.

I guess one of the problems here is one of definition. What I consider attractive another person might consider fat.

Also, I find it funny that all of the guys on the board are carping so much over a girl's weight when many of them are probably overweight in real life themselves. I am probably 20-30 pounds overweight for a guy, so I would have absolutely no problem dating a girl who was 20-30 pounds overweight. However, I am not 100 or even 75 pounds overweight for a guy, so I don't want a girl who is that much overweight. Also, I have been actively working on losing weight since the first of the year (down 10 lbs so far), and I similarly want someone committed to a healthy lifestyle.

(Not that I've ever seen any porn or anything) but there isn't a ton of difference between the performers in high quality porn and the skeletons that grace the catwalks. Of course a few pounds for enhancements but porn stars are usually pretty skinny.

Or maybe they really are less self-centered
Or maybe they really are more altruistic
Or maybe they really are more humble

Or maybe they value their own integrity and their character more than they give a rock solid damn about what men like you think of them so they don't spend their heartbeats trying to compete with their slender sisters.

Get a grip, okay?

keithb


Please do not insult all of the good men on this forum. The only men I see "carping" so much over a girl's weight are you and Darrick.

FOOL,

If you ONLY knew! They're never gonna tell you fool. I just told you the TRUTH, which you call a lie, and you will call the lie...the Truth.

So, in other words, you feel that anyone who doesn't see the world exactly as you see it is lying?

Now who's the fool?

Daheshist


Nowhere on this board or on this thread, did I call anything you wrote anywhere on this board a lie.

So bite my ass, Daheshist.

Darrick, you have made a lot of sweeping generalizations with your thoughts here. It leads me to believe that you don't really have much respect for women, in general. Everything about your theories of how women act is tied into whether or not they are attractive to men. You leave no room open for women choosing to be giving, sweet, or helpful, simply because they want to be. You are also stating that the only reason women choose to do good things is in order to be attractive to men in some way. Therefore, skinny girls would never choose to be kind, loving, etc., because they don't need to be; they are already attractive to men.

The attractiveness to men is what the entire existence of women boils down to for you. You don't regard women as individuals...as people..as simply part of the human race, like yourself. You obvjectify them.

I feel sorry for you. That is a sad way to live.

I understand that you have been burned by women, but have you not every known at least one woman who did not fall into these stereotypes?

CFR

I actually haven't carped over a girl's weight at all, at least to my recollection. If I have, then I apologize.

I was trying to present a much more nuanced view of the whole weight issue. I have struggled with weight before in life, and I know many girls who have as well. Also, I have my personal preferences on whom I date (as does everyone else), and I was trying to explain those.

I think that there are some truly nice people, men and women, who are overweight. I wish them the best in life, and I hope that they find someone in life that makes them truly happy. My personal preference is not to date girls who are more than about 30 or so pounds overweight. Again, different people have different preferences.

keithb


How many women on this board actually give a damn what your personal preference is?

I dunno...let's take a vote.

Keith, for the record, I feel like you have explained yourself very well. I completely agree with, and understand your stance.

I was overweight for quite a few years, myself. I lost 100 pounds in a year, back in 1997, and, for thee most part, have kept it off. During a "suprise" pregnancy at 40 eight years ago, I put on about 30 pounds, but was able to get that off, and keep it off as well.

Your expression of preferences is what I would consider normal. I think that Darrick has some issues.